The 3.5 Trillion Dollar Reconciliation Bill -- Is It Doomed?

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 3 years ago

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    Build Back Better -- Hold on Joe

    “No SALT, no deal,” Suozzi, a House Ways and Means Committee member, said Tuesday. The committee, which writes tax policy, will have large sway over the crafting of the $3.5 trillion infrastructure bill.

    “No SALT, no deal. I stand by my call that I will not support any change in the tax code unless there is a restoration of the SALT deduction. The cap on the SALT deduction has been a body blow to the state and middle-class families of New York. In fact, the repeal of the cap would lower the taxes of New Yorkers by upwards of $12 billion a year. That’s just about as much federal aid as any relief program the federal government could provide to New Yorkers. I simply cannot stand by while the hardworking people across all of New York are hurting because of the SALT cap.” Source    https://suozzi.house.gov/media/press-re … s-cap-salt

    Republicans limited the SALT deduction to decrease most Americans’ taxes with the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. The Trump tax bill limited the SALT cap to $10,000. Increasing the SALT cap would primarily benefit taxpayers making more than $100,000 per year in many wealthy blue states such as California, New York, and New Jersey.


    Many Democrats clearly support the raising of the SALT deduction, which includes Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY).

    Progressives have decried any Democrat attempts to raise the deduction.

    Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) called the deduction a “giveaway to the rich” and a “gift to billionaires.”

    Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said this spring that raising the SALT cap would send a “terrible, terrible message when you have Republicans telling us that this is a tax break for the rich.”

    Pelosi only has a three-vote majority in the House and cannot afford to lose many of the moderate Democrats that are demanding an increase in the SALT deduction.

    Suozzi said, “I’m certain that we have enough people interested in this topic” to block the reconciliation infrastructure bill."

    What are your thought on the 3.5 trillion Reconciliation Bill...  Are you aware of what's in it?

    Do you feel with the current huge debt due to COVID,  that America can afford such a bill at this time?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Nine Democrats hold firm on opposing budget without infrastructure vote first -- The Honey Moon Is Over...

      "With just days to go until the House returns for a brief session, competing Democratic priorities are still threatening to derail the adoption of a budget resolution needed to begin the reconciliation process for enacting the party’s economic agenda.

      All nine House Democrats who told Speaker Nancy Pelosi last week that they won’t vote for the budget unless the House sends the Senate-passed bipartisan infrastructure bill to President Joe Biden’s desk first are holding firm to that position, the members or their offices told CQ Roll Call."

      https://www.rollcall.com/2021/08/20/nin … ote-first/

    2. Ken Burgess profile image68
      Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      These are Corrupt Establishment Cronies that are Enemies of all Average Americans, these politicians more vile, corrupt, and criminal than Trump or anyone else now or in the past in DC.

      When the new Conservative/Libertarian portion of the population, those that for the most part swung to Trump in 2016 join with the other populist faction that supports the likes of:



      We might actually get a government for the people, of the people.

      So long as they can keep us separated and fighting one another, so long as those who support the likes of Elizabeth Warren, Barry Sanders, etc. consider it a victory to have the corrupt establishment puppets like Clinton and Biden shoved down their throats and named the DNC Nominee, there will never be a government that serves the interests of the people.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      On Tuesday, congressional Democrats narrowly avoided the spectacle of weeks of carefully laid plans crumbling into dust. For once, it wasn’t the fickleness of senators that threatened those plans but the whims of nine moderate members of the House.

      At the heart of the moderates’ complaint was Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s refusal to allow a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill the Senate passed this month. Pelosi, D-Calif., insisted the infrastructure bill wait until a $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation passed through both chambers of Congress and landed on President Joe Biden’s desk.

      Nine Dem's Holding up progress on Both bills...

      nine moderates at the center of the intraparty struggle — Reps. Josh Gottheimer, D-N.J.; Carolyn Bourdeaux, D-Ga.; Jared Golden, D-Maine; Ed Case, D-Hawaii; Jim Costa, D-Calif.; Kurt Schrader, D-Ore.; Filemon Vela, D-Texas; Henry Cuellar, D-Texas; and Vicente González, D-Texas
      https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/moderates … t-n1277575

      At this point, it looks like the reconciliation bill will have trouble passing.

      1. wilderness profile image90
        wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        No, there is but one person holding up the infrastructure.  A single politician holding back the desperately needed repairs to our country.  One woman, willing to allow people to die and costs to skyrocket in order to get her way.

        Ethically, it is "criminal".  Unfortunately there is no law against such an action.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Well, yes this woman has taken a hard line on hooking the two bills together.
          I am hopeful some of the none moderate Dems will bring her down.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image68
          Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Its more than one woman, if she wasn't being supported behind doors by the likes of Pelosi, she would have been forced into silence and going along with it.

          If you think it is her alone making a grand stand, you are ill informed on how the deceptions and corruption in DC really work.

          1. wilderness profile image90
            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            You are correct; she is only the face shown.  That's how power works; you have enough behind you, you can do as you wish.  At least in DC you can.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I think the Dem machine has run amuck... I can dream, can't I? It would seem lots of Democrats are preferring a lifejacket, and may not want to lose their seat on the boat. Do you think these nine plus one (Joseph Manchin ) will stop the Reconciliation Bill from being hooked to the infrastructure bill, for starters?  And work to take a big bite out of the Reconciliation bill?

            1. Ken Burgess profile image68
              Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              I wish I had confidence that something positive would come out of Congress to propel America into a better economic and emissions reduced reality in the years ahead.

              But I just don't see it happening, the corruption runs too deep.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

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                Sorry Joe,  no go.

                Oct 2, 2021 ---   In a letter on Saturday, Pelosi told Democrats that she wants the infrastructure bill passed before the end of October.

                The Problem ---  The vote on the bipartisan legislation in the House was delayed as the far-left wing of the Democratic caucus refused to back the bill unless there was an agreement on a separate $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation package packed with left-wing spending priorities and tax increases.

                "Democrats conceded that the votes were not there to pass the infrastructure bill, with talks still ongoing with moderate Democratic -- including Sinema -- to come to an agreement on the reconciliation package. Moderates have sought to bring down the massive price tag of the bill, which can pass the Senate without a Republican filibuster if it can drum up the support of all 50 Senate Democrats."

                "After the progressive wing flexed its political muscle to block the infrastructure package, Sinema slammed what she described as "an ineffective stunt to gain leverage over a separate proposal."

                "Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., on Saturday tore into Democratic leadership over what she described as an "inexcusable" failure to hold a vote on a bipartisan infrastructure bill -- a move she said betrays the trust of the American people."

                "The failure of the U.S. House to hold a vote on the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act is inexcusable and deeply disappointing for communities across our country," the moderate Democrat said in a lengthy statement. "Denying Americans millions of good-paying jobs, safer roads, cleaner water, more reliable electricity, and better broadband-only hurts everyday families." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sinema … cture-bill

                IT looks like neither bill will pass at this point. Right now it appears Nancy just has nowhere to turn.  She could do the right thing and vote on the infrastructure bill, and at best give Joe at least something to put in the win column.   It is clear many dem's just had cold feet about killing democracy. I think they are having second thoughts about becoming a socialist country. 

                All the Republicans need to do is sit back and enjoy the production.

    4. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

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      Will  Bernie's/Biden's far-left Big Fat Bills do him in? 
      Joe Biden's domestic agenda and his presidency appear to be in trouble with a capital T.

      When Biden campaigned he laid out an ambitious agenda. However, he never campaigned on $6 trillion in new spending on two bills that he calls infrastructure calls human infrastructure. Instead, he presented himself as the man that could bring the country together; and build our reputation back around the world; rid Washington of Trump; cut bipartisan deals in Congress; defeat the COVID virus. In my view hee is batting zero.  Add in the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan. And we have a president one foot out of the Whitehouse.

      His two infrastructure bills are stalled, caught between the far-left progressives. That insisting the bipartisan infrastructure bill can’t pass the House before the reconciliation bill passes the Senate, and the stuck-in-mud moderates that insist the bipartisan infrastructure bill must pass the House before anything else happens.

      Could we witness a complete meltdown over the Biden big spending bills? That is not out of the question at this point.  Biden's reconciliation bill isn't too big to fail, but actually so big we could see one or both fail spectacularly.

      Biden's bill has all the same hallmarks as other signature presidential initiatives that failed spectacularly, despite huge investments of presidential political capital.   Failed at the hands of a president's own party.

      Donald Trump suffered an almost immediate defeat on Obamacare repeal in 2017.
      Good old George W. Bush's Social Security reform imploded in a Republican Congress.
      Bill Clinton failed to get his health care bill through Congress, despite an 80-seat House majority and 56 or 57 senators, and being a well-liked president.

      Biden has very little political capital at this point, due to so many uncontrollable fires so early on in his Tenure    There really shouldn't be any mystery here, though. It's no surprise a president who has an approval rating in the low 40's, a tie in the Senate, and a single-digit majority in the House would have difficulties getting such a historically ambitious progressive agenda win.

      What do you think, will Biden, pull off a win on one or maybe both of his very expensive infrastructure bills?

      Do you have any thoughts on these two bills? Do we need a true infrastructure bill passed?  What do you think about the human infrastructure bill, do you know what's in it?

  2. Castlepaloma profile image77
    Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

    When the kings finally exhaust themselves over flighting over everything. Peace will pop it's head up above the smoke and mirrors and show us the light again.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I think you got something there... one can hope people will at some time have an epiphany, open up their eyes, and see through all the smoke and mirrors.

 
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