Dammed If We Do Dammed If We Don't Kenosha May Lose Either way

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
    Sharlee01posted 12 months ago

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    'If Kenosha don't get it, shut it down: BLM protesters face-off with pro-Rittenhouse supporters outside court after jury finish for the night and deliberations enter second day: National Guard on standby"  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … tions.html

    Right now the jury is our, we all await the jury to rule... Outside the courthouse, we have a crowd, some supporting a verdict of innocent, some hoping to see a guilty verdict.

    At times the two sides have become unruly --- Two people were arrested Wednesday outside the Kenosha County Courthouse,   A 20-year-old man was arrested for battery, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest, while a 34-year-old female was arrested for disorderly conduct.

    With the jury expected to enter the third day of deliberations, the Kenosha Unified School District decided to move five of its schools to virtual learning for the remainder of the week "out of an abundance of caution due to the proximity of school boundaries to the courthouse and the number of students who walk to and from school."

    Kenosha citizens are strong, resilient, and have worked hard to heal and rebuild from the very riot that caused so much damage to their city.

    Now they once again face the threat of violence and damage to their city. In anticipation of the potential for violence after a verdict, Gov. Tony Evers sent about 500 Wisconsin National Guard troops to the Kenosha area to be on standby.

    It would appear that many are not in any respect not willing to respect whatever verdict in the Rittenhouse trial.

    If the jury finds Kyle guilty or innocent it could set off a
    riotous protest.  Have we become a society that no longer respects our laws?

    Are we headed down a vigilante type of justice?

    What are your thoughts on the growing problem? -- we don't get our way, we riot...

    1. Valeant profile image87
      Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Considering the sixty court cases and lawful subpoena recently ignored, the rule of law seems optional to many right now.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Not sure about "60 subpoenas" being ignored?  I do know we have laws to handle persons that ignor subpoenas.

        "What happens if a congressional subpoena is ignored?
        Under this statute the wrongful refusal to comply with a congressional subpoena is made punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and imprisonment for up to one year. A committee may vote to seek a contempt citation against a recalcitrant witness. This action is then reported to the
        House."  https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO … 112-18.htm

        It does not bode well for the DOJ not to follow our laws.

        I assume they will in regard to any of these 60 subpoenas enforce the law. If they don't, that is on them.

        I feel if a person does not respect a subpoena they should be punished as the law requires.

        At any rate --- Thanks for commenting on this thread. I do depend on you to discuss current news. I do appreciate it.

        1. Valeant profile image87
          Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          60 court cases - the ones relating to the election that 60% of the GOP continue to disbelieve.  Sorry, I can see where that might have been confusing to interpret what I was meaning.

          And two subpoenas actually - Bannon and Meadows.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Well like I said the new AG has the law on his side. Let's see if he uses it.

  2. Live to Learn profile image60
    Live to Learnposted 12 months ago

    The verdict in Kenosha proves to me that average American citizens have not gone down the path of the rabid left. Common sense prevailed in that court room.

    The most left leaning person I know, when asked what they would have done in a similar circumstance, as shown in the videos, admits they would fear for their life and use deadly force to protect themselves.

    People can run their mouths all they want online but I do believe any American who had  sat on that jury would have come to the same conclusion. Because hypocrisy is well and good, for many, until their reputation for  decency and common sense is on the line; and then they will weigh the facts and make the right decision.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I share your sentiments in regard to most Americans who have not traveled down the path of the rabid left. In fact, I see a bit of a turn, I think American's are noting that the way the country is headed is not acceptable. I have been keeping the faith in American's as a whole.

  3. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 12 months ago

    The self defense claim was valid, for sure.  As testimony was given, it was easy to see. 

    Rittenouse's youth and inexperience certainly was a factor as more experienced people testified that they did not feel Rosenbaum was a threat.

    Now if we can get the rabid right to stop condoning violence as all but two Republican reps did when they chose not to censure Gosar, then that would be great.

    1. Live to Learn profile image60
      Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      The left hasn’t done one thing to censure Congress people on the left who advocate violence. I would like to see consistency in censuring both sides.

      1. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        +1000000000000.

      2. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        That's because those of us on the left don't see our reps comments as violent.  Only the people on the right who are looking to turn any comment into violence see them that way.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Sounds exactly what people on the left do; look to turn any comment into violence.  Example: Trump "encouraged", "planned" or "encouraged" an insurrection attempt to take over the country (the Capital riot).

          The only difference is that the left is in power at the moment and nothing that Republicans do in Congress can get even consideration.  It is a convenient excuse that "we don't see our people as promoting violence" but that's all it is; an excuse to allow leftwing violence.  Like the hundreds of riots all summer.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            It is the game they play, that has become very transparent to the majority of American's. People are sick of the hate they foment, and so many are turning away from the rhetoric that the left dish up.  It's becoming apparent on social media, that many no longer want to be associated with all their crazy.  The tide is turning in my view.  Yeah, there will always be some that just did not get the memo. For instance AOL   --- News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines.  It is or I should say was a haven for liberals to express, and argue their ideologies. I have followed it for years. In the last three months, their comments are more moderate, as well as logical...

            1. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              You keep making the claim about people turning away from the left.  The policies the left are passing are very popular with the majority of the country.

              What the country is not happy with is the inflation caused from the pandemic, something that was caused long before Biden, and the usual partisan outrage about immigration which is at the same pre-pandemic levels as 2019.  And if Trumpism taught us anything is that blame everyone, accept no responsibility is the new mantra of the right.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Inflation was created by Biden it actually started the very first weeks he entered the White House. He created a perfect storm for inflation, and it will be getting much worse over the next year. I can't imagine what the upcoming inflation numbers will be. He skrewed around with our energy sector, our economy by giving incentives to stay home.

                Not sure how you can totally blame the pandemic ---  Just check out the link below and have a look at the charts for what we were paying to heat and cool our homes...  W have a segment of our population that will not be able to pay the high costs of heating their homes. Was Joe not going to help the poorer citizens and Middle class?  This is some evil shi-  going down.

                The numbers are shocking, and they will double in the next couple of months. All of our problems have occurred due to poor decision-making. Hey, that's my opinion.

                I would like to say I am wrong, I certainly don't enjoy inflation. But I pretty much have been right so far.

                It will take a very long time to fix the economic problems Biden has caused. And I sure wanted the infrastructure bill to pass, but I believe it will bring on inflation as we have never seen.
                https://www.demac.com/reference-materia … ub-series/

                Hey, if I am wrong it will be me to where egg on my face...
                Not sure when it will hit you, the country is in some trouble, and we have no one at the helm to right the ship. This guy needs to step away.

                And you are wrong, Trump solved problems he did not take time to cry baby and blame... Not at all.  His economy was wonderful, he had American energy independence, for the most part, people were working until the pandemic hit. he worked his ass off for this country and received nothing but attacks from the left media, as well as half the country.

                I get tired of hearing disdain for this man. It disturbs me not only that he does not really deserve it. But it reminds me how low some American's have sunk to be pulled into pure propaganda.

                And, I do see a big swing on social media, many are just looking at facts, and are done with all the hate that the media is selling.

                1. Valeant profile image87
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Such whitewasing.  You know what created the inflation?  The economy reopening and people going out and spending all that cash they had built up while the goods and services that weren't ready to meet that demand had been shut down during 2020.  Remind us again who was President in 2020?  Basic economics.  High demand, low supply. 

                  Trump did not solve problems.  He created problems, then when things went back to normal, he convince idiots that he solved something.  In actuality, he just fixed what he broke.

                  The disdain is warranted as he ignored the reports that the Wuhan lab was dangerous.  He lied to the American people about the dangers of the virus.  And then he politicked against the basic safety measures to prevent people from dying of the disease.  Any one of those things killed American citizens.  All three are unconscionable.

                  On your social media, you're being sold the hate and anger.  It's why your party is making deaths threats against teachers, inciting violence against colleagues, and attacking your own Capitol based on lies.  It is this hate that is leading the right to think their fellow Americans are enemies and deserve to be attacked.  It's just a shame those who are being brainwashed cannot see it.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Not sure how you can fool yourself to believe Trump did not do a good job with COVID. He jumped on the problem formed a task force (My opinion Fauchi was the biggest mistake Trump made listening to that tool)... Quickly provided PPE, Vents, and Hospital venues, and three vaccines in 8 months. Remember Fauchi snickering at Trump's prediction of when he would offer American's vaccines.  He never lied to American's he offered some words that were badly skewed by the media. Some are smart enough to see the context. Biden is a true nightmare IMO. One horrific mistake after another. We can agree to disagree on how Trump handled COVID --- he listened to the wrong people for sure...

                    It is certainly not the right fomenting hate and listening topropaganda. It should be sinking in. My God the rhetoric the left media dishes up is what keeps many in a pure state of hating without a provocation. Even here on HP, this hate enters in comments.  Some just don't have the skills to have a respectable conversation,  acting as if their word is "the last word".

                    It is so odd how when any on the left protest you find it acceptable, and place blame on the innocent. As I have said numerous times... The tide has turned the majority of American's have regained their common sense and no longer want to be associated with the left ideologies.

                    More people have been infected with COVID on Bidens time more have died...  Did he lie when he said he had a plan for COVID? He has done nothing, no plan just tossed cash at it, which has ruined our economy. I'll get back at you after the next inflation stats, come out.  All your flighty indignation falls on deaf ears, with me...

                    Let's see how it all goes in 2022, that should say a lot about what people feel about Biden.  The polls are certainly a good indication he is toast.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    We have beat all you have offered up to death.  Broken record, you need some new rhediric. Just getting old.

              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                What the country is not happy with is the inflation caused by the massive giveaways and spending of the left.  At least be honest as to the reason.

                They are also quite unhappy with Mr Wonderful taking in anyone that manages to cross the Rio Grande and spreading them, at night, across the country.  Accept the responsibility for what causes the outrage; it certainly isn't the wall that helps keep them out.  It's the policy from the left that Americans are responsible for supporting the world's poor.

                1. Valeant profile image87
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  More outright lies.  Much of that massive spending occurred prior to Biden winning the election.  Putting it in italics won't change it to a truth.  When don't you stop making things up?

                  Not surprising that the right is unhappy with the U.S. following the laws and allowing legitimate asylum claims.  Following the law seems to make the right angry these days.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    "More outright lies.  Much of that massive spending occurred prior to Biden winning the election.  Putting it in italics won't change it to the truth.  When don't you stop making things up?"

                    This is not in any respect true.  And we had no signs under Trump at any period of his 4 years. So, perhaps you should put the blame on Biden, IMO where it belongs.

                    Biden administration has abandoned border security policies totally,  and immigration reforms that enabled Trump's administration to turn back the tide of illegal immigration. Which was working...

                    He has broken historic numbers of immigrants entering into the country that are now awaiting asylum.— People from 160  countries have flocked to the border due to dribbling ridiculous invitations.  the world.

                    The president and vice president have sworn an oath to protect their fellow Americans. Their administration’s immigration policies are undermining homeland security, not only in regards to terrorism but the massive again record-breaking number of drugs that we now are seeing.

                    You certainly have no problem calling others liars. In my view, this is truely socially unacceptable and uncalled for.

                2. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
                  Fayetteville Fayeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  The annual inflation rates for dozens and dozens of goods routinely purchased by American households - including food - were already at their highest levels in a decade before Biden entered the White House early this year.

                  That's in large part because of the COVID-19 relief spending enacted under Trump's administration with overwhelming Republican support in the Senate. It exceeds what Democrats have allocated so far by roughly $1 trillion.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    And the second (unnecessary) "stimulus"?  And the "pay to stay home" plan of huge unemployment insurance that was more than most of the recipients earned by working?

                    Did you forget about those?  In particular the paying people to stay home - when purchases are made without accompanying production inflation is the inevitable result.  When businesses re-opened and couldn't find employees (all staying home on the free money from Biden) the inevitable result was rising wages...and the inflation that brought about.

          2. Valeant profile image87
            Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Who on the left listened to Trump and then attacked the Capitol?  As I noted, there were plenty on the right that listened to Trump and then thought he wanted them to attack Congress.  They have claimed that repeatedly in court and in the media.

            Who on the left said anything that encouraged rioting?  Rioting and violence was committed by opportunists on both sides.  The left backed peaceful protests against murdering black people in the streets.  Your perceptions of others, as usual, are fabrications.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              No one...no one...can be held responsible for another person that listens and then does the exact opposite of what was requested.

              Except, of course, liberals did exactly that.  Claiming that Trump spoke in "code" and only the idiot rioters understood the code.  Total BS, but swallowed by a great many on the left.

              The left backed hundreds of protests that did millions (billions?) of dollars in damage.  Some left wing politicians even joined them.  Which you know but choose to ignore as it shows the left not only embraces violence but at a far, far greater level than the right ever conceives of.

              1. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Clearly, you have your delusions and nothing those rioters have said that contradicts your false reality will sway you.  So be it.

                Yes, the left backed peaceful protesting.  But only a damned liar would claim they backed violence or rioting.

                1. Fayetteville Faye profile image60
                  Fayetteville Fayeposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Presidents get too much credit when the economy does well and too much blame when it slumps. The boom-and-bust cycles that are inherent in capitalist economies depend on forces that are largely  independent of any president’s actions. Economic cycles are 6 years generally. This is very well documented through history. Presidential terms are 4 years. Consider that.

            2. Live to Learn profile image60
              Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this
        2. Live to Learn profile image60
          Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          You must be joking. If not, then lol

  4. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 12 months ago

    Getting back on topic, it appears that there still is a foreign movement to amplify talking points supported by the right:

    Frank Figliuzzi, the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, tweeted that of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets from November 19–20, 29,609 had disabled geolocation. Of them, 17,701 were listed as “foreign,” and most of those were in Russia, China, and the EU.

    1. GA Anderson profile image90
      GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Foreign influence? If that same result came from a chocolateisthebesticecream hashtag, (we all know chocolate is the official flavor of the Right), would it still be a bad thing?

      GA

      1. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        So much misinformation in that post.  We all know the right's favorite has to be vanilla.  Any neopolitan flavor or options with sprinkles will cause them to head to Charlottesville for a march.  :>

        Just saying, foreign influencers are leading a large swath of the country.  I didn't qualify my post with a good or bad statement, especially since I found the Rittenhouse verdict to be appropriate.

        1. GA Anderson profile image90
          GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          No sprinkles, ever. Neopolitan is a choice that never pays off. The strawberry is always the last clump getting freezer-burnt, and some chocolate or vanilla lover always gets shortchanged because there isn't enough of either one.

          GA

 
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