Excerpt from an article from "Electoral Vote".
Here is the link- rightwingers are hereby warned that the contents are not for the faint of heart
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2020/ … Jul23.html
" Nevertheless, the parties disagree on a number of key things as well, besides the amount of money to appropriate. Republicans want to shield business from liability associated with COVID-19. For example, if an employer tells his employees to show up for work or be fired and doesn't provide PPE, social distancing, or other tools for staying healthy and an employee gets sick as a result, Democrats want to allow the employee to sue the employer and Republicans want to prohibit that."
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Just an excerpt from an article. I remember McConnell having a virtual erection, sorry, wanting to indemnify employers against employees who could take legal action when employers had not taken any effort to meet standards of safety in their workplaces in the COVID-19 environment. So, the employees are to take all of the risks without any recourse? But, I never heard anything from him requiring employers to provide safe workplaces to minimize the risks of infection. McConnell has been adamant about this.
But that is what Republicans always do, as America's version of the House of Lords, it is pretty obvious who they are most interested in sustaining.
The treasury cannot indefinitely support CARES Act levels for providing unemployment relief. So if people are going to be compelled to return to work, perhaps OSHA should get involved to make sure that employers are not taking a "business as usual" attitude, not making the appropriate adjustments within post pandemic America.
Both sides needs be considered here, and it is only the Democrats, see excerpt, that demand that precautions are taken to protect workers before anyone can be indemnified.
Whatever the topic is under the sun, Republicans continue to give me cause to distrust them and their motives.
You should look a little deeper into the blurbs you quote Cred.
A deeper look into McDonnel and the Republican's problems with this issue bring out this point:
"“We’re not interested in protecting bad actors, which is why we’re not looking for a blanket liability shield,” said Linda Kelly, general counsel for the National Association for Manufacturers. “We’re asking for a heightened standard to apply before liability would apply.”"
In other words, neither McDonnell nor the Republicans want an impenetrable liability shield for businesses, they only want a fair consideration of business efforts.
Under the Democrat umbrella, a business could do everything possible to mitigate virus exposure and still be held liable for any contagion case under any circumstances—such as a customer spitting on a table before an employee could get to it to sanitize it, and the business would be liable.
Is that the scenario of responsibility your quoted blurb supports? It is the scenario McDonnell and the Republicans want to guard against.
The business owners that your blurb describes are exactly the bad actors that the Republican position of liability would not protect.
Geesh bud, you need to look into this stuff before accepting it as truth and proof of your distrust of the Republican party.
When your blurb is researched it turns out to be no more than inaccurate slander, yet you post it as support for your position.
An online tally collected by law firm Hunton Andrews Kurth shows that, as of Wednesday, more than 2,840 coronavirus-related complaints have been filed since Jan. 30. The majority of those lawsuits have been brought by businesses over insurance coverage, while hundreds were filed by prisoners. Roughly 50 cases were brought due to claims of a lack of personal protective equipment, exposure to Covid-19 at work, wrongful death or personal injury."
Check out the CNBC source of my blurbs for a more complete picture, or even better, take a look at the Google search results. Your blurbs are purposely misleading.
Confirmation bias Cred. You are falling for confirmation bias clickbait.
GA
GA, I am not speaking about Linda Kelly. McConnell has made this point of indemnification for a least a couple of months, and that can be shown by any number of sources. So, I did hear this from him. After all he is Senate Majority Leader, can I rely on him to represent the GOP message overall?
The CNBC article just supports what I have been saying about the GOP. I am fully aware of the threat of endless litigation and risks taken on behalf of small business and employers.
My position here is that frivolous lawsuits can be avoided as long as it is certified that the business has fully taken into account safety and has structured his or her establishment accordingly. I am concerned about the businesses as bad actors not doing their part yet still want to insist on the benefits of indemnification.
I not giving any one the benefit of the doubt , both sides and concerns needs to addressed or there is no deal. The Republicans just say open, while the Democrats say open with caution and consideration.
So, as a conservative, you might consider my points as slander, but that is not how I see it.
You are really making me work on this one Cred. You spoke of " McConnell has made this point of indemnification for a least a couple of months, and that can be shown by any number of sources. So, I did hear this from him. " so I went looking for his own statements.
7/21, from the Senate floor:
"As I have said for months, the next recovery package will include strong legal protections for the healthcare workers who saved strangers’ lives and the schools, colleges, charities, and businesses that want to reopen.
“The American people will not see their historic recovery efforts gobbled up by trial lawyers who are itching to follow this pandemic with a second epidemic of frivolous lawsuits.
“Gross negligence will still be actionable, but we’re creating a safe harbor for institutions that make a good-faith effort to follow the guidelines available to them.
“Doctors and nurses clearly deserve this protection. And school districts, universities, nonprofits, and small businesses will need it, too, if we want any genuine reopening at all."
Source:McConnell Press release
6/30, from the Senate floor:
"“One helpful policy would be strong legal protection for the schools, colleges, nonprofits, and employers that are putting their necks on the line to reopen.
So long as institutions follow the best available guidelines, they should not have to live in fear of a second epidemic of frivolous lawsuits. The virus is worry enough."
Source:McConnellpress release
6/29, from the Senate floor:
"“As I’ve been saying for weeks, a number of us are putting together strong legal protections for healthcare professionals, K-12 schools, colleges and universities, and employers so our recovery is not promptly swamped by a second epidemic of frivolous lawsuits."
Source: McConnell press release
A few other sources of McConnell statements:
"MITCH MCCONNELL: I want to make sure that we protect the people we've already sent assistance to who are going to be set up for an avalanche of lawsuits if we don't act."
"MCCONNELL: What I'm saying is we have a red line on liability. It won't pass the Senate without it."
Source: NPR.org
From the Washington Post:
"McConnell has consistently said the next bill will include liability protections for businesses, health-care providers, universities and schools. He offered a time period for these protections on Monday, saying he envisioned a “narrowly crafted liability protection” for activities related to the novel coronavirus that would kick in December 2019 and last through 2024.
“Unless you’re grossly negligent or intentionally engaged in harmful behavior, you shouldn’t have to be penalized by getting sued on top of everything else, so that’ll be in there, I guarantee it,” McConnell said."
Source: Washington Post
"McConnell told reporters, “We are working on a narrowly crafted liability protection” bill and that “It will not protect somebody from gross negligence.”
Source: Reuters
And then there are the business organizations that are lobbying for this protection, (McConnell supporters that he listens to):
“We’re not interested in protecting bad actors, which is why we’re not looking for a blanket liability shield,” said Linda Kelly, general counsel for the National Association for Manufacturers. “We’re asking for a heightened standard to apply before liability would apply.”
There is more but I will stop here and ask; "Where are you hearing 'from the horse's mouth', as you say, that McConnell is seeking blanket-type immunity?
What authority or support did the article you quote as prompting you to "remember McConnell having a virtual erection, sorry, wanting to indemnify employers against employees who could take legal action when employers had not taken any effort to meet standards of safety in their workplaces in the COVID-19 environment," have or supply?
Every source I found that actually spoke to McConnell's words, (even the anti-Republican sources that included actual quotes), included both McConnell, and supporting actors, qualifying that "bad actors" and instances of "gross negligence" would not be covered by the proposed limited immunity plan.
However, I did find several sources that I think might be on your preferred reading list that say exactly what you are saying—except they don't support their claims with actual quotes, but with just their partisan interpretations:
Mitch McConnell Insists On Liability Protections For Businesses During The Pandemic - A misleading NPR headline
A New YorkTimes headline:
The Brutal Clarity of the Trump-McConnell Plan to Protect Businesses - this one actually uses McConnell quotes that refute the implication of the headline
A Slate headline:
Trump and McConnell’s COVID-19 Liability Protections Are Completely Unnecessary - I was surprised that this one was as mild as it seems but by my reading, its only validation is the claim that businesses don't need extra protections if make honest efforts. Yet it seems that the thousands of suits already filed might belie that claim.
New York Daily News headline:
The devious COVID-19 liability push: Mitch McConnell’s push for coronavirus immunity would shield big businesses that hurt their workers - this one is an off-the-charts gross misrepresentation of McConnell's statements and actual details of the proposed plan
etc. etc. etc.
Hell Cred, by your statement, "I am concerned about the businesses as bad actors not doing their part yet still want to insist on the benefits of indemnification," you might even be in agreement with McConnell and the Republicans—they don't want bad actors or gross negligence indemnified either. ;-)
GA
LOL "McDonnel," "McDonnell" for McConnell. Must have been the martinis. ;-)
GA
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