All Eyes on Wisconsin, so let's give the Rightwinger a black eye!

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   Credence2posted 2 years ago

   Background
   
   https://www.npr.org/2023/04/04/11678150 … wicz-kelly
   
   This is good news as fascism and it designs on American life has taken a setback in Wisconsin. This loser, Kelly, will not accept that he has lost and the Republican dominated legislature is talking about impeaching Ms. Protasiewicz before she has even taken office. We can now dispense with the rightwing junta of a court currently in place. After all, the people have spoken. These Republicans are disgusting tyrants ready to arrogantly overrule the votes of the majority. Wherever and however I can defeat them and their ultimate objective, I am on board. Hope springs eternal that more Americans will come to their senses about the true nature of Republicans and the conservative-MAGAright
   
   Why does the Right believe that they have the option of overruling the desire of the majority of the voting public?

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      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      "the Republican dominated legislature is talking about impeaching Ms. Protasiewicz before she has even taken office."
      
      Didn't know you could impeach a supreme court justice, even a state one.  But it would seem that Republicans learned the lesson Democrats taught them, and learned it quickly.  Impeach ASAP, and if that doesn't work, impeach again.
      
      "Why does the Right believe that they have the option of overruling the desire of the majority of the voting public?"
      
      Perhaps for the same reasons the Left did when they tried to remove a Republican President.
      
      This is all in line with my comments and feelings at the time; Democrats where teaching the country that the will of the people doesn't matter; only party power.

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         Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         "Didn't know you could impeach a supreme court justice, even a state one."
         
         Not before she can even take her seat and without cause? The same was not true with neither Clinton or Trump.
         
         The Republicans are a dastardly tyrannical and despotic organization. They threaten to impeach this woman before she even takes the job as the manner to have her removed because their preferred choice did not win. Never mind what it was that the people of Wisconsin chose. Woe be it to democracy if this GOP gang of bastards are allowed to prevail.

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            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Now, now.  Cries went out from the lefties hating Trump to impeach him before he even won the election.  Pretty "dastardly tyrannical and despotic" if you ask me, and exactly what you are complaining right wingers are doing. 
            
            They learn quickly, don't they?  If you build a glass house, and then throw bricks, expect to have your windows broken.

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      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why is it "fascism"?
      
      "Republicans are disgusting tyrants ready to arrogantly overrule the votes of the majority."
      
      Fascism is defined in Mirriam-Webster as, “A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.”
      
      OK, so America First, MAGA, that meets the Nationalism part, to a degree.
      
      But the Central Organization, Big Government, social regimentation, forcible suppression of opposition... that all falls under the Democrat wing today.
      
      Forced Equity, forced acceptance of Men in Women's Spaces and Sports, forced accepting of a Man that identifies as a Woman, and the labeling of Opposition as Terrorists and #1 Threats to Democracy... are these not examples of a heavy handed and extreme government?
      
      The ideology of the Progressive movement has significant similarities to the psychology of cults, I see thinly veiled tolerance of opinions that do not fall in line with acceptance for their extremism more and more often in these forums.
      
      What is the goal of the Progressive's war on religion, capitalism, police (law and order), Sex (Man and Woman), the First and Second Amendment?
      
      Why do Progressives' constantly push reminders of racism, discrimination, gender bias, xenophobia, and homophobia?
      
      Is it required for a mindset of victimhood to spring eternal, perpetual so that it cannot fade from the cult member’s memory, must they forever and constantly be at war against some wrong?
      
      I am just curious, because the sentiments I see more and more often from folks in these forums from the "Progressive" side seem a lot less tolerant and a lot less civil then I recall them being a few years back.

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         Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         "OK, so America First, MAGA, that meets the Nationalism part, to a degree."
         
         And for many factions that the Republican Party quietly associates with, race as well.
         
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         Big government not is not necessarily autocratic, that is a Rightwing fantasy. I see all the other descriptions of fascism fitting the Republicans, who would dare try to undermine the Constitutional political process?
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         "Why do Progressives' constantly push reminders of racism, discrimination, gender bias, xenophobia, and homophobia?"
         
         When you stop practicing them maybe we won't have to continue to remind you, but until then....
         
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         "Is it required for a mindset of victimhood to spring eternal, perpetual so that it cannot fade from the cult member’s memory, must they forever and constantly be at war against some wrong?"
         
         Because You continue to do wrong, right wing racist and terrorist groups have been emboldened and incidents have increased over the last few years. Who is going to deny that?
         
         For instance in regard to former Black ownership of Manhattan Beach near Los Angeles.
         
         "Recognition and ownership of the direct and deliberate government actions to dispossess Black people of property are important to counter the white supremacist narrative that the economic condition that Black people find themselves in today is the result of cultural or behavioral factors. Rather, the persistence of Black poverty and the racial wealth gap have a primary cause — decades of government policy and actions to deprive Black people of the ability to own property and build wealth.
         
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         Perhaps, things have become more ugly, but the Rightwinger and their continued infractions has acted as an accelerant. You see it one way while I see the hard Right as becoming less evenhanded over the same time.

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            Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Civil discourse has become more ugly, that was the point.
            
            You had excellent examples of behavior that was legitimately disagreeable, regardless of party affiliation, all you had to do is elaborate as to why this Justice's efforts were so awful.
            
            That does not require a statement like this:
            "Republicans are disgusting tyrants ready to arrogantly overrule the votes of the majority."
            
            That individual was tyrannical perhaps, arrogant perhaps, and abusing his authority and position perhaps.  That does not make all Republicans the same as him.
            
            By making that statement, only those that have bought in to your "cult" or agree with your perception of Republicans are going to give any credence to your words.  The rest are going to consider you biased, extreme, or worse.
            
            Admittedly, you have bad examples currently, Biden says pretty much the same thing, only he is addressing the entire nation when doing so.
            
            On a side note, I have been watching "Is that black enough for you?" on Netflix, I have been watching it in doses of 20 minutes or so, as its one of those documentaries that make me consider things, you might like it.

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               Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I told Sharlee that I got over the top sensationalist on this story and for that I apologize.
               
               There are many people that are having problems with Republicans and the hardening of rightwing principles and values before their very eyes. They constitute more than just a cult, but represent certain constituencies of voters
               
               Yes, I am caustic and strong, but I witness the changes in the political positioning of the GOP and see where the changes are leading.
               
               I don't see a great deal of "moderation" from the other side and I don't bring knives to gunfights.
               
               When I attack Republicans I need to be objective and rational and there are plenty of their initiatives I can address in that manner.
               
               I find Republicans far more troublesome than Democrats in most every aspect that I consider crucial, I don't hide it and you are certainly aware of that.
               
               I don't have Netflix but I will search and find whatever example there is of the program.....
               
               Thanks

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                  Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  Have they hardened?
                  
                  Or have more social norms been challenged?
                  
                  Discussions of sexual orientations with kids as young as preschoolers... is this something new, or evidence of "hardening" Republicans?
                  
                  Society now required to accept men as women, because they identify as a woman... is this something new, or evidence of "hardening" Republicans?
                  
                  We are literally in battles from State to State over Gender-affirming surgery on children being a right or being child abuse.  Something new or "hardening" Republicans?
                  
                  Now let me concede to you... issues of concern, where I concur, there is "hardening" or regression.
                  
                  Abortion... the Supreme Court kicked it back to the States, in effect, they made it legal to make abortion illegal.... if governing bodies of any state choose to do so.
                  
                  Jan 6... especially as it was presented by our hyperbolic MSM, certainly concerning. 
                  
                  
                  It seems we have examples of this conflict of ideologies abounding today.
                  
                  Disney promises its focus in future movies be LGTBQ centric and they get involved in local politics... yeah that's a leap from the norm.
                  
                  Famous celebrities coming out and ruining their careers over political beliefs or to push an agenda, like Jussie Smollett who lied to police claiming he was a victim of a racist, homophobic assault.
                  
                  Equity... and let me say that is a must read, in depth, Biden's EO and the impact it is going to have on every government agency and office. 
                  
                  I don't have any answers for it... speaking on my perspective, we have hit the point of insanity, that is what we are now arguing over.  Children having sex changes, men able to compete as women, forced equity disregarding merit or ability... crazy.

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                     Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Well, Ken social norms and mores  are not set in stone There was a time when "the display of "a little stocking" was shocking, so let's  misbehave".
                     
                     I can't speak in favor of a lot of the gender bender issues but I can speak about book burning censorship. Tracking women over abortion inducing medications. Doubling down on oppression and control at every level.
                     
                     So, it is a matter of opinion as to what is out of control. You have expressed more often that women are being coerced into not accepting traditional gender roles. What do you reveal about yourself, here? I see you as a person  who could well subscribe to the idea that most on the outside of the corridors of power, should "stay in their place".
                     
                     Disney is part of the community with thousands of employees, why are they not entitled to a voice or opinion?
                     
                     The Smollett case is the exception rather than the rule and is a poor example.
                     
                     I will have to read Biden's executive order and see if it is the 5 alarm fire the conservatives are whining about?
                     
                     Nobody has answers, Ken. The reality is that time changes space, it is always naive to think that things are not going to change with time and that values and concepts that you revere has often been proven as disadvantageous for many.
                     
                     So, correction has always and continues to be made.

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                        Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        Does that reply really answer the question?
                        
                        Have Republicans hardened and become more extreme?
                        
                        Or has the speed and severity of change increased?
                        
                        How far is too far?
                        
                        How much should be enforced upon others to bear by government?

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      Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      First not sure if this is a victory for the Dems in any sense. Due to  Wisconsin has been a swing state for decades — where voters waver between electing Republicans and Democrats — since at least the mid-20th century, according to experts.  Appears to me the majority spoke, and all is well in a state where we see fluctuation in regard to who wins elections. 
      
      I have read the link --- where is your beef? Looks to me like the loser bowed out. Yes with a couple of sour grape words.
      
      "In his concession speech to supporters in Green Lake, Wis., Kelly had sharp words for Protasiewicz, saying she had "demeaned the judiciary" with her campaign.
      
      "I respect the decision that the people of Wisconsin have made," Kelly said. "But I think this does not end well."

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         Credence2posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Ok, Sharlee, I got ahead of myself, the Rightwinger sticks in my craw so much. There is only one GOP candidate running for office that has threatened to impeach the new judge using the Wisconsin GOP veto proof majority. But our new judges will ungerrymand the counties, reducing the GOP level of influence that does not correlated with the will of people of that state. And I think that the Republicans will fight tooth and nail, but to no avail.

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            Sharlee01posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            It would be a step back for democracy if the Republican majority lawmakers go after a Supreme Court judge that was the people's choice. Of course, unless she did something that stood out by law as an impeachable issue.
            
            Respecting the majority is important in our system, it offers balances and works in the long run. Yes with bumps...
            
            I think it has become clear our democracy is hanging by a thread and
            that there is a lack of common respect on both sides. This is too bad because this form of mindset serves as a great atmosphere for hate to grow.

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