What About Our Homeless?

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   Live to Learnposted 3 years ago

   The Biden administration is ear marking funds to provide stipends and housing for those crossing our southern border; after they leave Ice custody
   
   We have a homeless crisis. Why do the democrats in Washington care more about non US citizens than they do legal residents in dire need?

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      lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      My son is part of teh homeless community. Many don't want anything to do with the government, and their"help".

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         Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not surprised.  However, if we still had a government  of, by and for the people would not have those in need, who did not have underlying conditions that caused them to fear unnecessarily, fearful of help.

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      Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If the homeless are struggling to utilize the social systems we have here in America, then the underlying problem is with the individual who is homeless, their past/present decisions, and their past/present predicaments. There will always be tragedy cases with their sob stories as attractive as a box full of kittens, but the general welfare already sees to it they have equitable opportunity for housing, food, social worker accessibility, and work programs.
      
      In Lawrence, Kansas, the shelter there had about twenty dollars per day to feed everyone three hot meals (that's twenty dollars overall, not per person). This is because they spent so much on housing people, providing social services such as employment search, and offering help with independent housing. Funnily enough, the shelter consisted mostly of non-native illegal individuals, and they spent most of their resources on these female individuals rather than the majority whom were legal and male.
      
      The same situation occurs here in California, in Laguna Beach. Most people who are homeless American citizens get outweighed first by illegal women, then legal women, then on and on down the chain. However, this is an unfair example if I leave out that this system is quite equitable so long as the less-of-a-minority groups work harder than the others for their opportunities.
      
      All in all, the homeless issue falls back onto the jurisdiction of the state, and more thoroughly onto the city. If we are being callous and brutally honest, the homeless issue is a social issue more than it is a government issue (except pandemic-related issues, mostly). There is usually a chain of events that logically coincide with the outcome of homelessness in people's lives, and we would be better off working on the root of the issue rather than the symptoms.

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         PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Excellent. I have learned more about homelessness during the past year due to getting to know a fellow who does homeless outreach through our local medical clinic and what you write seems spot on.
         
         Her question was phrased so as to imply that if funding is going to non-citizens as well as for homeless citizens, then it means the funders don't care about homelessness. It was nothing more than a silly partisan jab.

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            Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Silly to be partisan over bipartisan decisions, so I didn't give that angle a second thought.
            
            Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and now Biden are all presidents who have done the best they can to both contain and assimilate illegals. The rhetoric they choose is vastly different, especially in Trump's case, but the paper trail says status quo for the most part.

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      Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Democrats care more so that they can get votes from them in the future. I perceived that not much was being done about illegal immigration until Trump was put in. Politicians are often too afraid to make unpopular stances because they want to get re-elected. Obviously things have not dramatically improved just because there is a new president.
      Personally, I believe that many illegals would try to go about the right way if it were easier. I think they think everything will be wonderful once they get here.
      But to address the homeless problem, the focus should be on the root of the issue...building people up through skills, education, etc. Then they will be empowered. Feeding people is just a temporary solution.
      Another thing that comes to mind...In another part of the country that I lived in a while back, one of the saddest things was that so many just wanted to get on disability and have the government take care of them. That can be a problem if they are fully capable. But it was a mindset that was being taught across multiple generations. So sad.

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   PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago

   Homelessness is a complex problem that is mostly addressed by local jurisdictuins, though they do receive federal funds.
   
   And your question is silly and intellectually dishonest, merely posed as a partisan dig.

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      Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No answer but an insult. Typical. Which is why I choose not to engage with you. Would appreciate you following suit.

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         PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         The Trump administration ear marked funds to provide assistance to foreign countries
         
         We have a homeless crisis. Why did the Republicans in  Washington care more about non US citizens than they do legal residents in dire need?

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            Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Most likely because they pose a bigger threat to the country as a whole than homeless legal citizens. Both parties seem to do their best in those regards.

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            Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Do you ever get tired of what aboutism? We can't solve an issue because......WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?
            
            I do wonder when the left will take responsibility for their ineptitudes.

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               PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Do you ever stop pretending you're not a partisan tool? I merely turned your silly question around on you to demonstrate its inanity. I guess you didn't like that.

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               Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               "I do wonder when the left will take responsibility for their ineptitudes."
               
               Maybe at about the same time that the Right takes responsibility for theirs?

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                  Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh gee. Another what aboutism. I'd like to say I didn't see that coming. But that would be a lie.

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      IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes. For some, NOW it is a problem. But to your point.
      
      The Biden administration has a plan for housing and homelessness that is extraordinarily aggressive, putting billions into rent vouchers and construction, attacking restrictive zoning and committing to making housing a human right.
      
      “We haven’t seen an approach that’s this comprehensive since the onset of modern homelessness,” said Donald Whitehead, executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless.
      
      Meanwhile...
      
      On his first day in office, President Joe Biden extended the CDC’s eviction moratorium through March.
      
      He also signed an executive order saying that FEMA should reimburse municipalities 100% of what they spend to house people in non-congregate shelters until the end of September. Under former President Trump, FEMA was providing 75% reimbursement.

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         PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you for providing this info.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Her question is clear, with a clear context. Perhaps your not aware of the funds Biden earmarked to be spent on housing illegal immigrants.
      
      "The Biden administration is earmarking funds to provide stipends and housing for those crossing our southern border; after they leave Ice custody
      
      We have a homeless crisis. Why do the Democrats in Washington care more about non-US citizens than they do legal residents in dire need?"
      
      The Biden Ad. has earmarked 86 million to house migrants here illegally. Fact ---    https://news.yahoo.com/biden-spending-8 … 30752.html
      
      Not sure why you find it intellectually dishonest?  Yes, it is partisan due to  Biden a democrat shoved it down all others throats.   So, you are very correct on that point.
      
      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden … on-hotels/
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/wash … covid-cash
      https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-t … der-2021-3

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   Valeantposted 3 years ago

   Estimated homeless in America:
   
   2007:  639,258
   2016:  549,928
   2020:  580,466
   
   https://www.huduser.gov/portal/sites/de … Part-1.pdf
   
   Let's see...a nearly 11,500 person drop in homelessness per year under a Democratic administration and a nearly 7,500 person increase under a Republican one.  Where have you been for the last four years while the numbers were climbing?

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   Perspycaciousposted 3 years ago

   Frankly you are looking at the wrong numbers.  Look at homelessness as a percentage of the growing population, and homelessness in the Blue States compared with the Red States.  Fortunately I have been in a Red State, while those numbers were climbing.

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   Perspycaciousposted 3 years ago

   ...and my Red State is the one with 3% unemployment.  Put that in your pot pipe and smoke it!

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      tsmogposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Who are you insulting?

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   Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

   One thing, i am more impressed with in the the US than in Canada is. They are building alot of tiny house communities to replace tent cities. Although one place in California charges the city & $130.000 for 8x8 tiny wood house not isolated . Which I could build a much better fully functional self  sustainable bricklike house for Under $5000. Anything with Government is so deeply corrupt.

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Unless you are building in the middle of Death Valley you can't, for even the footprint of that 8X8 "house" will cost more than your $5,000.  As will the necessary electric, plumbing and HVAC of that single room, not to mention the hookups to the various "grids" for that "self sustainable" room.

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         https://www.google.com/search?q=jay+sha … vn9ZM,st:0
         
         Jay Shafer was one of the pioneers of tiny house and myself in Canada. We both almost went homeless over the legal matter of difficulty. I can fully equipped an 8x8 tiny house to work on certain land, working on manufacturing 16X8 for $10,000 on up to $22,000.each.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            That's what I said - $5,000 is completely out of line.  Even $22,000 requires that "certain land" rather than where the homeless are and is still questionable.  That's the cost of a garage in most areas, without plumbing, heating, AC, land, insulation or electrical service outside of a couple of outlets running off of already existing service.
            
            But can you also do it while hiring all the work done rather than doing it yourself?  Few homeless have the expertise to design, build and supply a home of any size.  Or the tools, for that matter.

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Jay is not as advanced as I am in eco living of landscape, water harvesting and grey water and compost systems He dose really beautiful designs and wood working.
               
               I don't use a trailer. A  55 gal drum of aircrete is about $13 each a mix.
               For a house his size, I can build for $2000 cheaper than him. Because of aircrete material for solid floors and ceiling walls. Aircrete for the rocket stove mass heater/oven/stove. $500 for 300 watt solar systems . I refurbished solid wood furniture for very little or for nothing on Kijiji.
               
               I use 16ft. Steel rails $10 a pieces on a floating deck of pieces of foam beneath. No foundation) Than set roller on the track to roll on to a towing truck, at cost of $300 for towing anywhere in Nova Scotia if need be.
               
               A long as I find well water on property is by far the most important thing in the long run. Growing and selling plants along with construction can be  employment for the homeless. I would only accept people who would fall through the crack. No metal illness, no serious addiction and a desire to work with a good attitude.

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