Multiculturalism in America-Good or Evil

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   gmwilliamsposted 2 months ago

   
   Do you feel that multiculturalism is beneficial or totally detrimental to American society?  Do you believe that multiculturalism will eventually destroy the quality of life in American society?   Do you believe that America was much better when people assimilated to the prevailing American culture, agenda, & ethos?   Your thoughts on this subject?

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Multiculturalism is what America was built on and will always be our strength. Assimilation does not mean you give up your history and individualism. It means there some things you must learn to survive here, such as learning English, which is not easy and takes time.

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         wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

         "Assimilation does not mean you give up your history and individualism."
         
         Very true, and multiculturalism can, and does, add greatly to our culture.
         
         At the same time, however, some aspects are detrimental in the extreme.  Creating a celebration over a minor battle in another country and bringing it to the US (while celebrating it only in the city it occurred) as a slap in the face to the gringos, is harmful to everyone involved.
         
         Preventing school children from flying the United States flag on their vehicle because the "immigrants" might be offended is harmful to everyone involved.
         
         Refusal to learn the national language, to the point that we have virtually become a bi-lingual country, is harmful, not beneficial.
         
         Keeping evil, violent behavior towards women because that's the norm where immigrants came from is very harmful.
         
         Demanding that the laws of other nations be observed, with priority over our laws, is harmful.  (Sharia law, for example).
         
         Such things are not uncommon, particularly along our southern border.

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            gmwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Excellent points made.

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      Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      America was not built on multiculturalism, it was built on a set of ideals and a revolutionary form of government.  It was built on the Christian faith and capitalist ideals free from central banking.
      
      The America that exists today, especially under the guidance of the Biden Administration, is almost the complete opposite of what the Nation was founded on/for and what the Founding Fathers hoped to accomplish.
      
      To be fair, they lived in a world that did not have electricity, industry, or any of the modern convenances we take for granted today.
      
      They lived in a world run by hard labor, where ships sailing the seas were considered with dread for fear of piracy and slavery when they were seen in the distance... in America, what you could not defend and protect by means of arms you were likely to lose at any time to someone who had those means.

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         gmwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

         +1000000000, THANK YOU.    Ken, do you feel that multiculturalism will eventually destroy America?

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            Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I watched this brief interview today and came to the conclusion that if America is not yet dead, it is in its dying throws. 
            
            I Have Good News & Bad News for the West | Bret Weinstein
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EcsO-MoltE
            
            The people that control the government do not look to the Constitution for guidance, they look to find away around it, or to do away with it.
            
            If the people sworn to protect and defend the Constitution are the ones working the hardest to eliminate or work around it, what chance does the country have to continue to be the land of Freedom and Opportunity?
            
            They want to do away with the 1st and 2nd Amendments... they have already shown complete disregard for them, they actively worked with Social Media sites and MSM to suppress free speech and those voices that would dissent.
            
            They have rounded up thousands of Americans and locked them away, for supporting Trump.  They have created and fabricated dozens of nonsensical charges against the former President in their kangaroo courts to find him guilty over and over again.
            
            They have made Elon Musk, the Thomas Edison & Nikola Telsa of our generation, enemy #2, right behind Trump, for standing for ideals that made this country special.
            
            The only thing they haven't done, yet, is come for you and me... the ones that aren't quite as active in this fight... the ones not yet willing to risk everything they own, including their lives, to fight the evil in control of our nation today.
            
            And because of that, we may soon be facing our generations version of this:
            
            
            
            There were a great many of these "Democrats" that wanted to do similar to people who didn't want to take a vaccine.
            
            MSNBC’s Brzezinski: People Are Dying Because Of Donald Trump And His ‘Evil Allies On Cable News’
            
            https://rumble.com/vk1zat-msnbcs-brzezi … l-all.html

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               wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

               "First, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out.
               
               Then they came for the trade unionists, and I wasn’t a trade unionist, so I didn’t speak out.
               
               Then they came for the Jews.
               I wasn’t a Jew so I didn’t speak out.
               
               Then they came for me,
               and there was no one to speak for me.”
               
               To be completely fair, though, one must realize that to a great many Trump is the devil incarnate, come to destroy all of us.  He is the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler, Genghis Khan and Joseph Stalin all rolled into one body.  Anything that the even might remove him from our politics, and preferable put him behind bars, is not only acceptable but laudable regardless of any morality, ethical or legal concerns.  Such people do not think rationally.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  That is very true, and that is a very real problem.
                  
                  Clearly this mindset, this perception of Trump, has been fostered upon us with great intent and effort, by our own MSM, by those individuals willing to do anything and everything to control DC.
                  
                  It goes beyond Trump, it goes to anyone who supports him.  This was something that became evident in these forum threads over the last few years, often including anyone that makes the mistake of not condemning him. There are many that hold the mindset that those who support Trump are not worth listening to, or treating with dignity, they are an enemy that must be eliminated.
                  
                  This messaging has been repeated so often, it is no longer alarming, or jarring, and that perhaps is the greatest indicator of how perilous the times ahead may soon become.

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            Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I will take another stab at this, if I may, thanks in part to Sharlee's reply.
            
            Multiculturalism is not the problem, it never was.
            
            There was a time hundreds of years ago, when whites were not just whites, they were German and English and Irish and Dutch... and they were just as discriminated against for those differences then as people feel discrimination exists today.
            
            In truth, there is nothing today that compares to the discrimination that existed back then.  No Federal Government protecting and ensuring EO for minorities, no welfare checks or social services.  The church acted as your social services, your neighbors were your welfare.
            
            The reason for America's fracturing today is because we abandoned everything that allowed this nation to thrive for 200 years, the social component of this starting back in the late 60s. 
            
            Christian morality and social norms were attacked, removed from schools, laws, society at large.  The Pill, Women's Rights, disrupted family and gender roles... it took a while for these changes to sink in and seriously erode what had been American culture and Middle Class ideals.
            
            Today the efforts of the UN, WEF, Open Border - Open Society advocates are trying to do away with Nationalism, do away with America, the Constitution, their goals are to create an International Corporatocracy, where the elites control everything, right down to the individual, and nations and no longer exist.
            
            Many who work in DC today, be they in the halls of the CIA, NSA, or White House believe in these ideals and agendas, and work towards them.
            
            A Harvard-Harris poll, taken in 2018, found that 76% of registered American voters do not believe the United States should have “open borders,” and 61% said current U.S. border security is “inadequate.”
            
            Those poll numbers have gotten worse in recent years, so our politicians play the game, tell the voters one thing... all the while knowing NGOs, the UN, our Border Patrol works to help the migrants gain entry.
            
            So this is in effect the true source of our problems, our government:
            
            Encourages immigrants to maintain their own culture. What made America successful is they encouraged newcomers to assimilate, to learn English, to adapt to our cultural norms.
            
            Today we attack norms, pillars of society constantly, while praising foreign beliefs, and even giving them priority over our own.
            
            Our government protects and promotes diversity rather than unity and find ways of breaking down norms, such as, making people accept men as women, saying it is racist to not allow riots and looting (so long as those committing the crimes are minorities).
            
            Big foundations and Big Business (IE - Blackrock promotes DEI https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/abo … ent-to-dei ) give these efforts lots of money and push politicians to promote the most extreme positions.
            
            Invest in ethnic identity, establish the cult of victimology, start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.
            
            Place all these subjects off-limits and make them taboo to talk about. Those who try, find words similar to ‘heretic’ in the 16th century that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like ‘racist,’ and ‘xenophobe’ or 'Trumpster' to halt debate and conversation.  If you work in government, it is now a fire-able offense not to accept what only a few years ago would have been considered lunacy, and reason to terminate the individual that now must be accommodated.
            
            The problem is NOT with multiculturalism, nor with migrants.
            
            The problem is how we deal with it today, prioritizing foreign beliefs and bending over backwards for the smallest of minorities (be it race or sex identity) rather than expecting assimilation and conformation to our standards and norms.
            
            When a society is catering to the most insane, or smallest minority, at the expense of the overwhelming majority's health and wellbeing... well, that's when things start falling apart fast.  As we are seeing.

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               gmwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

               Totally agree.

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 2 months agoin reply to this

         Ken: It was built on freedom of religion and give me your tired and your poor - from anywhere, It was not built to produce christian nationalism - MAGA was.

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            Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            It was not built on give me your tired and your poor... that came more than a century after is was founded.
            
            "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." words from "The New Colossus," the 1883 poem written by Emma Lazarus.
            
            As far as religion goes, it was founded entirely on the concept of Christianity, its morals and ideals, as they were seen at that time... when they considered religious freedom... they considered the variations of Christian faith, such as Protestant and Catholic.  They would have considered Buddhism and Wicca as evil most likely, at the very least, unacceptable.
            
            I had been looking for a reason to use this:
            
            Enslaved Icelander Describes Horror of Barbary Pirate Raid (1627) // Diary of Ólafur Egilsson
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2EJChRdxL0
            
            An account of how the world worked in that time.

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   Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

   Grace, your willingness to pose thought-provoking questions is admirable, and I truly appreciate it. It provides me with the opportunity to express my views openly and without hesitation.
   
   I am going to try to answer the questions you put forth ---  "Do you feel that multiculturalism is beneficial or totally detrimental to American society?  Do you believe that multiculturalism will eventually destroy the quality of life in American society?   
   
   Is multiculturalism jeopardizing the America we hold dear? Our nation's bedrock is built upon Christianity, capitalism, and cherished principles, all of which have been fundamental to shaping our identity and fostering a robust society.
   
   While it's widely acknowledged that immigrants have played a pivotal role in our nation's development, it's crucial to acknowledge that these immigrants shared the aspirations and values of America. They embraced our society to pursue the dreams envisioned by our forefathers.
   
   Throughout history, we've celebrated diversity, embracing various traditions while also forging common bonds that unite us. However, a troubling trend emerges when immigrants arrive but refuse to assimilate into our culture. Instead, some demand that their cultural practices take precedence over our own.
   
   In my observation, this form of multiculturalism poses a threat to American society. While I don't believe it will outrightly dismantle America, it does sow discord and division, exacerbating ideological rifts already present. Ultimately, I anticipate a majority to emerge, comprised of individuals who uphold the enduring values of America, rooted in the ideals of our forefathers.
   
   This division, though uncomfortable, may prove necessary to safeguard our foundational values and ensure the continuity of the American spirit.

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   IslandBitesposted 2 months ago

   According to a new Marist National Poll, more than 80 percent of Americans think diversity of race, ethnicity and religion makes the country stronger. Forty-two percent say it makes the U.S. “much stronger,” and 40 percent say it makes the country “somewhat stronger.”
   
   Just 16 percent of respondents in the survey say diversity makes the U.S. weaker.
   
   The survey noted that regardless of race, most Americans hold the view that diversity improves the country.
   
   https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing … ng-survey/

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      Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      That's a good thing.
      
      Shows the majority of America therefore, isn't racist.  It also shows Americans to be compassionate and open minded.

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   Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

   In my view --   While yes historically there may have been arguments in favor of diversity strengthening a country, today's context presents challenges that call this belief into question.
   
   One argument against the notion that diversity of race, ethnicity, and religion strengthens a country is the potential for increased social tension and division. In today's world, where issues of identity politics and cultural clashes are prominent, diversity can sometimes lead to polarization and conflicts rather than unity. Differences in values, beliefs, and cultural practices can create barriers between communities, fueling mistrust and resentment.
   
   One could debate that diversity can lead to economic disparities and competition for resources.  In societies with significant diversity, there may be disparities in access to education, employment opportunities, and social services among different racial, ethnic, and religious groups. All of the above can certainly work to exacerbate existing inequalities and breed resentment and social unrest.
   
   Diversity can pose challenges to social cohesion and national identity. In a diverse society, there may be competing narratives and loyalties based on ethnic, racial, or religious affiliations, which can undermine a sense of common identity and belonging. This can lead to fragmentation and weaken the social fabric of a nation.
   
   I could also debate that cultural diversity could hinder assimilation and integration, particularly in immigrant-receiving countries. When communities choose to remain isolated and segregated along ethnic or religious lines, it can impede social cohesion and inhibit the development of a shared national identity.
   
   While diversity may have been seen as a true strength in the past, today's complexities and challenges suggest a more nuanced view. While diversity can bring benefits, such as enriching cultural exchange and fostering creativity, it also poses challenges that need to be addressed, including social tensions, economic disparities, and threats to social cohesion.

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      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Agreed.  It is one thing to introduce a new food, a new music, a new dance or new whatever to the nation, and encourage everyone to participate in it.
      
      It is quite another to introduce something new and declare that it is "Mine alone, separating me from you, and therefore you cannot participate".  Seems like a while back someone was taken to task for wearing a dashiki but not being black - ONLY black people may wear such a thing.  Hair styles the same thing. 
      
      Here is a link that addresses just a few of these kinds of things in a small way:  https://www.bustle.com/style/are-space- … ropriation
      
      Multiculturalism can indeed introduce new things, new concepts and new ideas, enriching all.  But when they are used to deliberately divide instead of enrich it is destructive, just as you and Ken point out, and is harmful instead.  We are one people, not a collection of 1,000 tribes hating on each other and doing our best to separate us all.

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         Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

         Absolutely, you're spot on. It's essential to recognize the distinction between sharing cultural elements with openness and inclusivity versus claiming ownership and excluding others. Cultural appreciation thrives when it's about mutual respect and understanding rather than division. Thanks for highlighting this important point!

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            Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Another sign of how open and non-xenophobic we are in America:
            
            Kelly Wong who came to the U.S. in 2019 from China and isn’t legally allowed to vote will be overseeing and creating policy for the San Francisco Department of Elections.
            
            Wong is an immigrant rights advocate who wants to educate other immigrants who don’t speak English about voting process.
            
            https://www.kqed.org/news/11976026/san- … commission
            
            Wong’s appointment is the result of a 2020 voter-approved measure that removed the citizenship requirement to serve on San Francisco boards, commissions and advisory bodies.

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