Michael Flynn Calls for President Trump to Declare Martial Law

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  1. crankalicious profile image94
    crankaliciousposted 6 weeks ago

    Former National Security Adviser has called for President Trump to suspend the Constitution and call for limited martial law in order to re-run the election that would be overseen by the military due to the massive election fraud.

    Do you agree with General Flynn?

    Clearly, President Trump believes there was massive election fraud. Shouldn't he, under those circumstances, declare martial law and have the military run a new election so that we can be assured it was fair?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      I have watched every hearing held for the benefit of legislators in each state. Many whistleblowers have provided their testimony as well as a computer specialist giving his educated testimony on the Dominion voter system. None of this information has been reported in any depth by the media. It is more than compelling, and it is very apparent fraud took place in many forms. Was it enough to change the outcome, who knows?
      I do know one thing I don't trust the system anymore. And as a citizen's I demand a voting system I can trust, and you should too...

      I would hope that we could just have a good look at the whistleblower's info, and let this computer forensic specialist have an on hands audit of the Dominion systems in the states in question. He claimed he could do this pretty quickly.

      This cat is out of the bag, IMO we need to have a good look at all of this. Hopefully, we would not need to nullify an election, just audit and recount carefully especially if the Dominion system, it's been claimed in minutes one can dump hundreds of thousands of votes, and very simply done.

      IMO logically if it is proved that dumps were perpetrated on these voter systems we may need to toss out dumps and recount, and yes possibly have a do-over if fraud is proved due to technology.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        What, exactly, would have to happen for there to be a do-over, sharlee?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          It is no surprise that Trump uncovered some fraud in regard to Dead voting, and some info being filled in on ballots, etc. This type of fraud, as a rule, would not change an election. However, if numbers were changes due to technology, that added numbers need to change the outcome. IMO I would like to see the number rectified or the election nullified.

          Rudy G. presented a witness Retired Army Col. Phil Waldron that gave testimony in regard to the Dominion voting machines he explained how the machine is faulty and easily and quickly can change votes by hundreds of thousands.  This hearing was televised in a few places online, but the media did not cover the hearing. I took the time and watched it live.   Col. Waldron claimed if he had access to the Dominion machines used he could detect vote dumps.

          I would think none of the states involved should have a problem with him having a look at the machines that he felt were involved in dumps.

          I certainly would be disappointed to find any such massive cheating. It certainly would be embarrassing for America. However, after watching these hearings, I am convinced I want these machines inspected. Otherwise, I am left mistrusting our voting system.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            My understanding is that the states in question compared paper ballots with the votes cast in the machines and found that they matched. Does this not satisfy you? My understanding is that they looked for discrepancies and found nothing to warrant further investigation. Do you have additional info that they do not?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              I have been trying to confirm how the recount in Georga was conducted. I would appreciate it if you post your reference that explains or proved that paper ballots were compared to votes cast in the machines.  I have not been able to find anything on what they do in a recount. And yes that would satisfy me. 

              The only new information I have is from these legislative hearings. And, I am not sure if any of these hearings will get these machines looked at.

          2. crankalicious profile image94
            crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            This Waldron guy is not a witness to anything. He presented his theory in Arizona based on an anonymous email claiming there was fraud.

            This one guy with a theory garbage is ridiculous. There are people all over the country, many of them Republicans, who ran these elections and know what they're talking about, who say it was the most secure and well-run election they've ever seen. But instead, you believe the word of one guy. One guy says he can prove fraud. Another one guy says that vaccines cause autism. Some other guy says that climate change is a hoax. And people believe them. It's just sad.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              I never claimed he was a court witness, as I stated he was a witness in a hearing before Legistrators giving testimony on his knowledge of the Dominican voter system.  I certainly did not claim he could prove anything. I did say I did in another comment here say the Trump team is asking he be given the chance to examine the machines... I also stated---

              "I would think none of the states involved should have a problem with him having a look at the machines that he felt were involved in dumps."

              Your clearly taking all I say out of context. This is disturbing but understandable.

              I suggest you have a look at his credentials. I believe he is credible and has a good history in this very field.

              My comment was simple and gave a very good understanding of my view. I would think you have no right to insult this man without listening to his testimony in full.

              1. crankalicious profile image94
                crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                Anyone can make a claim about anything, but if you don't have evidence, it will not be taken seriously by a court of law. This is what is happening to Trump's claims of fraud, even by Trump-appointed judges, who aren't just tossing out the cases, but also taking time to remark about how baseless they are.

                What evidence is there that this guy should be given the opportunity to examine the machines?

                If I accuse you of some crime, should I be able to come into your house and look around just because I say you committed a crime?

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  My  Gosh ---  If one sees something or has first knowledge due to being on the spot and see the actual fraud committed. Take my word that is evidence.

                  I am not going into the explanation of what this computer expert said, and what he felt may have happened, and why he thought it may have happened. He testified for over an hour...  And why should he not have a look at the Dominion machines he felt committed dumping?  He claimed it would take him a very short time to do an exam. He could certainly one way or the other prove if the machines dumped tons of Biden votes.  And end this all one way or the other.

                  I can see some fear surfacing? Why?

                  Very poor analogy, this gentleman has really proposed a solution to help answer the question of massive voter fraud quickly. It will be up to the State Legislators to make the decisions to have the systems looked at.

                  1. crankalicious profile image94
                    crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    No, it's not evidence. If you look at the cases that are being thrown out, people "seeing something" is not accepted as evidence. Use your brain. Read the reports. These so-called witnesses are saying things like "I saw a guy rip up a piece of paper" and "I saw a truck pull up in an alley".

                    In Arizona, they traced the claims of widespread fraud to 9 ballots that were rescanned because they couldn't be read the first time and attributed the mistake to human error, not "widespread fraud".

                    Read the judges opinions of these cases and then explain how you can believe there was fraud. Many of these opinions come from Republican judges.

                  2. crankalicious profile image94
                    crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Having nearly exhausted his legal options, Trump now appears to be going the illegal route by calling Georgia's governor and demanding he overturn the election.

                    Those are the actions of a dictator/tyrant, not a U.S. President.

                  3. crankalicious profile image94
                    crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this
      2. crankalicious profile image94
        crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        None of this has held up in court. In fact, Trump's lawyers have not asserted fraud in court. If there are all these people who witnessed fraud, then it should be presented in court. However, what's been happening is that when they get to court, they have no proof of anything or don't really know what they saw or change their story or say they didn't see it themselves but heard it from somebody else. In most cases, they don't know what they saw, like that video in Georgia of the poll worker supposedly tearing up a Trump vote, but when it was researched, it wasn't a Trump vote at all. But, of course, Trump supporters called for this poll worker to be executed and he had to go into hiding.

        Presumably, since you think there was fraud, then you believe Trump should declare martial law and we should revote and have the military watch it all?

        All the stuff about Dominion is disinformation spread by Trump to confuse, just like everything else.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/11/tech … votes.html

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac … 282157002/

        https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/11/ … ion-fraud/

        If there's a massive pile-up on the freeway, everyone sees it. If there's a massive snowstorm, everyone knows it. If there's massive fraud, then it would be impossible to cover-up. This simple fact seems to escape the average Trump supporter. What's happening here is that Trump is just repeating the same lie despite having never provided any evidence whatsoever and his supporters believe it without any proof.

        And certainly we know, if Bill Barr says he can't find any fraud, there was no fraud. Even the National Review stepped up and denied it. Now it's just the crazies going on and on about it.

        Really, he should just declare martial law and make himself the winner because democracy as we know it is over.

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          "If there's massive fraud, then it would be impossible to cover-up."

          You're right...unless those in power manage to make it impossible to research.  Which is what we're seeing happening.  But you may be right in that democracy as we know it is over - when one political party has the power to cheat and then deny any investigation it is over.

          But the reverse is also true - if a party tries and fails to prevent investigation then democracy is still alive, whether that investigation shows malfeasance or not.  It is our choice as people of this country; do we allow (insist) that claims be followed up on or do we allow politics to prevent it.  We allowed it when Republicans were accused; will we allow it when Democrats are accused or will we fold and allow a potential huge cover up?

          1. crankalicious profile image94
            crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            The Republicans have been allowed to investigate, but they keep going to court with nothing and their cases are tossed. In PA, that was by a Republican, Trump appointed judge who basically called the case a joke. In other cases, they're not even claiming fraud.

            In fact, I agree that Trump should pursue fraud if he believes there was fraud, as should Democrats in the same situation. But if you can't provide evidence after 30 or so court cases, you probably should stop for the good of the nation.

            The fact is, there is no proof of fraud. Trump made that claim without evidence and continues to make it without evidence. But his supporters believe whatever he says.

            Bill Barr has said there's no fraud. The National Review has said there's no fraud. Republican election officials have said there wasn't any fraud. What exactly will it take for Trump supporters to believe it was a fair election? I'll answer that: nothing. They will never accept it and no proof of a fair election will ever be enough because so many of them believe in Pizzagate and a child sex-ring run by Democrats despite there not being any proof of those things.

            So, if the election was rigged, should Trump declare martial law? I guess he should.

          2. crankalicious profile image94
            crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            "those in power"

            Who is this exactly? The Deep State? Just more conspiracy theories.

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Who are the power mongers of the Democratic party and the left in general?  You can start with Pelosi and work your way down, but I do assure you that there are those that are VIP's, and have the most power, in the left.  You can call it a "conspiracy theory" to recognize that powerful people are doing the most running of the Democrat Party (and the Republican as well) - I see it as reality.

              Do you disagree?  Do you view the entire party as simple homeowners without any political power?

              1. crankalicious profile image94
                crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Explain how Nancy Pelosi has any control over how voting is conducted in Georgia or Arizona or Michigan or Nevada or anywhere else. Please do some research on how voting is run.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

          None of these witnesses have been brought to the courts as of yet. Have you updated yourself to actual court findings? I have, and I am not willing to list all the various reasons the cases did not proceed to the witness/evidence phase.  They have not reached the evidential phase in any of the cases that were thrown out.  As I said I watched the hearings these were just hearings before legislators of the given states involved. I did hear the witnesses giving their sworn testimony as to what fraud they saw committed. As I said I feel they should be listening to, and this matter needs investigating.

          And no I did not express the view that Trump should declare
          martial law...To repeat my opinion on what perhaps could be done.

          "IMO logically if it is proved that dumps were perpetrated on these voter systems we may need to toss out dumps and recount, and yes possibly have a do-over if fraud is proved due to technology."

          1. crankalicious profile image94
            crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            They didn't get to the evidentiary phase because there wasn't any evidence.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              Well, I disagree, I have heard some of the evidence. What sad,  you have not. And really don't care to hear these people.

              1. crankalicious profile image94
                crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                I listened to the drunk woman Giuliani had testify in Michigan. She was his star witness. She made unsubstantiated charges of fraud. He could have picked a better witness from off the street. It was embarrassing. And Giuliani farted while he was talking, so that was humorous.

                What's sad is people can no longer differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate charges.

                Let me provide an example. I have evidence that the hospital you work in reported 500 deaths in the past three months. This is probably data that is publicly available. Then I make the charge that this was higher than it should have been and that you were poisoning the patients and killing them. I make this charge and then demand that the hospital show me all of their records and allow me to look at their computers. I provide expert testimony from a friend I have who is a computer expert.

                Should the hospital allow me to look at all the things I ask for?

                The answer is: of course not. Just as nobody should give any credence to random people Giuliani pulls off the street unless they present evidence that there was fraud because, in any large, complex system, you're going to have human error. Human error is not fraud and using small sampling to suggest fraud when all it may explain is human error is not evidence.

                The drunk woman claimed thousands of dead people voted and huge voting irregularities. Well, that should be very easy to prove. In the cases I'm familiar with regarding dead voters, they've found the people who voted. If this evidence exists, here's what you do: you provide a list of dead people, their death certificates, and then show that they voted in the election. This has not been done and likely won't be done because it's an unsubstantiated claim.

                What we do know is that by claiming this fraud, Donald Trump has raised around $500 million dollars and moved it into a PAC so that he can potentially use it for other purposes. We know this because these are public filings.

                Have you donated to Trump's voting fraud defense fund? Perhaps you should. You can pay off his debts. And did you contribute to Steve Bannon's wall-building fund? Bannon is charged with fraud on that one. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand, but is interesting. These appear to be excellent money-generating exercises.

                I would assume you are leaning toward supporting Trump declaring martial law. If there was massive fraud and the election was stolen, shouldn't he?

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "Have you donated to Trump's voting fraud defense fund? Perhaps you should. You can pay off his debts."

                  Seems odd that you assume the defense fund will be used for private debts solely because it is possible.  But when shown possible voter fraud it is assumed that it didn't happen, with one method of denying it to claim the eyewitness was drunk.  Looks an awful lot like bias in operation to me.

                  1. crankalicious profile image94
                    crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    The money is not going to any defense fund. It's going to a PAC.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "What's sad is people can no longer differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate charges."  Agree, however, this has been a real habit of some over the past four years.

                  "Let me provide an example. I have evidence that the hospital you work in reported 500 deaths in the past three months. This is probably data that is publicly available."

                  What if there was evidence some of the PTs that died, seem to die anywhere from twice to 10 times?  And some bodies were just ignored not counted in the monthly stats?

                  " Then I make the charge that this was higher than it should have been and that you were poisoning the patients and killing them."

                  You are out and out calling over 250 people liars... What kind of mindset gives you the right to call these people liars? They are willing to stand up under oath and give supply to the state legislators as well as a judge if necessary.  You watched one distraught woman who has experienced threats to herself and her family for stepping up. You saw the very one that the media wanted you to see, you ate it up as they hoped you would.

                  Need I repeat for the third time I am not in favor of Trump declaring martial law.

                  I am very much in favor of this entire mess being moved to the Supreme court, and every complaint looked at, people that committed fraud arrested, and charged for their efforts to commit voter fraud. I do not as it would appear you do want to sweep this crap under a carpet.  I want total justice, tired of watching people break laws, and not be punished.

                  40,000 people voted in two states... Thousands of people double voted, these allegations have been proved. These are real people that chose to break the law! 

                  Did you contribute to Biden's campaign? Do you know where most of his donations came from?  This should be a more important subject than who I may have contributed to. Big business, wall street, and pharma own good old Joe...

                  1. crankalicious profile image94
                    crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Something on the order of 38 cases have been dismissed because they don't have any evidence. Somebody saying they saw something is not evidence and has been proved wrong over and over again. Somebody saw a truck do this. Somebody saw a poll worker tear up a piece of paper. This is not evidence.

                    At what point will you be satisfied that this is not evidence? How many court cases does Trump have to lose? Is 38 enough? How about 100? How many Republican-appointed judges have to say their filings are ridiculous?

                    There is no crap to sweep under a carpet.

                    How about all those people who died in the hospital where you work? How do I know you didn't kill them? Can you prove it? An allegation is not proof and is not evidence. Somebody saying "dead people voted" is not evidence. You have thousands of Republican and Democratic poll workers across the country who have said over and over again that the election was fair. It's been a completely bipartisan response. But it's still not good enough. No, the conspiracy theories are to be believed.

                    Nobody has proved that any double-voted. That is completely made up. Who double-voted? Who broke the law? What real people? It's completely fabricated.

                    Again, you make this stuff up with no evidence. I sincerely hope this sort of thing isn't done to you, otherwise you may find yourself in jail for murdering patients in a hospital.

                    I mean, Jesus, if Bill Barr comes out and says he hasn't seen any evidence, that's about as clear as you can get. There's no bigger stooge for Trump than Bill Barr, but apparently there's a line even he won't cross.

  2. PrettyPanther profile image84
    PrettyPantherposted 6 weeks ago

    This should be good.

  3. Live to Learn profile image78
    Live to Learnposted 6 weeks ago

    There has been election fraud for many years. I cannot imagine Trump attempting to call for martial law, in order to rerun the elections and I can't imagine a scenario where I'd support such.

    But I do hope the lawsuits continue. We need the problems cleaned up once and for all. If we left it to the democrats, as long as they win they could care less how devious the outcome was gained.

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      What's your evidence of election fraud? The cases I know about are on a very small scale and sometimes tip local elections.

      In terms of national elections, the most notorious case of fraud occurred in 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon and, I believe, Mayor Daley in Chicago was accused of some shenanigans that benefitted Kennedy.

  4. emge profile image79
    emgeposted 6 weeks ago

    I think everybody is entitled to his opinion.   Micheal Flynn is also entitled to his say but my point is can Trump order martial law? To order martial law there must be good reasons for it and the fraud that is alleged is too small to warrant imposing martial law. I wonder whether the military will accept this order if given.

  5. emge profile image79
    emgeposted 5 weeks ago

    Truth must prevail. Even if there is a whiff of fraud it must be investigated. Nobody should hide  behind the margin of victory.

    1. crankalicious profile image94
      crankaliciousposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      There is no whiff of fraud. First, there must be evidence, not baseless accusation. Just because somebody screams fraud doesn't mean there's fraud. That's what the courts are for. Furthermore, human error is not fraud. Massive fraud is something that requires evidence.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        We have gone back and forth on this subject. I located a video of the hearing that was held in Maricopa County Arizona. If you are interested in the evidence please listen to Col  Waldron a computer crime technician. I think you will understand why he hopes to be able to have the Dominion machine in this county audit by him and any other person that the state wants to accompany him for the audit.

        This man has a wonderful Bio in his field and presented himself as a very well educated consultant, well associated with the Dominion system.

        I would think it prudent the Legisslaters ask the Sec of State to let this man have a long look at these machines. If they have nothing to hide...
        I suggest you watch this testimony in full to be educated on his testimony.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXyOtzADUCU

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Since you are so knowledgeable about the evidence of voter fraud in Arizona, you can probably answer this question without even looking it up.

          In what court cases has this evidence been presented and what was the outcome of those cases?

  6. Abbas Safeer profile image57
    Abbas Safeerposted 5 weeks ago

    What's the solution to this issue?

  7. MG Singh profile image60
    MG Singhposted 5 weeks ago

    Has anybody thought of the reaction of the military and the chiefs of staff? There is a good chance that if an order is given to the military why Trump that they may not be in the interest of democracy. You can't have an election supervised by the military under martial law I am not aware if there any provisions of the US Constitution which allow for the imposition of martial law.

  8. Abbas Safeer profile image57
    Abbas Safeerposted 5 weeks ago

    Trump's post election compaign seems to be very strong

 
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