Why hasn't Barr recused himself?

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  1. Don W profile image83
    Don Wposted 5 months ago

    AG William Barr was implicated in the formal complaint submitted by a Whistleblower in the Intelligence Community (there are reports of a second whistleblower complaint , but I don't know if Barr is implicated in that complaint also). It's alleged he was instrumental in Trump's attempt to get a foreign leader to investigate the son of his political rival, in exchange for military aid.

    Good legal practise dictates that Barr, as someone implicated in the allegation, recuse himself from decisions relating to that allegation.The reasons that's good practise I hope are obvious.

    So when is Barr going to recuse himself, and why hasn't he already?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image90
      Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      He won't recuse himself as long as he can help defend Trump in some manner. He already believes Trump is above the law and do no wrong. A dangerous concept for a free countrylike ours.

      1. Don W profile image83
        Don Wposted 5 months agoin reply to this

        Then the House should be calling for his recusal.

        How can someone who is named in an allegation, also be the person who makes decisions about how the DoJ responds to those allegations? It's like asking a lawyer who has been accused of corruption to decide if the case against him should go to court. It's madness.

        1. DoubleScorpion profile image78
          DoubleScorpionposted 5 months agoin reply to this

          Doesn't this also describe Schiff and the whistleblower? How can someone preside over something if they are a fact witness?

          1. Don W profile image83
            Don Wposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            Schiff is not implicated in the complaint. Barr is. Just like Sessions was implicated in an allegation when he was AG. Whatever you think of Sessions, he did the right thing by recusing himself from the investigation. Barr should do the same.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

              The  WB statement was very vague. Seems one would need some form true complaint against Barr instead of ----- " appears to be involved as well".

              WB  complaint " the complaint reads. “This interference includes, among other things, pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President’s main domestic political rivals. The President’s personal lawyer, Mr. Rudolph Giuliani, is a central figure in this effort. Attorney General Barr appears to be involved as well.”

              In regards to Schiff he lied openly on TV...  Multiple times

              "The second lie is when Schiff said on national television that he and his committee had no prior contact with the whistleblower who filed a complaint about the phone call between Trump and the president of Ukraine that launched the impeachment inquiry.

              https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … tleblower/

              Even The Washington Post’s fact-checker called Schiff out on this, giving him four “Pinocchios” – the highest condemnation for a lie. The truth was that the whistleblower came to Schiff’s committee and then filed a complaint with the intelligence community’s inspector general.

              The truth should speak for itself. And the American people deserve it. We don’t need Adam Schiff’s spin and falsehoods."

              1. Don W profile image83
                Don Wposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                The allegation that Barr was a "central figure" in Trump's scheme, is more than enough to warrant his recusal. Until investigations into these allegations are concluded, Barr should not be the person who makes decisions about how the DoJ responds to any criminal or law enforcement matters that arise from those allegations.

                Regarding Shiff, he said he should have been clearer. I tend to agree with the Post that, at best, he was being less than frank (though four pinocchios is a bit harsh). Either way, the committee Schiff chairs has contact with people submitting such complaints all the time. The standard advice seems to be to consult a lawyer and refer to the local Inspector General. All publicly available information suggests that is exactly what this whistleblower was advised also. None of that has any relevance to the impeachment inquiry and the question of whether Barr should recuse himself.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

                  He lied, and he meant to lie. He has been caught lying time after time. During the Mueller investigation, he repeatedly lied about having information that he could ensure the viewers Trump committed collusion. His lies will catch up to him.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image90
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    Schiff could never catch up with the number of Trump's falsehoods. Are you saying you dislike liars, Shar?  tongue

                  2. Don W profile image83
                    Don Wposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    Allegations against Shiff are irrelevant to whether Barr should recuse himself. Barr has been described as a "central figure" in a whistleblower complaint being investigated as part of an impeachment inquiry. He is the head of a department that makes prosecutorial decisions, and which includes a law enforcement agency. Legal good practice dictates he recuse himself from decisions relating to this inquiry, or matters arising from it, due to the clear conflict of interest. So, as per the title of this thread, why hasn't he recused himself?

          2. Randy Godwin profile image90
            Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

            This is Fox line, DS. They kill me with all of the evidence they haven't seen yet. They describe Schiff in terrible terms without having a clue of what's going on behind doors.

            The past weeks of inquires are held behind closed doors just as Grand Juries are because there's no Special Investigator. Andy why not, you may ask? Because Barr won't appoint one. Another reason for him to recuse himself.

            1. DoubleScorpion profile image78
              DoubleScorpionposted 5 months agoin reply to this

              Schiff himself admitted to having contact with the whistleblower prior to...
              There was a special investigator...Mueller...so do we need another for this phone call, which had both the whistleblower report and transcript declassified and released?

              Schiff is doing some shady stuff, just based on what I see from the twitter accounts of various congress folks (including Schiff)...Just yesterday, more than a few congress folks were saying that Schiff was instructing the witness to not answer certain questions... but, since they are in private, content shouldn't be a factor, since leaks shouldn't be happening from a classified inquiry...correct? That is why they are doing this in private...due to classification concerned...correct? Although, I did hear Schiff say, he was doing it in private because he didn't want anyone to know what was happening, "to prevent witness tampering"..

              And just so you are aware...I don't watch the news...any channel or network...except the local news for weather and traffic in the am prior to leaving for work.

              1. promisem profile image97
                promisemposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                If Schiff does anything illegal, he should face the consequences with a lawsuit by the Republicans.

                Otherwise, none of us on either side of the issue can speculate what is happening behind closed doors.

                We'll see the evidence soon with the impeachment inquiry and the impeachment vote.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                  "We'll see the evidence soon with the impeachment inquiry and the impeachment vote."

                  How so?  There isn't a chance that we the people will ever see all that went on behind the closed doors, and we already know that Democrats are going to vote in virtual lockstep along party lines, as will Republicans, on the impeachment vote.  And you call this "evidence"?  Evidence of American politics at work, maybe, but certainly not evidence of a crime (unless the failure to have any ethical standards is a crime).

                  1. promisem profile image97
                    promisemposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    Obvious. Republicans can blab all they want to the public. They do it already.

                    Show me a law that says Democrats can talk to the public and Republicans can't.

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image90
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    People never get to see all that goes on in a Grand Jury, Dan. That's why Barr doesn't want to release the unredacted Mueller GJ transcripts.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 5 months agoin reply to this

                  I will be investing in popcorn. Do you think it would be smarter to replace Adam Schiff before the open inquiry starts? It seems that there is already speculation on his ability to be non-bias. Just speaking with friends, I can see he has been labeled bias as well as not being "friends" with the truth

                  it well appears he lied about when he was first aware of the whistleblower, and the fact the WB had contact with his office long before the complaint was reported.

                  Just seems it would be wise for him to recuse himself.

                  "The Washington Post’s fact-checker called Schiff out on this, giving him four “Pinocchios” – the highest condemnation for a lie. The truth was that the whistleblower came to Schiff’s committee and then filed a complaint with the intelligence community’s inspector general.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image90
                    Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                    It's hilarious to see a Trump fan indignant when they accuse one of his antagonists of not telling the truth. lol

              2. Randy Godwin profile image90
                Randy Godwinposted 5 months agoin reply to this

                For not watching any news you're parroting Hannity and Limbaugh well. So where do you get your facts if you don't watch any news sources?

                You apparently don't understand the process either.

  2. Randy Godwin profile image90
    Randy Godwinposted 5 months ago

    I wonder if there's a reason the House hasn't demanded his recusal? Nancy may have something up her sleeve....

    1. Don W profile image83
      Don Wposted 5 months agoin reply to this

      I wonder.

      The legal profession is taking notice though. The NY Bar Association is calling for Barr's recusal:

      "The United States Department of Justice (DOJ) has a unique role in safeguarding the rule of law under the Constitution.  By failing to recuse himself from DOJ’s review of the Ukraine Matter, Attorney General William P. Barr has undermined that role. To help remedy that failure, the New York City Bar Association urges that Mr. Barr recuse himself from any ongoing or future review by DOJ of Ukraine-related issues in which Mr. Barr is allegedly involved. If he fails to do so, he should resign or, failing that, be subject to sanctions, including possible removal, by Congress."

      https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … e-dealings

      That seems pretty clear to me.

  3. Randy Godwin profile image90
    Randy Godwinposted 5 months ago

    Hmmmm. Trump's GOP support drops 13% since July according to one poll. This comes out to average 1 in 4 Republicans changing their support for the cretin. Watch this snowball when everything comes out in the Impeachment hearings.

 
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