Documentary of tiny house communities.

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  1. Castlepaloma profile image76
    Castlepalomaposted 2 years ago

    I build tiny house communities. Legality is the greatest problems yet it's all booming regardless.

    Really good documentary.

    1. CHRIS57 profile image60
      CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting topic.
      Of course it depends very much on the perspective.

      Is it a matter of cost to go for Tiny Houses? Obviously tiny houses are much cheaper, but come with downsides.

      Is it a matter of luxury to go for Tiny Houses? Tiny houses can be easily set up in remote locations, where off grid is not a drawback, but a feature.

      Don´t know about the situation in the Americas. Here in Europe the legal situation is certainly more difficult. It is not a matter of living off grid. That is possible and is no limitation. It is more matter of permanent residence. You simply can´t set up a tiny house, a trailer, a shack somewhere in the woods and start living there.

      Some years ago i was offered to buy a little forest with a hunting cabin on the property. That cabin (65 square meter) was quite well equipped with water and electricity supplies and a 3 chamber sewage composting system. But - but you were not allowed to live there permanently. Just an overnight or weekend stay was allowed. I didn´t buy the cabin because at that time my youngest son thought it was not worth while because of lack of communication infrastructure (no internet, no cell phone connectivity). For me that lack would have been a luxury treat, but it is always a matter of perspective.

      In Germany we have another type and use of "tiny house". We have "Schrebergarten"
      These lots are crowded with tiny houses. But again, people are not allowed to stay there permanently. The shacks have no legal address.
      Most of those Schrebergarten colonies were set up on cheap public properties, sometimes very close to city centers, mostly close to railroad tracks. An innocent foreign traveller by RR could get the impression that people over here live in very poor housing conditions, but these tiny houses are only luxurious shelters for home gardening in addition to appartment buildings and condos.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        I got a two 2 year government grant to build tiny houses in BC Canada. Longer than anyone I know of. Started building with hempcrete was hassled by the RCMP and local marijuana growers with a shotgun. Then replace these houses with aircrete material the housing material of the future. After 15 years of pioneering tiny houses, finally see the light with tiny castle without the hassle.

        I have no idea or vision how to build tiny house communities in europe without the greatest hassles.

        US has near the same unemployment as Germany. Although they have 6 times more homeless people in Germany. I did not see homeless people out into the streets or tent cities like the US. LA homeless kind of reminded me of my travels to India in the 70s where the hospitals patients were emptied out in the streets. I could see a woman giving birth and a man dying on the street at the same time.

        Where are all these German homeless people living ?

        1. CHRIS57 profile image60
          CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          .... Where are all these German homeless people living ?

          Firstly there is no official count of homeless people. In G. the definition is: "homeless is someone without legal address". Obviously you can´t count what is not officially legal. Haha.. Having said this there is only a minority (10 - 15%) of homeless, who actually live on the street, this French clochard or Russian bomsh thing.

          For these homeless people a tiny house is never an option. On the contrary: In Germany the anticipation is more that tiny houses are a luxury thing.

          Even though cost may be low, there are no established ways of financing. Normally mortgage financing is linked to property. If you are remote and mobile, no ground, no property, no financing, not even any government financial assistance to be expected. To buy a house in G. it is much easier to get a regular house with regular mortgage than buy a tiny house  cash. It is even easier to buy an RV (some 4 times more expensive), because for RVs you get loans.

          I would bet that 90% of people interested in tiny houses are young, environmental enthousiasts with enough cash support from their parents to buy a house. The idea: small house - less resourced used - better for environment - fewer trees chopped - makes you feel good. I am no sure that this chain of logic is really well founded. Anyways: Tiny houses are luxury. Low income people will rent an appartment, if not downtown then somewhere cheaper in remote areas. We have good public transport and generally everything is much closer together in Europe than in the US or CA.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I find Germans really interesting, yet, their system has alot of lack of freedom for me. There is whole self run homeless US tiny house communities that are totally earn and own by themselves.

            The way much of North America is buying up all the cheap houses. Then turning them around with jack up prices. The next generation will be slaves and own nothing in the future. This must change or WEF will gladly totally own us.

            1. CHRIS57 profile image60
              CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, it is always a matter of perspective. Freedom is also a matter of perspective. Germans would really have an issue with speedlimits on the Autobahn, and about alcohol in public. Dutch have issues with narcotic drugs not being legal.

              Homeless people and how they are treated by their respective governments is a socio political issue. The idea that the weakest in society must be protected is not very popular in the US, isn´t it? In G. we have it in our constitution. May suggest a lack of freedom, nanny state attitude, but it certainly keeps homeless off the streets.

              Only - this has nothing to do with tiny homes, me think.

  2. Nathanville profile image93
    Nathanvilleposted 2 years ago

    Now I better understand.  I didn’t watch the whole video because it’s too long (and I’ve got other things I want to do).  Nevertheless, it was obvious from what I saw that what you call ‘Tine House’ and ‘Tine House Communities’ in the UK and across Europe are known as ‘Mobile Homes’ and ‘Mobile Home Parks’.

    The laws in the UK for a mobile home are that the maximum legal size is:
    •    Length = 65 feet
    •    Width = 22 feet
    •    Height = 10 feet

    How Are Park Homes Built?

    Seven great reasons to live in a Park Home

    Also, it may interest you to know that in the UK, and across Europe, living off the grid is perfectly legal.

    Living off Grid in the Woods in the UK

    1. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think that is right - the US has a great many mobile home parks, too, and they are not classified as "tiny homes".  For one thing, they are much larger than the common "tiny home" (the maximum here is slightly larger, plus a third group that is 3 houses (36') wide rather than 2).  Can't recall the last time I saw a "triple wide", though - perhaps they have died out.  A 12X70 foot home is fairly common, as is that size doubled in width.  Probably a result of wider roads here in the states.

      But tiny houses are seldom if ever that 840 sq ft, and never double that.  The typical "tiny home" is 100 to 400 sq ft. and rarely over 500.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Trailer home mostly are not designed for winter. Don't even want to compare a toxic rust bucket to a tiny house. Yes tiny houses are more in the 100 to 400 sqft. Range

        After 15 years of pioneering these babies
        Come to the new improve house, affordable for minimum wage persons. Much more pros than cons.
        Pro and cons
        My tiny houses 240 sq ft. vs
        A Regular house

        1. Easyer to resell house.10th cost for sale,
        2. Energy efficiency solar, low cost.
        3. Can help people live debt free & saving money
        4. Accessible to camper supplies & minimum amount of furniture.
        5. Less maintainance & repairs
        6. No mortgaging. a house you own it doesn't own you.
        7. If not liking the area or legal situation, If your neighbor sells his house who knows what your next neighbor will be like, you can leave if any serious doubts.
        8.Very little hookup or legislatic cost.
        9. More diversity & freedom .
        10. More options of Land purchases. Buy a low cost fix her upper is a turn key for many other tiny house lots and community.
        11, Less clutter, and more quality moments with family.
        12. Taxes are very low as are water and other Utilities bill
        13. Less (if any) yard to take care of.
        14. Fresh means healthier cooking minimal waste food storage.
        15. Quickly pick up and go whenever, wherever, truck towing service.

        1. Don't have all utilities at your fingertips. (Water, Electric, sewer etc.
        2. living in tight quarters can create unexpected problems
        3.Empty a composting toilet
        4. Not enough space to entertain inside or storage
        5. Smaller bathroom & kitchen.

        1. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Unless you are selling only to rich people, you aren't building in American cities, where the homeless live, at all.  Not with a zero mortgage after buying a $50,000 lot.

          It's that lack of utilities, including sewer, that would keep me out.  That and the tiny size: I live in my home, not in the town that surrounds it, meaning that the large majority of my time is spent at home rather than bar hopping.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I've started 15 years ago. Bought and sold 6 land properties in the pass. Built 9 tiny houses and sold, except MY own  in Belize.

            Renting a small house right now, man!!! is it very expensive (not a store in town) , no problem manufacturing tiny houses here. Got 5 offers from people who want to me to be their partner in a tiny house communities projects. Must be because of the covid scare. Just studying each one of them, before I decide.

            With a second dwelling trailer or tiny house. I can add to an existing 1000 sq ft House.. around Nova Scotia I can find listed 10-15 minutes from a major town. About 3 or 4 a fixit uppers houses  from $25000 to $50000 fully operational. Then build many tiny house community from that.

            The trick is, don't call them tiny houses until you want to go big. Call it a studio a cabin anything except a house, then live in them anyway . Most Trailers in Canada people live in, yet they are not legal to live in. Its the craziest game I have ever played, finally I'm winning much better at.

      2. Nathanville profile image93
        Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Well, yep, living accommodation as small as you describe is, in the UK akin to caravans.  The law in the UK is that it is illegal to live permanently in a caravan; albeit with an estimated 200,000 Gypsies (Roma (Romani people), Irish Travellers, and modern day drop-outs e.g. hippies) there are people in the UK who do live in caravans, and sometimes they do win the right from Local Governments to settle permanently on land, but more often than not they are eventually evicted.

        UK Gypsy Travellers (Irish Travellers) in London: A Life on the Run

        Roma Gypsies settled on a legal gypsy site in the UK:

        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I was like a comic sand gypsy touring the continents for 3 decades and loved it. Their gypsy lifestyle on that video is terrible and their treated awfully.

          The laws from my studies of europe tiny houses are more difficult in generally probably because Europe is very crowded. Most things are smaller anyways. In North America housing average 2300 square ft. Since 50% of house owners are single that's really supersize me size. These are dictated by wealthy greedy real estate corporations. Its always the greatest challenge for Healthy lifestyles for food, medicine and shelter. More homeless in Canada than there are Government public servants. In the US is worst with lack of shelters, tent cities in every major cities, and seniors living in RVs or vans across the nation.
          I can make affordable housing for 90% of them, yet the extreme corrupted system won't allow me.

          1. wilderness profile image94
            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I highly doubt that 50% of house owners are single - I don't think I've ever met a single person that bought and owns their own house.  A few that got the house when a marriage broke up, but no single person I've known in 70 years of living bought their own house.  I'm sure there are some, but nowhere near that 50% figure.

            Instead, shouldn't it be that 50% of homes are single people?  And the large majority of those rent an apartment considerably small than 2300 sq ft - I would imaging that the average apartment in the country is under 1000 ft.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image76
              Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              They are single that own a house or something like a condo. That's not to say they don't have a common law girlfriend or children.

              Every woman I have dated the last 15 years, owns their own condo or house non attached to spouse. The boomers are the one with the biggest square foot over the adverage . Often enough their kids can't afford their place and move back home or traditionalist move back sometime.

              My tiny houses mainly market youth couples or downsizing seniors. Probably you have mainly friends that are married.

              Minimum wage is not a living wage for a most and my tiny houses are affordable to them. Or divorcees separated to their backyard with second dwelling tiny house settling the negotiations for the regular house. I remember as a kid they had tiny houses right out of a Sears catalog, folding beds, tables and ironing boards. The red tape today is insane.

              1. wilderness profile image94
                wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                And a condo is not a house - the average size is only about 1200 sq ft.  2300 is about the average for stand alone houses, making the average of houses and condos much, much smaller.

                That's what I was saying; the average owned home (not house) is nowhere near what you said.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                  Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Ok, I won't mix apple and oranges.

                  Still regular houses vs a tiny houses for the market place for youth, very low incomes and minimum wage persons. My tiny houses are 15 pros for 5 cons vs. a regular house summary.

                  Man! your so strict, yet I like it

                  1. wilderness profile image94
                    wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    There are indeed pros and cons for a tiny house.  But, IMO, the magnitude of those cons outweigh the pros; when you have a place to sleep that does not include water, electricity, heat or sewer it gets to be a pretty large con to me.  We did that 1,000 years ago with lean-to's and teepee's - surely we can do better today.

                    While a tiny house offers better appearance than a tent, that's about all it offers.

          2. Nathanville profile image93
            Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Yep European houses can be small; ours built in the 1930’s, which is quite typical for a modest size British urban brick home is:-

            •    864 square feet floor space
            •    The Front porch and back conservatory adds another 142, making the grand total floor space (excluding the loft) just over 1,000 square feet. 
            •    Add the loft in and that increases to about 1,200 square feet in total. 

            Our back garden is 3,000 square feet, and our front garden is 600 square feet.

            In the UK, We, and most people of our generation, own our own house, but due to mismanagement in the housing market by consecutive Conservative Governments since the 1980’s housing development hasn’t kept up with demand so most people in our son’s generation can’t afford to buy their own home; albeit the Conservatives are trying to rectify the problem with generous grants to first time buyers and changes to the law to allow various ‘right to buy’ schemes e.g. a system whereby young people can convert their rent into a mortgage and end up part owing, or fully owning their own property e.g. a friend of ours now lives in a house that’s half rented and which he half owns; with the legal option to buy out the other half any time in the future, if he can raise enough funds.

            There is homelessness in the UK, but it’s not on the scale of the USA, or Canada, and most homeless people in the UK are homeless because they either fail to seek assistance and or are dropouts e.g. on drugs, mental illness etc.

            And Yep, across Europe gypsies are not popular, and as such are treated with contempt wherever they go.  Gypsy, Roma & Traveller discrimination in the UK:

            In the UK, since the Labour Government landslide victory in the 1945 General Election (Socialist Government) it’s been legal requirement by Local Governments to provide affordable ‘Social Housing’ for the homeless, and those in need e.g. if you become homeless, and present yourself to your Local Government in the area where you live, they then have a legal obligation to house you (Council Housing).

            Interview with Harlow Council leader (local Government) as building of new council houses (Affordable, Government owned houses, for the homeless etc.) begins:

            New Council homes in North Manchester:

            1. wilderness profile image94
              wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Actually, if one removes those that fail to seek aid and the dropouts, I doubt the US homeless problem is any worse in the US.  There will always be some that have suddenly become homeless because of illness, job loss, whatever, but they don't stay there long.

              It is the addicts, the mentally ill and those that simply don't accept the modern lifestyle that comprise the vast bulk of US homelessness.

              1. Nathanville profile image93
                Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                I always got the impression that ghettos (shanty towns), where the poor lived on the fringes of society, were a common feature of the USA; or is that all just hype in the news media and on documentaries.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                  Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Your impression is right. From touring Europe and America several times the last 50 years as an athlete and artist.
                  I can say who studies homelessness and first hand experiences visiting homeless, it is much worst in America.

                  As a youth I only experienced seeing a homeless person as drunks in a back alley. Today, Its like the new plague, Ive been pioneering solutions for, the last 15 years. Plus for like minded, self sustainable tiny house communities.
                  My tiny houses are designed to connect together. Each unit is about 2000 pounds, easy on your roadways.

                2. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  It seems that large cities all have their ghettos, their tent cities, of homeless people.  Fall below 100,000 population, though, and nearly all of that goes away. 

                  Again, though, I think we have to look at the reasons for those areas, and those reasons seem common in all developed countries.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    2020    580,466
                    2019    567,715
                    2018    552,830
                    2017    553,742
                    2016    549,928
                    Not counting most homeless who are not accounted for in the woods, cars RV, streets, barns even know a few who live in trees. If I was homeless, i wouldn't go to a diseases infected homeless shelters lower than a third world country. I hearsay half of them have covid, don't you think a tiny house gives them the oxymoron of social distancing? I rather take my chances catching covid than being homeless, the numbers are similar to deaths in the US.

                    Generally the last 5 years US homeless have increased. Where do these homeless people go other than to the over crowded cities. A tiny houses give these people chance of decency, locked door and all utilities,  besides its international law that these  basics are provided

                  2. Nathanville profile image93
                    Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Yes, homelessness is an issue in all developed countries; but, it’s not so bad in Europe that we have ghettos like the USA. 

                    Back in the 1980’s, Margaret Thatcher (Conservative Prime Minister at the time) closed the coal mines (for political reasons), denationalised all the main Industries and decimated (destroyed) heavy Industry; putting millions out of work; with the consequences that homelessness became a national crisis e.g. cardboard city in London.

                    London’s cardboard city, initially in 1983, 200 homeless people living in cardboard boxes under Waterloo Bridge in the Eastend of London, for 15 years until 1998 Cardboard City was Britain’s biggest homeless problem.  Eventually, in 1998, the site was cleared for redevelopment and the 30 remaining homeless were offered Council Houses and Counselling.

                    As I previously stated, under British Law ‘Local Governments’ have a legal duty to provide housing to the homeless and those in need e.g. unemployed etc., (the Council House) so over the decades since the 1980s homelessness, as a major issue has largely been eradicated in the UK. 

                    New Social Housing (for the low paid and unemployed) in Bristol:

                    Below, street scene of Council Houses (Social Housing for deprived families) built by the Local Government in Bristol.


        2. wilderness profile image94
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          That's interesting.  In the US we have quite a large number of "full timers" - people living in an RV, either a motorhome or trailer.  But few cities will allow living in an RV that is simply parked alongside a house or other residence - instead the full timers park in what is euphemistically call a campground.  Dedicated to permanent mobile homes and long term RV's it is hardly camping, but that way they can have water, sewer and electricity hookups.  Precious few houses have an extra setup for an RV in the side yard.

          But the majority of those full timers are hardly poor; their home can cost in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.  It is simply a lifestyle choice that they make that allows them to pick up and move somewhere else at the drop of a hat and for very little cost.

          1. Nathanville profile image93
            Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for the feedback. 

            RV’s (called Motorhomes in the UK) isn’t that popular in Europe because of the narrow roads; plus the added restriction that on an ordinary car driving licence in the UK the maximum size RV you are allowed to drive weighs no more than 3,500kg (3.86 tons) e.g. quite small. To drive anything heavier in the UK you either require a Heavy Goods Vehicle driving licence or a Passenger e.g. bus/coach Operators licence.

            Cornwall, England in a Motorhome:

            However, it’s quite common for wealthy people in the UK to own a 2nd home (holiday home), which maybe in the form of a holiday cottage by the sea or in the countryside, or a static caravan on a holiday campsite etc., which they then usually hire out for most of the year (when they’re not using it).

            1. CHRIS57 profile image60
              CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

              Arthur, nice video you found there. Reflects the atmosphere of RV or trailer travelling. We had an RV similar to the one in the video. Traded it back to the space comfort of a regular camping trailer. RVs only make sense if they are much larger and can store a small car or at least some motorcycles. I saw some RVs pull a small car behind, but there you have a trailer situation again.

              By the way i looked up my drivers license. It allows me to drive up 7,5 ton vehicles and 12 tons combined with a trailer (C1). This is a EU license. Should be the same all over Europe for those who aquired their license in or before the 1980ties. But may be i am wrong.

              1. Nathanville profile image93
                Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Yep, I just doubled checked.  In the UK the law changed in 1997; those in the UK who passed their driving test before 1997 can drive an RV up to 7.5 tonnes; but for those who passed their driving test after 1997 the restriction is 3.5 tonnes.

                Yep, in the UK, especially in places like Cornwall, where the roads are very narrow, my wife wouldn't contemplate driving an RV (not even a small motorhome), we'd much rather just drive a small car for touring, and hire a static caravan or holiday cottage, and use that as a base while on holiday; which is what we usually do:  As per one of our videos, shown below:-

                Day trip to Polruan Fishing Village and Castle, Cornwall, England

                1. CHRIS57 profile image60
                  CHRIS57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Doesn´t belong to the tiny house discussion, but English roads are really special. I still remember my first Taxi haul from Bristol airport via Brockley toward the city. What an entertaining trip on the narrow, winding roads with heavy lorries trying to pass. And that was more than 20 years ago. I still remember.

                  But in general in Europe road space is more generous. Even in mountain areas you seldomly find Cornwall situations or alike.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                    Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    In my tiny houses, it only take about $300 cost for towing on a tow truck to anywhere in my province. They sit on steel floating decks rails, then rolled on a truck with steel rolling bars. Building cement foundation and buying trailers are not worth the legal issues, money, time and energy.

                    About 6% of Canadians live in these trailer toxic rust buckets which most are not designed for winter living. Most have only R7 isolation and the roof leaks after 10 years. My house are designed to last a lifetime. There R24 isolation and thermo mass, which is more important than isolation.

                  2. Nathanville profile image93
                    Nathanvilleposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                    Yep, we discovered that with our extensive tours of France e.g. good roads almost everywhere; seldom the narrow winding roads often found in the UK. 

                    It’s not just Cornwall, such roads can be found across the whole of the UK, including (surprisingly) in a few places in Kent, below is one of our trips in Kent where we ended up on narrow country roads (Kent, Southeast England, being one of the most densely populated part of the UK):-

                    Kent Country Lanes:

                    The British Government ceased road building in 1992, with a change of Government policy putting railways as the primary transport of the future; since then successive Governments in the UK have invested in expanding the railway network infrastructure, rather than the road network.


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