10 state attorney generals file lawsuit

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  1. Arthur Fontes profile image85
    Arthur Fontesposted 8 years ago

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2219776820100322

    What is this going to do to the country?

    1. Doug Hughes profile image57
      Doug Hughesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It will provide work for the Supreme Court. We all know that's where this will wind up. I can only hope that the Constitutional issues will be defined and a single verdict on ALL arguments will settle the matter rapidly.

      Note that, unlike a wingnut, I don't presume to know the minds of 9 judges none of whome I ever met. The only safe bet is that they won't all agree.

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        Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        Unlike a loose screw,  I can tell ya we can't even trust the Supreme Court to do what's Constitutional.  If we could, Obama woulda been ousted before he ever officially took office.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Can't do any worse than has already been done by the liberal crap.

    3. IntimatEvolution profile image80
      IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Wow.  So they are not even going to give this a chance?  They are not even going to ask the public for their view? Ok.  Is America now NOT accountable to the majority?  Therefore, are we suppose to then live our individual lives, according to certain Republican Atty Generals personal politics?

      Is this what our veterans have fought and died for?  Dictatorships and tyrannous imbeciles?

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        Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        You need to read the Constitution. This is NOT a democracy, it's a Republic. The Constitution is designed to protect individuals from Mob Rule otherwise the Taliban could take over our country simply by moving here.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image80
          IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I have.  I understand very well it is a Republic.  A Republic by the way we elect Representatives to do what the MAJORITY wants.  Not the minority.
          So I'll leave your advice at the door.

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            Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Based on the polls, Congress didn't do what the MAJORITY wanted.

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image80
              IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Whose poll?  Your poll? 

              Polls.  They are just as rigged, as our politicians.

              I disagree with your sentiment. There it is. Done.

      2. Arthur Fontes profile image85
        Arthur Fontesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        By the way this bill was passed I would say dictatorship would be the right adjective.

        If a person takes an oath and breaks the oath it is treason.

        No one is forced to take an oath to uphold the constitution it is taken of free will.

        1. IntimatEvolution profile image80
          IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          I know.  Still, in my state you work for the majority. There you go.  My state wants health care reform.  SO there you go again.  What can I say?

          1. Arthur Fontes profile image85
            Arthur Fontesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            My state has health care already in place.

            We do not need a dictotorial central monarchy to provide us with healthcare.

          2. BDazzler profile image83
            BDazzlerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            By defending states rights, your state can have heath care reform without imposing it on my state that does not.

            1. IntimatEvolution profile image80
              IntimatEvolutionposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Yes, I agree.  I was just stating a "reference" point to another hubber, lecturing on her needs.

    4. BDazzler profile image83
      BDazzlerposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's about time states did something to back their rights.  It will be good for the country, it's part of our checks and balances.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 8 years ago

    This is good news! Earlier reports put the number of states to challenge the bill at 38! It's amazing to me that so many could clearly see the unconstitutionality of this bill and our federal representatives were completely blind to it!

    This is a testament to the lack of representation of the people in Washington! Hopefully this bill will be stopped and our freedom restored!

    1. Arthur Fontes profile image85
      Arthur Fontesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I do not see any way around the 10th amendment.

      I would think that they would allow insurance companies to operate across state lines thereby avoiding this constitutional conflict.

      It will be interesting.

      I wonder if any States will use their secession legislation?

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        Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        One thing to remember, the government has a self interest in growing. There is nothing to stop the Supreme Court from acting in concert with the other branches and deeming this law constitutional.

        The debate will center around the "commerce clause" in the constitution and the "general welfare" clause. Remember Bush used the commerce clause to enforce federal marijuana laws over the States that passed medical marijuana laws. It's not a gimme by any means!

    2. Michael Willis profile image77
      Michael Willisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well, our state AG said he would not join in.  He is Democrat with hopes of running for higher office. Go figure! Arkansans have spoke out against this HCR Bill.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 8 years ago

    I wonder... if the bill is found to be unconstitutional, can those that voted for it and worked for its passage be impeached for a violation of their oath of office, to "uphold and protect" the constitution?

    Or is non-intent an acceptable excuse for perjury?

    1. Arthur Fontes profile image85
      Arthur Fontesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      is there a roll call of the votes?

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        Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        No I think the democrats will "deem" their innocence!

      2. SparklingJewel profile image74
        SparklingJewelposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        ...the roll call of votes was asked for repeatedly by the republicans throughout the day, I was watching all day on cspan.
        they never had a stand up and say name and vote, but they did have to vote on the electronic machines, is that the same thing? they also, it seemed like, had everyone come to the front on both sides of the isle and say what they thought of the bill, the same sentence for everyone, except "against this bill" or "for this bill"...was that the roll call?

        and you ask because...? how does it matter?...to legally prosecute violations of the Constitution, there has to be written record of who voted on what and how?

  4. Danny R Hand profile image55
    Danny R Handposted 8 years ago

    THE ONLY issue being challenged is the mandate. We pay mandated insurance everyday in this country when we pay our auto insurance. And if you don't pay it, THEY WILL FINE YOUR ASS!! And if you don't pay the fine YOUR ASS WILL GO TO JAIL!! So, why is this any different? It's different because it has nothing to do with constitutionality. It has to do with political manipulation of the system for the purpose of political gain. IT'S DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Arthur Fontes profile image85
      Arthur Fontesposted 8 years agoin reply to this




      No WE do not!!

    2. creepy profile image48
      creepyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      auto insurance is not the same animal at all

      if you dont drive you dont have to have insurance

      if you are alive obama has mandated you have to have insurance

      get a new argument that one wont work

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      Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      First off car insurance laws are controlled by the State in which you reside so they are all different, which is exactly the case for health insurance. Many states don't require you buy insurance but that you have adequate resources to pay damages in the event you injure or kill someone, and you may post a bond in lieu of insurance. Of course you can also choose not to drive. There is no law that requires you to have a car. If I don't have health insurance that certainly won't cause you injury or death, so the mandate is to protect myself.

      Now if you bother to read the constitution please refer to Article 1 Section 8. This is the part that defines what the government is allowed to do. Your health is NOT in that section. The manipulation of the system is by this administration to pass a bill they have no authority to pass and to do it in a way that defies constitutional intent.

      1. Danny R Hand profile image55
        Danny R Handposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I don't know what state you live in, but in Missouri, if you drive without insurance, you get a ticket. Then, they fine you, and if you don't pay the fine, you go to jail. States are suppose to stay within federal guidelines outlined in the constitution. According to your view my state is outside of constitutional guidelines. Also, if having health insurance is'nt for your own protection, then I don't know hwat is. And your right, I could choose not to drive. But I can't choose wheather or not I get sick. So this would make health insurance even more important for my own protection. As for the constitution, they practically rape the bill of rights daily. At least in this case it benefits the citizens and not corporations or foreign interests.

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          Poppa Bluesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          There are no federal guidelines for auto insurance. It is the States that created the Federal government, not the other way around. The 10th amendment any power not in Article 1 Section 8 belongs to the States.

          1. Danny R Hand profile image55
            Danny R Handposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Funny, the 10th Amendment was the main one I was reffering to that they rape everyday.

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    Madame Xposted 8 years ago

    Don't bother quoting the Constitution Poppa. As someone recently said to me, "all liberals know" that only the Supreme Court is capable of understanding it.

    So that's nine people, out of 300 million . . . hmmmm

    1. aguasilver profile image74
      aguasilverposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Madam X.... You got one through!

      Hope this means you are back in the saddle?

      John

     
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