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Biden says students are like teachers' children when in classroom
Biden says of students, 'They're all our children'
Biden's statements come at a time when Democrats and Republicans in different states are at odds over whether parents should have control over what their children are taught in school. And yes he could have made this statement "off the cuff, without thinking". But, it also could represent his own view. At any rate, it gives one food for thought.
President Biden told teachers that when in class, children are "like yours" and not anyone else's."
The president's remarks came during a Teacher of the Year event at the White House on Wednesday.
Biden reiterated the statement later in his address.
"You have heard me say it many times about our children, but it is true. They’re all our children. And the reason you are the teachers of the year is because you recognize that," Biden said. "They’re not somebody else’s children. They’re like yours when they’re in the classroom." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … -classroom
Really Joe? I could not disagree more.
Please share your thoughts. If you have children do you feel they become a teacher's children while in their classroom?
Can all teachers be completely trusted to stick to the school's curriculum?
Do you feel teachers have the right to share their own ideologies -- the ideas, ideals, and manner of thinking in the classroom?What happens in a teachers day and what we are responsible for? Are they treated like our children? Yes in the sense that We are responsible for their well-being and safety throughout the day. I was never without extra healthy snacks for the students who regularly were sent in with no snack or lunch. I was never without extra clothing for those who were never adequately prepared for the weather.
Conveying my "ideology" to students never crossed my mind as I was too busy figuring out how to help a struggling, falling behind child grasp grade level math and reading because their parent wasn't putting in the work at home.
These suspicions purposefully ginned up by politicians that teachers have covert agendas makes me absolutely sick.
If parents don't trust their school district And it's teachers they should keep their children at home and homeschool them.
You are with these children 7 hours a day, of course you show kindness, concern and compassion. That doesn't mean you're indoctrinating them. This is really a bridge way too far. Also, again, for any parent who has a school age child who is suspicious of their child's teacher, I would start with asking for a conference. Actually get involved. Teachers are poorly paid and there is a growing shortage. Politicians ridiculous rhetoric is not helping."Yes in the sense that We are responsible for their well-being and safety throughout the day. I was never without extra healthy snacks for the students who regularly were sent in with no snack or lunch. I was never without extra clothing for those who were never adequately prepared for the weather. "
If you have children do you feel they become a teacher's children while in their classroom?
Can all teachers be completely trusted to stick to the school's curriculum? Faye, I think you are blanketing an entire group. Working for many many years, as an RN I can tell you some nurses I have worked with should never of be given a license.
Do you feel teachers have the right to share their own ideologies -- the ideas, ideals, and manner of thinking in the classroom?
."These suspicions purposefully ginned up by politicians that teachers have covert agendas makes me absolutely sick."
I can understand your personal frustration. However, as of late media has been offering some evidence that some teacher due promote their own ideologies. Ideologies that could concern parents.
I asked some questions, I hope if you are a parent you will
answer them as a parent.
I certainly will apologize for insulting you in any way. But, you are an individual, not sure all teachers are identical and conduct themselves as you do."Can all teachers be completely trusted to stick to the school's curriculum?
Who in this world can be absolutely trusted, all of the time to do exactly what they are charged to do? In any profession or job?? The doctor who takes advantage of a patient in many ways. The financial advisor who swindles clients. The dentist who sexually abuses the patient while under the gas, The car mechanic who tells you everything's wrong with your car. Of course you have examples in all areas of life that people stray from their mandate but to cast such a shadow of suspicion and doubt on teachers (or any profession) as a whole is just completely short-sighted and sadly really only serves to undermine the childs education. What profession is next? Who will be on the receiving end of blanket accusations next?
As a parent, I wouldn't take my cues from media about what maybe going on in my child's classroom. I would be involved. My children are LONG since graduated But if I ever had an issue or problem I requested a conference and was never refused The time to talk out any difficulties. I was always a partner with my children's teachers.
These are individual issues between parents and teachers that can be handled very easily At the school level. I do not understand the vindictiveness to cast teachers with such a general and over simplistic view.
As far as children "becoming your own children" while in the classroom that can be interpreted in so many different ways. But like I said yes to the degree that you are responsible for their safety and well-being. I just find it laughable that folks believe even a small minority of teachers want to discuss their personal lives or ideologies with their classrooms.
I always trusted my children's teachers. Conversely I always felt like I had the trust of the parents of the children I taught. I am grateful to be out of the profession in today's political climate.
Do you have personal bad experiences with public school teachers in terms of your own child/children?"Who in this world can be absolutely trusted, all of the time to do exactly what they are charged to do? In any profession or job?? The doctor who takes advantage of a patient in many ways. The financial advisor who swindles clients. The dentist who sexually abuses the patient while under the gas, The car mechanic who tells you everything's wrong with your car".
None of the above are off-limits, and neither are teachers.
" Of course you have examples in all areas of life that people stray from their mandate but to cast such a shadow of suspicion and doubt on teachers (or any profession) as a whole is just completely short-sighted and sadly really only serves to undermine the childs education. What profession is next? Who will be on the receiving end of blanket accusations next?"
Please! Teachers are to educate, they are paid to do a job. I did not blanket the profession, You blanketed the profession and just have once again. I think this is a brewing problem. I brought up a current problem that is being reported almost daily. Today this is being reported By Nation One --- "April 28, 2022
A report using research compiled by One Nation shows that over $46 billion of American Rescue Plan funds have been allocated to implement critical race theory into the school curriculum of 13 states.
According to the research compiled by One Nation, 13 states are currently using ARP funds under the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Fund (ESSER) – billed as a fund to help schools safely reopen after the pandemic – to instead introduce CRT into local schools. The states are as follows:"
https://www.onenationamerica.org/billio … -research/
"As a parent, I wouldn't take my cues from media"
Well, sometimes this may be the only way some parents are made aware.Why is this a brewing problem? Is it a brewing problem in your school district? Teachers are doing a job, they are educating and usually for very little money. I'm sorry I don't find your source credible. If critical race theory has been incorporated into the curriculum of any state please show that state's board of education website with the materials that are being used and publisher. What exact programs are the state's mentioned in your source implementing? It does not specifically identify. When I look at those states board of education websites I see no mention of CRT.
Again I just cannot wrap my head around the idea of standing in front of 6-year-olds and telling them about my personal beliefs or personal life this is just so far-fetched for the great majority of teachers. I don't think you realize the training in practice and ethics to prepare a teacher for the classroom. Let alone the oversight that goes on in each building. Again I'm sorry I think many people who push this narrative are very far from understanding what the reality of the classroom is. I would highly encourage you to get involved in your local school district.
Even if I concede on this issue and say okay you know what You're right. Teachers are predominantly extremely liberal and taking every opportunity that they can to change kids gender, talk about their personal lives as well as every far left idea under the sun. Since you obviously strongly identify as a far right Republican, What is your solution then to the problem at a profession of teaching? Should we have cameras in classrooms, should we have recordings that alert administrators that disallow words have been uttered? Should we just switch to state program robots to teach children? What is the solution then to this raging problem of out of control liberal teachers?
Sounds like you were an excellent teacher, caring about the children and doing what you could to help them.
But if you think some teachers, and schools, aren't pushing a political agenda today, particularly in LGBTQ issues, scan over this lawsuit and think about it.
https://www.washingtonblade.com/content … Claims.pdf
The school and teachers not only actively kept information from parents, they have a special "club" to aid minor children in changing their gender identity.I think this is a hand that should be folded. From Sharlee's details of the quote, I think this is not the Biden-bashing club it looks like, it's a boomerang that's gonna bite folks in the butt.
My perception of it is obviously formed by my school days and that of my children. When I looked at the statement and the context of its use I didn't think of any of the issues you noted.
This wasn't a speech to a liberal Leftist group, intended to preach to the choir of liberal values using code phrases, it was a teacher's award ceremony.
Are your life experiences on this different, (other than that one 'mean' teacher), from mine?
GAYou lost me. The link I posted had nothing to do with Biden, only with teaching kids about liberal perceptions of gender change and then hiding it from parents while actively encouraging young kids to "choose" their gender.
I did not go for a simple Biden bash. Used his gaffe of the day to lead into a brewing current problem. I thought my context was clear.
"Biden says students are like teachers' children when in classroom
Biden says of students, 'They're all our children'
Biden's statements come at a time when Democrats and Republicans in different states are at odds over whether parents should have control over what their children are taught in school. And yes he could have made this statement "off the cuff, without thinking". But, it also could represent his own view. At any rate, it gives one food for thought.
President Biden told teachers that when in class, children are "like yours" and not anyone else's."
I felt my questions spoke loudly about what my thread was truly about.
It seems I was not clear enough.
But you got my drift, as did Faye. However, I think all that left comments posted added to the conversation.That was the point. The issue was the unsupported politicization of the quote. I just can't see any politics in it in the context of a teachers' award ceremony.
I wasn't talking about the validity of your link, or its relevance to Sharlee's post. I am saying the original view posted is wrong. That doesn't mean that it is wrong, it means I think there is support for the claim it is wrong and there is no support for its inferences and implications.
I am struggling to consider that my belief in the innocence of the statement is so wrong. That's why I think the claims made here are dangerously political. As you say, your link had nothing to do with Biden, which is the focus of the OP, so why present it?
GA
Do you really believe that a few examples represent an entire profession of people? If I adhered to that logic I'd probably never be able to go to a doctor, dentist lawyer or even eat in a restaurant for fear of them spitting in my food because you know those stories have been reported.
Teachers have become political scapegoats. They are being sacrificed to gain votes through irrational fear-mongering. And again, teachers certainly are not all progressive in terms of their politics. Are you just as adamantly opposed to ultra conservative teachers forcing students to pray and read the bible in public school?
And other than widely accusing teachers of indoctrinating students, What is the Republican view then and what should be done if this is such a pervasive wide-ranging problem in our public schools today? Republicans certainly are presenting it as so. What is the solution?
Should teachers have content monitors that sit in the classroom to listen to their delivery of the curriculum? How can government get their hand further into the classroom? A classroom camera maybe? A voice recorder that sets off an alarm when suspicious words are detected? Maybe students should just sit in front of computers with lessons programmed by the state. Talk about "1984." And big brother
I really just cannot wrap my head around where these accusations are going.
Vilify the profession of teaching all you want I still feel that parents who are actively involved in their child's education understand what's happening in their classrooms.The problem is that you have repeatedly said it isn't happening, that no one ever shows that it is. But it is happening, and it isn't just a handful of teachers across the nation; it is schools and states doing it. You ask for examples, but then ignore them, complaining that it is an attack on all teachers, but it isn't; it is an attack on that minority of teachers teaching their own agenda.
"Are you just as adamantly opposed to ultra conservative teachers forcing students to pray and read the bible in public school?"
Absolutely. I was shocked recently to see the courts approve a football coach that, at every game, proceeded to the center of the field to pray. The excuse is that he was exercising his freedom of religion, and for some reason had to do it in the most public place he could find.I have repeatedly asked for textbook examples. Examples in state board of education websites that talk about teaching changing genders. I have looked myself and found none. The instances that have been brought up on this forum are stories of teachers veering from the curriculum not examples of them teaching an adopted curriculum on gender reassignment or identity. I could go back 30 years and find examples of rogue teachers as well as examples from every profession under the sun where a worker chose to either break the law or stray from their mandate.
Again if you'd like to blanket teachers as all terrible liberals who have an agenda of indoctrinating children then have at it. I don't understand what your solution is then?
Maybe public school should look to hire only conservative teachers? Since you think this is so rampant what is the solution? Governor DeSantis has opened up the ability for parents to sue teachers when they see fit. This seems like a nice opportunity for some parents to make some extra cash. Do you think that's a good solution? Will that help our shortage of teachers? Also, since you think that this is such a raging problem, how did it become so? When did it become such a problem? Teachers became more liberal? Do teachers all share a trait that makes them want to indoctrinate children?
I hope that the next time a politician needs to score some cheap political points they don't target your profession as a way to do it.
This is a perfect example of Sharlee's idea (And it is a valid one) of creating problems that don't exist or exist on the pervasive level you're lead to believe.Somehow you seem to have decided that anyone recognizing a very real problem also expands that problem to include everyone that touches it.
This is not true (IMO); it would be the rare person that thinks every, or even most, or even a large minority of teachers think it wise to teach gender reassignment to young children.
As to how to stop it - it might help to remove curriculum from the clutches of the feds. It is far easier to convince just one entity to teach something than it is to convince every state, with widely varying cultures, the same thing.
That would leave the unfortunate children in states like California (where my link came from) being subjected to such abuse, but better that than the country.Curriculum is controlled at the state level by the state's board of education. They adopt the learning standards for the state. The districts within the state must choose the curriculum within and respect to those guidelines. Again I have not seen any state board of education adopt such a curriculum.
federal law prohibits the federal government from getting involved in state and local decisions about curriculum. Most cited Section 8526A of the major federal education statute, the Every Student Succeeds Act (ESSA), which states:
"No officer or employee of the Federal Government shall, through grants, contracts, or other cooperative agreements, mandate, direct, or control a State, local educational agency, or school’s specific instructional content, academic standards and assessments, curricula, or program of instruction developed and implemented to meet the requirements of this Act."
It is worth noting that 8526A is just one of multiple provisions throughout ESSA where Congress made clear that the federal government has no jurisdiction regarding curriculum.
Further, Congress has drawn this bright line in other federal education laws. The General Education Provisions Act (GEPA), which includes various statutes that govern U.S. Department of Education programs and functions, also prohibits any “direction, supervision, or control” by federal officials over “curriculum, program of instruction” or “selection of library resources, textbooks, or other printed or published instructional materials.” Indeed, in the very founding of the U.S. Department of Education itself, Congress included similar prohibitions about curriculum in the Department of Education Organization Act (DOA).
We need to stop this hyped up nonsense about teachers indoctrinating students. This is pure political theater.'Curriculum is controlled at the state level by the state's board of education. They adopt the learning standards for the state. The districts within the state must choose the curriculum within and respect to those guidelines. Again I have not seen any state board of education adopt such a curriculum. "
So, do all teachers adhere to the curriculum? Can we blanket all teachers under that follow a curriculum, and do not share their own ideologies?
"We need to stop this hyped up nonsense about teachers indoctrinating students. This is pure political theater."
Is it hyping up nonsense to point out some parents are currently having complaints that teachers are sharing ideologies they may fine
objective? I noted you did not address my article. It would seem we certainly have a problem that has gone beyond what it was.
https://www.onenationamerica.org/billio … -research/
Billions in Pandemic Relief Funds Used to Implement CRT: One Nation Research
April 28, 2022
A bombshell report using research compiled by One Nation shows that over $46 billion of American Rescue Plan funds have been allocated to implement critical race theory into the school curriculum of 13 states.
Fox News: California, New York, Illinois used COVID-19 relief funds to push CRT in schools
According to the research compiled by One Nation, 13 states are currently using ARP funds under the Elementary and Secondary School Emergency Relief Fund (ESSER) – billed as a fund to help schools safely reopen after the pandemic – to instead introduce CRT into local schools. The states are as follows:
California: $15.1 billion
New York: $9 billion
Illinois: $5.1 billion
Michigan: $3.7 billion
New Jersey: $2.8 billion
Virginia: $2.1 billion
Washington: $1.9 billion
Massachusetts: $1.8 billion
Minnesota: $1.3 billion
Connecticut: $1.1 billion
Nevada: $1.1 billion
Oregon: $1.1 billion
Rhode Island: $415.1 millionI did though, I went through some of the state board of education websites for the states listed and found nothing that indicates CRT, which is a law school course, Will be implemented. I found no books or other materials that were slated to be used that in any way related to CRT.
I will include the link to New York's plans probably the most liberal state on the list and you can take a look at what you think. They detail how they are going to allocate the money.
"State DOE officials on Thursday denied that any funding went toward implementing CRT, saying the notion was “patently false.”
The department said its funds were put toward, in part, bringing back kids safely for in-person classes and addressing the disproportionate impact of COVID on economically disadvantaged students, children with disabilities, English learners, racial and ethnic minorities, migrant students, students experiencing homelessness, and children and youth in foster care.
https://nystateofpolitics.com/state-of- … ace-theory
https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/ … lion-state
For sure. Just theater when courts cases are filed protesting the school's actions. (Did you read the court case, very plainly showing that gender identity IS being taught?)
I would disagree.
"This is a perfect example of Sharlee's idea (And it is a valid one) of creating problems that don't exist or exist on the pervasive level you're lead to believe."
The content of my thread did not point to any one problem, such as curriculum on gender, CRT, or any one problem.
My context was clear and kept very simple. My questions were direct.
The essence of my comment was --- do teachers have the right to feel our children are their children and do they then have the right to share their ideologies.
I opened with a meme of Biden with a foot in his mouth, I offered his quotes, and quickly vered away from the outer by saying -- And yes he could have made this statement "off the cuff, without thinking". But, it also could represent his own view. At any rate, it gives one food for thought
I thoroughly explained why his statement was coming at a bad time...
-" Biden's statements come at a time when Democrats and Republicans in different states are at odds over whether parents should have control over what their children are taught in school. And yes he could have made this statement "off the cuff, without thinking". But, it also could represent his own view. At any rate, it gives one food for thought."
I then asked offered my one-sentence view, and direct clear
questions ---
The essence of my question was looking for what parents felt about teachers possibly overstepping their boundaries in regards to teaching or sharing their own ideologies.
"Please share your thoughts. If you have children do you feel they become a teacher's children while in their classroom?
Can all teachers be completely trusted to stick to the school's curriculum?
Do you feel teachers have the right to share their own ideologies -- the ideas, ideals, and manner of thinking in the classroom?"
I can see you have taken my thread as well as my question as being an attack on the profession. I did not in any respect do so. I did not blanket your profession in any respect. I did shine a light on a current conflict that is going on.
This is a political forum. I certainly feel you have the right to add to the subject as you have, I respect that. I respect that GA also added his perspective, as well as Islandbites...
But I don't feel that I created a problem by posting a thread that is political, is controversial. And the problem may exist or not exist.
I was looking for answers to my questions. It is clear few cared to answer them. This in itself says a lot. And It answered a couple of indirect questions, about what people feel comfortable discussing about the subject, and that perhaps no one really cares about the subject at this point.That's a fair and accurate explanation, maybe I drew the wrong inferences from your statements.
It was probably that I read an inference that you were tying the current issues you mentioned to "Biden's own view," and that you couldn't disagree more. I don't see that connection. *shrug
GAThe essence of my question was looking for what parents felt about teachers possibly overstepping their boundaries in regards to teaching or sharing their own ideologies."
Of course in any professional arena there's a possibility of someone overstepping their boundaries. I think a lot of parents probably don't understand the safeguards that are in place within the building And just how seriously they are taken. Teachers are constantly being evaluated in terms of their alignment with curriculum. There is continuous collaboration between administrators and teachers within the building in a joint effort on what is called "curriculum mapping". In addition, students are systematically and continually evaluated against learning targets directly related to curriculum delivery. Huge red flags go up when your students aren't meeting targets. Student outcomes and curriculum are completely aligned.
Lastly, there is a code of ethics that is taught throughout our education and strongly adhered to and advanced by administrators within buildings.
Can all teachers be completely trusted to stick to the school's curriculum?"
This is what really got me! To undermine trust in teachers is to undermine your child's education. Yes there are bad apples. As with any profession. But I can say with the great deal of certainty that great precautions and procedures are in place within every building with the child's education based on stye standards and safety are the utmost concern.
"Do you feel teachers have the right to share their own ideologies -- the ideas, ideals, and manner of thinking in the classroom?"
No they do not and the code of ethics prohibits it. Sharing opinions, your personal life or ideologies would be a violation of your contract and again you would be fired. But just in terms of common sense why do people want to believe a teacher would want to share these things with children?
If parents today, are so suspicious of their child's teachers my best advice to them is to have regular contact. I always had time before the day began or after the day ended (unpaid of course) to meet with any parent to address concerns or answer questions. Get to know your child's teacher.
https://www.nea.org/resource-library/co … -educatorsI don't care about one bad apple... My questions asked simply asked for a hypothetical view.
And all teachers respect this?--- No they do not and the code of ethics prohibits it. Sharing opinions, your personal life or ideologies would be a violation of your contract and again you would be fired.
" But just in terms of common sense why do people want to believe a teacher would want to share these things with children?"
Again you did not react to this article that offers --- A report using research compiled by One Nation shows that over $46 billion of American Rescue Plan funds have been allocated to implement critical race theory into the school curriculum of 13 states.
Illinois school district unveils curriculum teaching preschoolers about sexual orientation, gender identity
Lessons include teaching pre-K students vocabulary words such as ‘non-binary' An Illinois school district this month is having schools teach about sexual orientation and gender study, including projects and lessons for preschoolers.
The dedicated curriculum is part of Evanston/Skokie School District 65’s LGBTQ+ Equity Month, which is one of several special units the school features, along with Latinx Heritage Month and Black Lives Matter at School Week of Action.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-sch … r-identity
Here is a link to the Curriculum --- https://sites.google.com/district65.net … quity-week
Curiculum for kindergarten.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Nh … PiIUQ/edit
https://kesq.com/news/2022/03/28/crt-in … ly-biased/
https://nypost.com/2022/04/08/nj-kids-t … urriculum/
My questions are pertinent that many parents may need to consider due to some schools are pushing to include ideologies that might object to
All your advice is well taken, and very sensible in regard to parents being involved in their children's education.A school's adopted curriculum should not be a mystery to a parent. Of the school district that you mentioned, I am positive that parents had ample opportunity to look over the curriculum, attend board meetings and give input. School districts do not adopt curriculum in secret. Most new curriculum can take a year or more. During that time there are countless meetings. Did the parents in that district object? Or were they accepting of the curriculum as it was explained through the process?
I would suggest that all parents are active in attending meetings when any new curriculum is up for adoption. These meetings are usually devoid of parents. When our district decided to change out its old math curriculum and textbook in favor of the Saxon method, I don't think there were more than five parents that ever showed up for meetings to learn what it was all about. The next year when it was implemented there was huge outrage over The pedagogy. Parents hated the new and foreign methods to teach math. Although the Saxon program is highly rated and supported by research, We were receiving a flood of complaints and anger. But parents had every opportunity to voice their opinion and did not. So, parents acting surprised when a curriculum is implemented doesn't hold water with me. Again, it's involvement.
But I applaud you for finding these links and it's Spurs me to look further into what these lessons really look like. On just a very basic surface level this looks like an incredibly diverse district. I'm guessing that drove the decision for this type of curriculum. But again it is also not CRT in any form. I think CRT has become The word or phrase used to denote diversity or inclusion activities that really don't relate to the principles of CRT at all.
If you have looked further at the specific lessons please let me know what you find objectionable.Here we are once again back at curriculum, and parents supporting a curriculum.
Faye, you have spun my OP into another animal... An entirely different subject. One that yes, you have made a good case.
But my OP was created to obtain what parents felt about teachers having the right to share their own personal ideologies. Whether it be in regards to religion, sex education, Gender, CRT, etc.
Just a thread to see what others thought about the subject matter of my OP. Should teachers be allowed to share their ideologies with our children? Not a poly to as you put it ---"This is a perfect example of Sharlee's idea (And it is a valid one) of creating problems that don't exist or exist on the pervasive level you're lead to believe."
There is a problem, and I did not wish to offer examples, I respect most here realize this problem is occurring to some extent. I never would have provided examples until pushed to prove my point that some teachers are sharing ideologies in our K-12. My OP was short and precise.
I think most here would agree this has gone on for decades at the university level.
My inquiry more or less asked, should it be allowed to spill into K - 12? Because it is at this point?
It well appears a subject that users do not want to answer my questions. That tells me a lot. So, my OP in away was fruitful."Just a thread to see what others thought about the subject matter of my OP. Should teachers be allowed to share their ideologies with our children? I think most here would agree this has gone on for decades at the university level."
I must have grabbed that quote while you were editing. But the message didn't change.
If I am on the right track now, the simple answer is a non-partisan, non-lean 'no'. Subjects should match the maturity level of the kids. Overt 'university-level ' bias influence of any kind is not appropriate for 6-year-olds.
I don't think the conservatives' slogan-phrase examples, (like my "6-year-olds' one), are right. I don't think the CRT or gender-identification claims, (et al.), are either official or organized programs. But, I do think the anecdotal examples and the degree of individual bias in those examples is a legitimate worry for us Conservatives.
They're coming. They're probing. They're picking off the weak. Damn, right I'm not okay with that camel's nose under the tent. (sarcasm?)
GA" I never would have provided examples until pushed to prove my point that some teachers are sharing ideologies in our K-12."
The examples you provided our examples of curriculum materials adopted by a specific school district. They are not examples of a teacher sharing their own ideology. Although I certainly do not disagree that there are cases in which this happens. The district curriculum you linked above was adopted through a process and teachers would be contractually bound to delivering that curriculum. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point.
Every district has a curriculum department. They make curriculum choices And those choices are then sent to the board of education. Teachers aren't involved in choosing curriculum.
The curriculum examples also are definitely not CRT.
CRT is a framework that considers the impact of historical laws and social structures on the present-day perpetuation of racial inequality used in legal analyses.
These aren't elementary school concepts.
I think I've pretty thoroughly answered my perception of what you were asking? From my point of view anyway.
I do not think teachers ideologies are spilling into the classroom these days anymore than they ever have and I do not think CRT is a part of instruction. I do think that the term "CRT" Is used As a catch all for any sort of exercise that may deal with diversity or inclusion. I feel the term is bandied about quite loosely and it's used to fear monger and confuse."I do not think teachers ideologies are spilling into the classroom these days anymore than they ever have and I do not think CRT is a part of
instruction. "
I never claimed to what extent teachers were sharing their ideologies, read my OP It's straightforward.
Biden says students are like teachers' children when in classroom
Biden says of students, 'They're all our children"
Biden's statements come at a time when Democrats and Republicans in different states are at odds over whether parents should have control over what their children are taught in school. And yes he could have made this statement "off the cuff, without thinking". But, it also could represent his own view. At any rate, it gives one food for thought.
President Biden told teachers that when in class, children are "like yours" and not anyone else's."
The president's remarks came during a Teacher of the Year event at the White House on Wednesday.
Biden reiterated the statement later in his address.
"You have heard me say it many times about our children, but it is true. They’re all our children. And the reason you are the teachers of the year is because you recognize that," Biden said. "They’re not somebody else’s children. They’re like yours when they’re in the classroom." https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- … -classroom
Really Joe? I could not disagree more.
Please share your thoughts. If you have children do you feel they become a teacher's children while in their classroom?
Can all teachers be completely trusted to stick to the school's curriculum?
Do you feel teachers have the right to share their own ideologies -- the ideas, ideals, and manner of thinking in the classroom?
These questions could literally be yes or no...
Ultimately My OP has nothing to do with curriculum,, I made no mention of curriculum --- I did not even point to a given ideology. I was referring to teachers that decide to go rough and share their ideologies with other students.
Ya know what you missed the point of my OP. You have taken my OP down a path I don't care to go.Haven't there always been rogue people in various occupations? People who go over the boundaries set by their profession? Won't there always be rogue actors in various occupations? I think there always have been and they're always will be but I don't think that there are an increasing number of teachers currently that push ideologies to students. I feel fairly certain that teachers who do venture into expressing personal ideological opinions or other personal details are dealt with pretty swiftly and harshly.
Your original post can't be answered without tying it into curriculum because curriculum is what makes a school tick. Curriculum is the teachers mandate. It's the script, if you will.
I don't have any idea what President Biden meant by his comments but I do know for a fact that a teacher is contractually forbidden to share opinions with students.
You mentioned that partisans are at odds with who should control a child's education. If not for highly educated administrators and teachers, then who? Parents already do have quite a bit of input they are able to have within a public school building. What more should they be given? Especially when most don't even exercise the opportunity to have input."I think there always have been and they're always will be but I don't think that there are an increasing number of teachers currently that push ideologies to students"
I agree... My OP did not really mention the extent teachers were sharing their idelogies. Just a more or less "what if" scenario.
"Your original post can't be answered without tying it into curriculum because curriculum is what makes a school tick. Curriculum is the teachers mandate. It's the script, if you will."
Again you are saying or blanketing all teachers --- I think I can say "some" teachers don't always follow a curriculum, and could share their own ideologies. I don't in any way feel all teacher follow a script.Teachers are an easy target unfortunately for politicians to exploit for political theater and outrage. Solving a problem that isn't there. Many parents don't understand the workings of public education. Many parents aren't involved in their child's education. And also the appeal is to folks who have children that graduated 30 years ago and therefore have not been involved in a public school since that time.
But if I agree that there are a certain number of teachers who feel the need to share their ideologies, personal feelings or opinions, What percent are sharing ultra liberal thoughts versus far right views? How many teachers are sharing evangelical views?
But again, if this is such an issue as a certain Republicans are portraying it to be, then what is the solution? Is it political theater to gain votes or is it a real problem that needs a solution?. I have not heard any solutions Just scaremongering.
You know what I find very ironic? Is the shift to "parental involvement in education" back when I began teaching, We allowed parent helpers in the classroom. Parents were welcomed in to quiz spelling words, math facts and have children read to them. It was a wonderful time and very helpful. As the years went by the involvement was cut down through district administration and I believe this happened throughout the country. Why? We were finding that parents were sharing views and discussing things they shouldn't have been with students. Parents couldn't be supervised directly with students and issues of course arised. In the past we took so many more field trips also and we had parents chaperone and even drive. That was eliminated because parents were using poor judgment with students in their cars, language and smoking. That's just my example from my own experience of what's happened in public education through the years. It has really moved to protect the student in every way possible."Teachers are an easy target unfortunately for politicians to exploit for political theater and outrage. " I can agree, as well they go after Teacher's unions
"But again, if this is such an issue as a certain Republicans are portraying it to be, then what is the solution? "
Not sure about solutions? I pretty much feel some states like Florida will try to make laws to prevent whatever they are feeling is inappropriate to be thought in K-12.More government just reaching their hands into everything. Really where they don't belong. Politicians are not educators.
Also, with all the discussion around free speech these days I'm wondering that when a teacher has been accused of sharing some sort of offending opinion that the free speech argument will be used. Just like the football coach who will have his free speech case heard in the Supreme Court for assembling his team in prayer.
I would think that in Florida, certainly now that Governor DeSantis has allowed parents to sue teachers, They would be headed for the same defense. We are on an interesting slippery slope with this one.
Take the politics of current issues out of your consideration of that statement: " . . . students are like teachers' children when in classroom . . . They're all our children"
In that non-political view, there is nothing about that statement I would disagree with. I'm a 'Mayberry man', (a snicker and nod to Cred), so I think Biden is right.
The context of the setting also fits. I would not have expected you to have an issue with it, unless . . .
. . . you're inserting politics into your interpretation. If so, just say what you mean.
GAGA, I Used Biden's newsworthy words to open a controversial conversation and to ask a few questions.
Biden in my view panders to whoever he is in front of. That is where his words most likely came from.
SharAnd you did start that conversation. And you can see that I think it is controversial. It's wrong, so endorsing it will be controversial.
It's all good, I'm just challenging that view, not that you hold it.
I agree his words were chosen to pander to that teachers' group, but that doesn't turn the statement into what is being inferred.
GA
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