DEATH PENALTY

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   Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks ago

   I for one oppose the death penalty. To murder someone to prove murder is wrong is hypocrisy and the ultimate unethical thing a human being can do.
   
   Especially death PENALTY to atheist, gays and other minor offensive that offend other groups, just learn to live and let live.
   Atheists and religious skeptics can be executed in at least thirteen nations: Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Libya, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
   
   About 10 countries have the death penalty for homosexauls.
   
   Most US states has the death penalty. China has had 1/10th the death penalty carried out than the US. And Russia has done away with the death penalty and GMO foods, the healthy foods is like the true gods to me.
   
   Whats your thoughts about the death penalty, do you oppose or support the death penalty.

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Is it Good or Bad to give the consequence of death for the willful vicious murder of another?
      
      What is the Goodness or Badness of anything determined by?

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         What determines what is good or Bad?
         
         Best to my knowledge and history is the collective consciousness of the people.
         For example,   in Canads more prisoners were locked up for Marijuana more than any other crime for 90 years. Until 85% of the public found cannabis was the best medicine known to human kind.
         Also
         
         More than 70% of the world's countries have abolished capital punishment in law or practice. The U.S. is an outlier among its close allies in its continued use of the death penalty.
         
         Since 1973, more than 8,700 people in the U.S. have been sent to death row. At least 182 weren’t guilty—their lives upended by a system that nearly killed or killed them.
         
         Or maybe it was an accident. Many do remorse or regret their actions. George Bush set a world record for death penalty in death row. And God told him to kill a million Iraqis mostly women and children. Should George be put to death or is he above human rights and the ultimate law of murder? Good thing I didn't get murdered by Bush for refusing him a war sculpture. If your not with Bush, your with the terrorist, I got off with my green card taken away.
         
         Murder is the ultimate mental illness.

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         peterstreepposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         Iran
         China
         United States
         Japan Saudi Arabia
         Egypt
         Syria
         Belarus
         Ethiopia
         United Arab Emirates.
         
         
         Do you really want to be in this list of countries?
         
         Together with the mass shootings
         The US had 630 mass shootings in 2023
         Europe had 10 mass shootings in 2023.
         
         And the fact that the US is the country with the highest percentage of prisoners relative to its population makes you wonder if the society in the US works...

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Don't mind visiting those places, but wouldn't want to live there.
            One time I thought the US was the best country in the world, when US was alot more balanced.
            
            There is alot of other countries choices with more affordablle, freedom,  peace  and natural beauty.

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               peterstreepposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

               Yes, of course these are some of the dark sides of the US. As all countries have dark sides. I can make a list for Spain and The Netherlands too.
               I can imagine the nature of the US can really be amazing, and there are a lot more things that are "awesome".
               But having the death penalty is not one of them.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

   The death penalty is not to "prove murder is wrong."
   
   It is to prevent murder from occurring in the first place and prevent vicious people from killing again.
   
   Is this type of prevention good or bad?

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      Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Does it work? It would seem that if it were successful in deterring murder, states that have employed it for some time would have lower homicide rates then States without a death penalty.  State murder statistics show no correlation between use of the death penalty and reduced crime.

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         In general Canada has per capita half the crime than the US. And Europe has half the crimes than Canada. Only the US has capital punishment. Death penalty in the G7.
         
         The complete ban on capital punishment is enshrined in both the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (EU) and two widely adopted protocols of the European Convention on Human Rights of the Council of Europe, and is thus considered a central value.

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         MizBejabbersposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         I don't know the statistics, but considering the number of innocent people who are locked up for murder and a good number of executed whom may have been innocent of the crime, I'm against the death penalty in most cases. I can make an exception when there is a "mad dog" killer on trial. I say that because if the person is found not guilty by reason of insanity, there is always the chance that they may be released back to society as cured. Many states do not have special facilities for the criminally insane and they are incarcerated in with the general population.
         
         In some cases, a sentence of life without the possibility of parole is more cruel to the convicted murder than an outright execution.

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            Would agree if the murderer agrees to his own execution..and some do.
            
            Article 2 of the Human Rights Act protects your right to life. This means that nobody, including the Government, can try to end your life.
            
            Harris has already got marjanna user prisoners on the cheap labor force against the courts. 
            Why not murderers for life sentence?

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               MizBejabbersposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

               The U.S. Constitution protects the citizens right to life, that is unless, the citizen does something so heinous that he/she loses constitutional rights. The Constitution also gives citizens the right to vote. Losing one's right to vote under the Constitution is a complicated process, but it can happen -- as in the case of convicted felons.
               
               https://felonvoting.procon.org/is-felon … itutional/

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  One can choose not to vote and take no stack or stock or shock in the outcome. I'm not against religion or Goverment, It just their absolute power has gotten very corrupted and contradicting.
                  Like the US signing on the UN contract and US not being accountable and transparent for their action. On paper the UN like the constitution works very well. The east and much of the world is  aiming to keep the UN working   much better for everyone.

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         wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         "Does it work? It would seem that if it were successful in deterring murder, states that have employed it for some time would have lower homicide rates then States without a death penalty."
         
         I might agree with this, if it were not that every death penalty is automatically granted almost (almost!) unlimited appeals.  If nearly every (every?) state did not have a large contingency of people fighting the death penalty. 
         
         As is, I don't think your statement can be termed valid.  If the death penalty was administered in all cases within, say, a month or so it could very well be a deterrent.  If it were done in public (as in hangings in the old west) it could be a deterrent.  Or not - it is my opinion that the vast majority of killers are insane, and if that is true there may be no deterrent.  We just don't know.
         
         Outside, of course, that if the death penalty is administered, that particular killer will not kill again, guaranteed.

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

            State-by- state analysis, The Times found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48 percent to 101 percent higher murders than in states without the death penalty.
            
            Where in the world is it working?
            In Iran.

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      peterstreepposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      It is bad, as it does not work.
      Why, if you have the death penalty, does the US have more prisoners than any other country in the world?
      Apparently the death penalty does not prevent vicious people form killing. Otherwise there should have been less people in prison than other countries.

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         Drug Offenses 64,338    44.3%
         Extortion, Fraud, Briber 5,976 4.1%
         Homicide, Aggravated Assault, and Kidnapping Offenses    4,949 .3%
         
         It seems 1/3 of the US economy is based on legal drugs. Covid Pandemic as one example.  They go into prison with a bachelor of drugs and come out with a PHD of murder, theif and Cocain.  . Last 40 years, prisons have grown 10 times greater and jail cells are much greater than college dorms.

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            MizBejabbersposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            I have no way of proving this statement, but when I was a reporter I learned that some of the local big businesses were established by drug money being poured into them. Some of them today are corporations whose names you would recognize.
            
            I remember that in my state, one young reporter was shot and killed by a sniper when she was investigating one of these operations. When I was a reporter for the Arkansas Radio Network, I was assigned to reopen this investigation. I knew better than to, so whenever the news director would ask me how the investigation was going, I'd make up some cock and bull story. The second week in, the news director came to me like he was delivering bad news and said that the order had come down from the top: "Leave (Blank Blank) alone!"

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 weeks ago

   It seems that goodness consists in preventing death and promoting life.
   
   For instance, preventing the possibility of conceiving a child before establishing a good home environment to raise a child in, is good.
   
   Looking both ways before crossing the street to prevent one from getting run over, is good.
   
   Preventing the swallowing of fish bones by carefully eating fish, is good.

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      What causes more harm than good with abortion?
      
      Take black communities. Most crime among blacks is committed by fatherless families. Too many black mothers are on welfare and  8 out of 10 murderers are sons  that grew up without fathers.
      
      Just about all manmal abort their young when mother fells the odd young is too weak in order the rest have a better chance of survival.

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

         From BM Gunn
         
         Fetuses do not have consciousness, and do not have a mind. Therefore, the cannot think, plan, hope, dream, dread, have fear, or endure any psychological suffering. Most early developed fetuses cannot even feel pain. Fetuses cannot suffer.
         
         Fully developed people, on the other hand, can feel physical pain, can mentally suffer, can fear, can dread, can hope, can dream, and can think, and most of all, can suffer

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