Dammed If We Do Dammed If We Don't Kenosha May Lose Either way

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Sharlee01posted 2 years ago

'If Kenosha don't get it, shut it down: BLM protesters face-off with pro-Rittenhouse supporters outside court after jury finish for the night and deliberations enter second day: National Guard on standby" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … tions.html

Right now the jury is our, we all await the jury to rule... Outside the courthouse, we have a crowd, some supporting a verdict of innocent, some hoping to see a guilty verdict.

At times the two sides have become unruly --- Two people were arrested Wednesday outside the Kenosha County Courthouse, A 20-year-old man was arrested for battery, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest, while a 34-year-old female was arrested for disorderly conduct.

With the jury expected to enter the third day of deliberations, the Kenosha Unified School District decided to move five of its schools to virtual learning for the remainder of the week "out of an abundance of caution due to the proximity of school boundaries to the courthouse and the number of students who walk to and from school."

Kenosha citizens are strong, resilient, and have worked hard to heal and rebuild from the very riot that caused so much damage to their city.

Now they once again face the threat of violence and damage to their city. In anticipation of the potential for violence after a verdict, Gov. Tony Evers sent about 500 Wisconsin National Guard troops to the Kenosha area to be on standby.

It would appear that many are not in any respect not willing to respect whatever verdict in the Rittenhouse trial.

If the jury finds Kyle guilty or innocent it could set off a
riotous protest. Have we become a society that no longer respects our laws?

Are we headed down a vigilante type of justice?

What are your thoughts on the growing problem? -- we don't get our way, we riot...
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Considering the sixty court cases and lawful subpoena recently ignored, the rule of law seems optional to many right now.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure about "60 subpoenas" being ignored? I do know we have laws to handle persons that ignor subpoenas.
  
  "What happens if a congressional subpoena is ignored?
  Under this statute the wrongful refusal to comply with a congressional subpoena is made punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and imprisonment for up to one year. A committee may vote to seek a contempt citation against a recalcitrant witness. This action is then reported to the
  House." https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO … 112-18.htm
  
  It does not bode well for the DOJ not to follow our laws.
  
  I assume they will in regard to any of these 60 subpoenas enforce the law. If they don't, that is on them.
  
  I feel if a person does not respect a subpoena they should be punished as the law requires.
  
  At any rate --- Thanks for commenting on this thread. I do depend on you to discuss current news. I do appreciate it.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  60 court cases - the ones relating to the election that 60% of the GOP continue to disbelieve. Sorry, I can see where that might have been confusing to interpret what I was meaning.
  
  And two subpoenas actually - Bannon and Meadows.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Well like I said the new AG has the law on his side. Let's see if he uses it.
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Live to Learnposted 2 years ago
The verdict in Kenosha proves to me that average American citizens have not gone down the path of the rabid left. Common sense prevailed in that court room.

The most left leaning person I know, when asked what they would have done in a similar circumstance, as shown in the videos, admits they would fear for their life and use deadly force to protect themselves.

People can run their mouths all they want online but I do believe any American who had sat on that jury would have come to the same conclusion. Because hypocrisy is well and good, for many, until their reputation for decency and common sense is on the line; and then they will weigh the facts and make the right decision.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I share your sentiments in regard to most Americans who have not traveled down the path of the rabid left. In fact, I see a bit of a turn, I think American's are noting that the way the country is headed is not acceptable. I have been keeping the faith in American's as a whole.
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
The self defense claim was valid, for sure. As testimony was given, it was easy to see.

Rittenouse's youth and inexperience certainly was a factor as more experienced people testified that they did not feel Rosenbaum was a threat.

Now if we can get the rabid right to stop condoning violence as all but two Republican reps did when they chose not to censure Gosar, then that would be great.
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  Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The left hasn’t done one thing to censure Congress people on the left who advocate violence. I would like to see consistency in censuring both sides.
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  gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  +1000000000000.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  That's because those of us on the left don't see our reps comments as violent. Only the people on the right who are looking to turn any comment into violence see them that way.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds exactly what people on the left do; look to turn any comment into violence. Example: Trump "encouraged", "planned" or "encouraged" an insurrection attempt to take over the country (the Capital riot).
  
  The only difference is that the left is in power at the moment and nothing that Republicans do in Congress can get even consideration. It is a convenient excuse that "we don't see our people as promoting violence" but that's all it is; an excuse to allow leftwing violence. Like the hundreds of riots all summer.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  It is the game they play, that has become very transparent to the majority of American's. People are sick of the hate they foment, and so many are turning away from the rhetoric that the left dish up. It's becoming apparent on social media, that many no longer want to be associated with all their crazy. The tide is turning in my view. Yeah, there will always be some that just did not get the memo. For instance AOL --- News, Politics, Sports, Mail & Latest Headlines. It is or I should say was a haven for liberals to express, and argue their ideologies. I have followed it for years. In the last three months, their comments are more moderate, as well as logical...
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You keep making the claim about people turning away from the left. The policies the left are passing are very popular with the majority of the country.
  
  What the country is not happy with is the inflation caused from the pandemic, something that was caused long before Biden, and the usual partisan outrage about immigration which is at the same pre-pandemic levels as 2019. And if Trumpism taught us anything is that blame everyone, accept no responsibility is the new mantra of the right.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Inflation was created by Biden it actually started the very first weeks he entered the White House. He created a perfect storm for inflation, and it will be getting much worse over the next year. I can't imagine what the upcoming inflation numbers will be. He skrewed around with our energy sector, our economy by giving incentives to stay home.
  
  Not sure how you can totally blame the pandemic --- Just check out the link below and have a look at the charts for what we were paying to heat and cool our homes... W have a segment of our population that will not be able to pay the high costs of heating their homes. Was Joe not going to help the poorer citizens and Middle class? This is some evil shi- going down.
  
  The numbers are shocking, and they will double in the next couple of months. All of our problems have occurred due to poor decision-making. Hey, that's my opinion.
  
  I would like to say I am wrong, I certainly don't enjoy inflation. But I pretty much have been right so far.
  
  It will take a very long time to fix the economic problems Biden has caused. And I sure wanted the infrastructure bill to pass, but I believe it will bring on inflation as we have never seen.
  https://www.demac.com/reference-materia … ub-series/
  
  Hey, if I am wrong it will be me to where egg on my face...
  Not sure when it will hit you, the country is in some trouble, and we have no one at the helm to right the ship. This guy needs to step away.
  
  And you are wrong, Trump solved problems he did not take time to cry baby and blame... Not at all. His economy was wonderful, he had American energy independence, for the most part, people were working until the pandemic hit. he worked his ass off for this country and received nothing but attacks from the left media, as well as half the country.
  
  I get tired of hearing disdain for this man. It disturbs me not only that he does not really deserve it. But it reminds me how low some American's have sunk to be pulled into pure propaganda.
  
  And, I do see a big swing on social media, many are just looking at facts, and are done with all the hate that the media is selling.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Such whitewasing. You know what created the inflation? The economy reopening and people going out and spending all that cash they had built up while the goods and services that weren't ready to meet that demand had been shut down during 2020. Remind us again who was President in 2020? Basic economics. High demand, low supply.
  
  Trump did not solve problems. He created problems, then when things went back to normal, he convince idiots that he solved something. In actuality, he just fixed what he broke.
  
  The disdain is warranted as he ignored the reports that the Wuhan lab was dangerous. He lied to the American people about the dangers of the virus. And then he politicked against the basic safety measures to prevent people from dying of the disease. Any one of those things killed American citizens. All three are unconscionable.
  
  On your social media, you're being sold the hate and anger. It's why your party is making deaths threats against teachers, inciting violence against colleagues, and attacking your own Capitol based on lies. It is this hate that is leading the right to think their fellow Americans are enemies and deserve to be attacked. It's just a shame those who are being brainwashed cannot see it.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure how you can fool yourself to believe Trump did not do a good job with COVID. He jumped on the problem formed a task force (My opinion Fauchi was the biggest mistake Trump made listening to that tool)... Quickly provided PPE, Vents, and Hospital venues, and three vaccines in 8 months. Remember Fauchi snickering at Trump's prediction of when he would offer American's vaccines. He never lied to American's he offered some words that were badly skewed by the media. Some are smart enough to see the context. Biden is a true nightmare IMO. One horrific mistake after another. We can agree to disagree on how Trump handled COVID --- he listened to the wrong people for sure...
  
  It is certainly not the right fomenting hate and listening topropaganda. It should be sinking in. My God the rhetoric the left media dishes up is what keeps many in a pure state of hating without a provocation. Even here on HP, this hate enters in comments. Some just don't have the skills to have a respectable conversation, acting as if their word is "the last word".
  
  It is so odd how when any on the left protest you find it acceptable, and place blame on the innocent. As I have said numerous times... The tide has turned the majority of American's have regained their common sense and no longer want to be associated with the left ideologies.
  
  More people have been infected with COVID on Bidens time more have died... Did he lie when he said he had a plan for COVID? He has done nothing, no plan just tossed cash at it, which has ruined our economy. I'll get back at you after the next inflation stats, come out. All your flighty indignation falls on deaf ears, with me...
  
  Let's see how it all goes in 2022, that should say a lot about what people feel about Biden. The polls are certainly a good indication he is toast.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  We have beat all you have offered up to death. Broken record, you need some new rhediric. Just getting old.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  As is yours of blaming Biden for everything that started in 2020. Put your partisan hate away for a while, it's ridiculous.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I have posted threads that are current news. I realize some don't like it. I do prefer current over old news. Biden happens to be the guy in the White House, and yes I have posted much of what is being reported by media. I guess one could say the same about your obsession with Trump. I don't hate Biden, my true sentiment would be I am dissatisfied with him, and yes made it clear I did not think him presidential material. Still don't, I consider him the worse president we have ever had, and I feel very sorry for him... No hate, just offering my opinion. When you speak of hate -- it's not me that call others here liars, and accuse others of hating. You may want to have a look in the mirror. I can honestly say, I have not run across anyone else here that feels they can make these kinds of accusations.
  
  It is obvious anyone that who disagrees with you makes you very mad, and you lash out. That would be your problem, not mine...
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  That you can think that someone who now has two major pieces of legislation passed, lowered the unemployment rate, and overseen the largest vaccine rollout in history can be the worst, you prove my point about you just having partisan hate.
  
  And there are so many lies posted to this site, it's easy to call them out. You have people trying to sell that the 2020 election was fraudulent, others who just repost the false narratives they get from Fox News that leave out so much critical information that they are easy to disprove.
  
  I follow current events also, but am willing to look back and be critical of how we got to those events instead of just being lazy and saying that the current occupant is responsible for everything that was caused before his election - especially when he hasn't even passed his own budget yet that can address the many issues left over from a global pandemic.
  
  And like I said, if Trump's administration did not ignore the warnings about the Wuhan lab, we may have never even had a pandemic. A problem he caused by being ignorant about science or incompetent about understanding the dangers that were being posed to the United States. Problem caused that is still being solved two years later.
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Isn't it only the Infrastructure bill that has passed—one major piece of legislation, (perceiving that "passed" means signed)?
  
  I don't mean for that to come across as `sharpshooting, but your claim seems to be a 100% exaggeration of your primary point. (unless I have egg on my face because I forgot the other piece of major legislation passed)
  
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  MARCH 10, 2021
  H.R.1319 – AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF 2021 – FINAL TEXT
  
  https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-paper … final-text
  
  Add the cost of ARPA to Infrastructure and BBB ... And it well explains why we are experiencing inflation.
  
  If you want to be sick have a look at the link that gives a good look into the ARPA. It will make you wonder why we needed such an extensive infrastructure bill. This bill was stuffed with tons of unnecessary spending.
  
  I wish more would take an interest in what Congress is doing, I feel like I am on an Island... No one is watching anymore.
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I am familiar with the BBB plan. And I know it was just passed by the House, so it isn't officially "passed" and ready to become an act until it is passed by the Senate. Right?
  
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The bill I offered was Biden's first bill -- The bill passed the House by a vote of 219–212 on February 27. ... H.R.1319 – AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT The bill was signed into law by President Biden on March 11, 2021.
  
  I believe this is the second bill Valelant referred to when he made the claim Biden passed two pieces of legislation in his previous comment. If BBB passes it will be Biden's third piece of legislation.
  
  Hopefully, BBB does not pass, Many in Congress admit they have not had time to read it. An overview of the bill has finally been posted online. I hope Jurnilist will dig in and start reporting what's in that huge bill.
  https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con … /5376/text
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Oops. the "rescue checks," I remember now. Too preoccupied with the BBB thing. My bad.
  
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I can't keep track either. And on the horizon after BBB we will see the Dems stepping up and again wanting to raise the debt ceiling. They need that open-ended check to pay for BBB. Because that bill is only paid for on "If Comes". So buckle up. Like Mccarthy stated --- one year, one party destroyed a democracy that worked for 244 years.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  So tired of hearing you talk about the unemployment stats. These are people that returned to work after their unemployment ran out. Trump's army of workers is returning to work. We have over 9 million unfilled jobs.
  
  Again in regards to COVID, I will judge him on the same variable; that you judged Trump on. Biden has more cases and more deaths in his short time in office. And no end of COVID in sight.
  
  He will go down in history for the inflation he caused.
  
  "And like I said, if Trump's administration did not ignore the warnings about the Wuhan lab, we may have never even had a pandemic"
  
  Does this go for all the leaders of other countries? They all had very similar problems and still are today. Trump did a superb job. Can't imagine if Biden were president when this virus hit... Oh, I guess he would have asked for one of his 90 days investigations... That he never brings up again. You keep ignoring the facts in regards to what Trump did do. That's your problem facts are facts, the timeline shows he was quick to do everything in his power to help us get through this mess.
  
  I can still remember crazy Pelosi dancing in China town telling people to come and have dinner. The Democratic party is pretty ridiculous, and for lack of a better word, a vile bunch.
  
  " A problem he caused by being ignorant about science or incompetent about understanding the dangers that were being posed to the United States. "
  
  This would be your boy Fauchi and the tools at WHO. Trump was on it from the first case until he left office. Biden has done Zero, it makes me laugh when I go back and listen to his three-step plan... He should really get started on that. LOL 1. Masking 2. Opening schools 3,
  vaccinating American's. Some plan --- what happen, why did his plan not work? Seems like a pretty simplistic plan to fight a killer virus.
  https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/biden … 7361477800
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  That's the second time you've claimed that people only returned to work because unemployment ran out. But the stats say the job rate was the same in states that ended it early versus those that let it go longer. That has nothing to do with why people returned to work. Like I stated previously, it's more likely that the child tax credit allowed working families to get back to work - something Biden put in.
  
  Who knows how many other countries got warnings about the Wuhan lab? I know for a fact that we did, in 2018. And that warning was ignored and then the virus got out. If Biden was president, he likely would have acted to prevent the dangers since he had already seen one outbreak immediately into his first term as VP and then helped prevent a second one from reaching our shores.
  
  Trump wasn't on anything. He lied and said the virus would just go away.
  He couldn't get a tracking program up and running, allowing the virus to spread. He allowed people to come in from China and then from Europe on the east coast too late to stop the virus from taking hold.
  
  As for why Biden's plan has not worked, hard to reach herd immunity when Trump supporters ignore the basics of stopping the virus from spreading. The data notes that counties Trump won have much higher covid rates. And people are testifying to Congress that Trump interfered with stopping Covid:
  https://people.com/politics/political-i … -congress/
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to think you can assume what Biden will do --- his lack of action on all the problems we are currently having should tell you something. He does nothing to solve problems. He is dragged out to give a speech here and there but has no solutions. Not sure why you feel he would have jumped on COVID, when the WHO our own CDC did not take the reports seriously, nor did any other world leader. But, you feel Biden would have stood out. This is laughable. We can agree to disagree on how Trump handled COVID.
  
  I goy news with all the cases the US has had, plus the high percentage of the vaccinated, we have a heard. Time to admit we are dealing with a virus that we need China to cooperate on its origin. Biden did not ask for the information we need in his recent chat with Chi. Must have forgotten. we need that info.
  
  COVID is spreading, and out of control. Where is Biden's plan?
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Biden's plan is sound. Why not look internally to all the GOP governors and Trump supporters fighting a big part of the plan, vaccine mandates? Or the ones fighting mask mandates in schools that have been scientifically proven to slow the spread of the virus?
  
  A plan is only so good as those willing to not obstruct its goals. And the way our government is set up, many at the state level have the ability to do just that. And yet, you blame Biden for state officials hurting what is clearly a good plan. Again, misplaced blame based on partisan hate.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "A plan is only so good as those willing to not obstruct its goals."
  
  You're right, of course. You're also absolutely right that a great many people, from Capital Hill to state legislatures, to the man in the street, are rejecting Biden's plan to turn the country into a hospital or quarantine setting.
  
  Which means that the "plan" is not good at all and is not working worth beans. What is Biden's "plan B" for when the first one doesn't work?
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  More delusion about what someone else thinks, or in this case what their plan is. How does getting a vaccine at your local drugstore turn the country into a hospital setting? Only the far-right misinformation talking heads are even mentioning quarantines at this point.
  
  The plan, for those that have followed it, is working.
  
  One example of some scientific results noting that the plan actually works:
  https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Docume … inated.pdf
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The plan, as a solution for the United States of America, is most definitely NOT working.
  
  So I repeat: what is Biden's "plan B" when the first plan did not work. After all, had the entire country sequestered itself in their homes for 6 months the virus would have been stopped dead in it's tracks. But that would never work (starving people would never stay home), just as his current plan isn't working. So what's next? Will he aerial spray the country with an inhalant vaccine? What will that do to livestock and food crops, or does he care?
  
  (The sister I mentioned earlier is always masked and so was her doctor. Yet she contracted COVID from that one short contact; masks and vaccinations are not the total answer to everything.)
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  The States in America definitely are not United. The plan is definitely working for the people united under Biden as the vaccination rate and death rate by party clearly shows.
  
  The right has been convinced by their media and many of their governors to choose death over science. So be it. Biden can only save those that want to be saved and there's a large portion of very stupid people that will perish and make the country a safer place to live. Still a solid plan.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Refusing to answer generally means you don't have one. In this case I shall assume that you don't know of any Biden plan that has any more chance of working than what is already in place and failing.
  
  Which is pretty much what I thought and implied. Perhaps if Biden had re-opened business and country earlier, perhaps if he hadn't tried to FORCE vaccinations, perhaps if he had considered economic and social costs as well as cost in lives it might have worked. I doubt it, but it might have - Americans are not particularly noted for appreciating being told what to do and the backlash against Biden's gestapo methodology should have been expected.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Your whole misguided claim discounts that Biden has already moved on to plan B. He tried encouraging people, showing the positive effects of reducing hospitalizations by getting vaccinated, and making the vaccine widely available.
  
  After a media campaign designed to discourage vaccinations by the talking heads at Fox News, despite them being vaccinated themselves, Biden then moved on to mandates.
  
  First the carrot, now the stick. That you cannot process that Biden has already moved on to plan B is your own failing, not Biden's.
  
  And I'll just leave this here to remake my point. Top 5 states over the last seven days in covid deaths per 100,000 people: Wyoming, Montana, Kentucky, West Virginia, Idaho.
  Average vaccination rate: 47%
  Average that Trump won those states in 2020: 64.3%
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Ah. Then plan B is to force people to get a vaccination.
  
  I don't think that is working very well, either. It is, in fact, the overriding reason for the huge denial to get poked - as a way to stop the pandemic it is doing well at growing it instead.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  No one is forced, that's another false claim. They just won't be able to engage society like those of us who have chosen to vaccinate.
  
  And there is plenty of data to see how mandates do work:
  One company went from 78% vaccinated to 97% after the mandate was enacted.
  One hospital that put in the mandate saw a 10% jump in just one week.
  United Airlines got 99.5% of their employees vaccinated after a mandate and Delta got an extra 20% to get their first shot by enacting a $200 monthly health surcharge for those not vaccinated.
  Tyson Foods - mandate began August 3 and only 50% were vaccinated. Now, it's above 90%.
  
  Plenty of data backs up that mandates work just fine. If those people who think a vaccination (despite plenty of others they have had to take since childhood) infringes on their personal freedom, they can go live as outcasts and be free and happy.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  If mandates are working just fine, then what is the problem? Why do we have such unrest over Biden's plan? Why are entire states suing over those same mandates? Why are we still seeing large numbers of COVID?
  
  Why are you insisting that hundreds of thousands of people won't follow the mandates and are the only problem with the plan to force vaccinations?
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see a problem. There is unrest because of stupid, selfish people putting their own interests ahead of the public health. States are suing over the mandates to appease those stupid people in the same way the GOP is catering to the extremists of their party, as they are the loudest and their leadership lacks a backbone to do the right and moral thing. And until we reach herd immunity, Covid will continue to spread and mutate and spread some more.
  
  And as always you venture into your own delusions about something that is not remotely true about what someone else has said. So, we're done here.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  As you know I support being vaccinated. I don't support mandates at this point. I also feel a president has a hard job weighing any given problem or crisis. He offered a few words, a rudimentary three-step plan - 1. Masking 2. Opening schools 3, vaccinating American's. You do realize he has been doing all of this for almost a year. We have a much worse spread of infection, as well as more, have died on his watch. Can I blame one man, no? But am I sick of hearing some say Biden is doing a good job, yes? He has not been aggressive enough with COVID/virus education. He talks at us, not to our intelligence. If more were aware of a few facts about viruses they might be more apt to get vaccinated.
  
  If the truth be told the US just does not have enough information from China on the virus, and should just admit --- they don't know where this virus will go next. At this moment the UK and Germany have a new starting and are having an enormous spread. Just remember how they had DELTA about a month before it hit the US. This new strain will hit us in a short time. Perhaps if more citizens were told the truth about this virus, more would get a vaccine.
  
  Not sure if you remember I did predict we would see the need to vaccinate children if we all did not do our part.
  Well, we are at that point. And in a month we will be in seeing a new increase in cases just as the UK and Germany are now expensing.
  
  The public needs to be educated on what viruses can do, and the fact that this virus will not go away until we do our part. Give some info on viruses, not just words about masks, opening schools. The public needs to be armed with just a bit of virus science. The simple pathways they take, the fact that vaccines are the only way to really slow them down, and ultimately kill them.
  
  I have talked with several friends that were not willing to get the vaccine. When they were armed with just a bit of science they went and got vaccinated.
  
  Biden just does not have what it takes to pull American's together. He talks at one, not to one. He could have put together a task force to really talk science to citizens. He is doing nothing.
  
  His mandates will only add to his problem -- inflation. He just has no common sense to realize that. In Jan we will see people walking off their jobs in protest.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  What the country is not happy with is the inflation caused by the massive giveaways and spending of the left. At least be honest as to the reason.
  
  They are also quite unhappy with Mr Wonderful taking in anyone that manages to cross the Rio Grande and spreading them, at night, across the country. Accept the responsibility for what causes the outrage; it certainly isn't the wall that helps keep them out. It's the policy from the left that Americans are responsible for supporting the world's poor.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  More outright lies. Much of that massive spending occurred prior to Biden winning the election. Putting it in italics won't change it to a truth. When don't you stop making things up?
  
  Not surprising that the right is unhappy with the U.S. following the laws and allowing legitimate asylum claims. Following the law seems to make the right angry these days.
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  Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this
  "More outright lies. Much of that massive spending occurred prior to Biden winning the election. Putting it in italics won't change it to the truth. When don't you stop making things up?"
  
  This is not in any respect true. And we had no signs under Trump at any period of his 4 years. So, perhaps you should put the blame on Biden, IMO where it belongs.
  
  Biden administration has abandoned border security policies totally, and immigration reforms that enabled Trump's administration to turn back the tide of illegal immigration. Which was working...
  
  He has broken historic numbers of immigrants entering into the country that are now awaiting asylum.— People from 160 countries have flocked to the border due to dribbling ridiculous invitations. the world.
  
  The president and vice president have sworn an oath to protect their fellow Americans. Their administration’s immigration policies are undermining homeland security, not only in regards to terrorism but the massive again record-breaking number of drugs that we now are seeing.
  
  You certainly have no problem calling others liars. In my view, this is truely socially unacceptable and uncalled for.
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  Fayetteville Fayeposted 2 years agoin reply to this
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  And the second (unnecessary) "stimulus"? And the "pay to stay home" plan of huge unemployment insurance that was more than most of the recipients earned by working?
  
  Did you forget about those? In particular the paying people to stay home - when purchases are made without accompanying production inflation is the inevitable result. When businesses re-opened and couldn't find employees (all staying home on the free money from Biden) the inevitable result was rising wages...and the inflation that brought about.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Who on the left listened to Trump and then attacked the Capitol? As I noted, there were plenty on the right that listened to Trump and then thought he wanted them to attack Congress. They have claimed that repeatedly in court and in the media.
  
  Who on the left said anything that encouraged rioting? Rioting and violence was committed by opportunists on both sides. The left backed peaceful protests against murdering black people in the streets. Your perceptions of others, as usual, are fabrications.
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  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  No one...no one...can be held responsible for another person that listens and then does the exact opposite of what was requested.
  
  Except, of course, liberals did exactly that. Claiming that Trump spoke in "code" and only the idiot rioters understood the code. Total BS, but swallowed by a great many on the left.
  
  The left backed hundreds of protests that did millions (billions?) of dollars in damage. Some left wing politicians even joined them. Which you know but choose to ignore as it shows the left not only embraces violence but at a far, far greater level than the right ever conceives of.
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Clearly, you have your delusions and nothing those rioters have said that contradicts your false reality will sway you. So be it.
  
  Yes, the left backed peaceful protesting. But only a damned liar would claim they backed violence or rioting.
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  Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You might enjoy this article
  
  https://babylonbee.com/news/buffalo-guy … p-instead/
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  Live to Learnposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  You must be joking. If not, then
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Valeantposted 2 years ago
Getting back on topic, it appears that there still is a foreign movement to amplify talking points supported by the right:

Frank Figliuzzi, the former assistant director for counterintelligence at the FBI, tweeted that of 32,315 pro-Rittenhouse hashtag tweets from November 19–20, 29,609 had disabled geolocation. Of them, 17,701 were listed as “foreign,” and most of those were in Russia, China, and the EU.
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  Foreign influence? If that same result came from a chocolateisthebesticecream hashtag, (we all know chocolate is the official flavor of the Right), would it still be a bad thing?
  
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  Valeantposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  So much misinformation in that post. We all know the right's favorite has to be vanilla. Any neopolitan flavor or options with sprinkles will cause them to head to Charlottesville for a march. :>
  
  Just saying, foreign influencers are leading a large swath of the country. I didn't qualify my post with a good or bad statement, especially since I found the Rittenhouse verdict to be appropriate.
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  GA Andersonposted 2 years agoin reply to this
  No sprinkles, ever. Neopolitan is a choice that never pays off. The strawberry is always the last clump getting freezer-burnt, and some chocolate or vanilla lover always gets shortchanged because there isn't enough of either one.
  
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