Post-Palin Alaska has largest debt burden of any state

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   livelongerposted 13 years ago

   Alaska receives far more in federal funding per capita than any other state, and the state makes billions off its vast oil reserves. Yet they still have the highest debt-GDP ratio? There must be some serious waste and fraud up there.
   
   Gotta love the "fiscal conservatism" (ahem!) of today's GOP.
   
   http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0331/postpa … bt-burden/

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      Ron Montgomeryposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I would investigate the finances of the lesbian bondage clubs in Alaska. With the GOP in charge, that could be wher all the funds have gone.

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      sandra rinckposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Well I wont argue for or against her because I don't really care but she is not the governor and the debt is not her responsibility anymore.  So I think you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction.  Also, you might want to get a credible news feed.

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         LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         About the only gauge "the people" have in choosing elected officials is past performance. Or are we to wipe the slate clean each time someone runs for office?

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   livelongerposted 13 years ago

   Good point.
   
   Notice the crickets chirping when topics like this come up?

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      Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Rather hard to argue against actual facts.

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         livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         True. Or maybe they're just attending their local Tea Party protest. To protest, um, against fiscal irresponsibility.

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      Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Really there isn't enough facts in that story worth commenting on. I suppose I could research the causes of Alaska's woes, like how much is spent as a result of Federal mandates,, etc or how much more cash could be raised if drilling was allowed, but I don't have the time. Besides, what would be the point? Palin is a private citizen and has nothing to do now with Alaska's finances.
      I suppose we could argue about fiscal responsibility, obviously that's a problem in Alaska as well as in many other states as a result of the fiscal crisis. I'm sure too you're not trying to make the point that fiscal irresponsibility is the way out of debt.

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         rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I don't know Poppa Blues, it kind of looks like a trend with her.

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            Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            It may well be, I don't know and frankly, I'm not interested in investigating her, and I don't understand why the left loves to talk about her. I think the left would be better off promoting the fine qualities of socialism rather than wasting their breath trying to discredit those that know the truth.

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               rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Well she does seem to be keeping her "toe in the water" so to speak and reminding people of her "qualifications" can't be all that bad. 
               
               I would hope the GOP could come up with someone worthwhile when the time comes to revisit the candidates for new elections and not allow her to submarine their efforts again.

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                  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I think they'll anoint Romney, but that will be bad if they do. They're going to have to find someone acceptable to the Tea Party people, a real fiscal conservative with a passion for the constitution.

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         woolman60posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I guess Palin did not get the memo, until after she "QUIT" her job. This smells like her famous secret recipe for moose stew, the secret ingredient she got from Rod Blagojevich, a pinch of corruption just to make it taste better, and no-one will want to know what else went into her stew, so just eat it and don't ask any questions, wink wink!!!!

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            Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Not for nothing, she was investigated by everyone the press the AG etc and all they could find are some possible ethics violations arising from a personal dispute. But hey anyone in that position would be tempted to use their power to protect their family, that's hardly comparable to what Blago did and nothing happened to Rahm or Obama both of whom were likely involved in talks about Obama's senate seat.

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               woolman60posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Bottom line she is a "QUITTER", do you think she would quit if she ever made it to the White House when things got tough? You and I both know  she can BS better then anyone out there, maybe if she was a little more educated on American values and stopped pointing the finger at everyone she meets, and calling them Socialists, and took the time to listen to other peoples thoughts and idea's without judging them on face value, I would think differently of her.
               I am always open to others views, thoughts and idea's, I may not agree with what you say or preach, but I respect your thoughts, and will not judge you, I respect everyone as they should, I do however have a problem with politicians who spread hate, fear, and the idea of promoting a civil war, and she has done that.
               
               with respect
               woolman60

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                  Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I'll admit, when she quit I lost my enthusiasm for her as far as political office, but she was under intense scrutiny and I'm not sure if I could have withstood such an assault, so I understand and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.
                  
                  I don't agree that she's divisive and I can't say that her values don't align with the majority of Americans. I live in NY and we're pretty liberal here and that's very different than the Midwest or the south. Anyway I like a person with conservative values even if mine aren't the same.

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                     woolman60posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay, I understand your point of view, thanks and nice meeting you.

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         LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Funny how once a "renegade" like Palin leaves office she is no longer responsible for a state's finances. I guess all of her decisions no longer count since they no longer have ANY effect on the state's budget.
         
         
         
         That's why if I buy a car, still owe money on it, and sell it that debt is no longer my problem. To heck with the bank.
         
         Let's be fair here. No politician, regardless of party affiliation, is directly responsible for the housing crisis. And that fiscal disaster affects every state and every office holder.
         
         But American's schizophrenic memory problems insure that state fiscal woes will be blamed on anything but the real cause. That doesn't give Palin, or any other governor for that matter, a pass, but lets not forget where the problem originates.
         
         Over-optimist speculation with other people's money.

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   Sab Ohposted 13 years ago

   Now imagine a liberal female politician being set upon in a similar fashion. Suit after suit that had to be dismissed, unending sexual innuendo and obession over how she looks, and shameless unrestrained attacks on family members.
   
   And that's the least of it.
   
   The hypocrisy of liberals is astonishing. And now the 'women's movement' has grown a collective penis and decided to behave (or condone) as the worst of what they had for so long decried. Go ahead and give 'em a scratch boys.
   
   Disgraceful.

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      rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I would be remiss in not bringing up the many idiotic things that came out of her mouth that set her up as contributing to McCains defeat.
      
      Her family troubles were well underway before her bid for the vice-presidency and the hypocrisy of her moral and family values were seriously undermined by her daughters unwed pregnancy.
      
      I will admit that she is a fine looking woman and her charms are very attractive but that doesn't buy a vote from me.

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         Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         In other words, the left doing what they would condemn in others is ok for themselves.

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            rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            My point is that I don't feel it is a sexist or minority based dismissal of her qualifications but rather a real time assessment of what comes out of her mouth and what she has done to back it up.
            
            I am not defending the left as they have quite a few issues that need revisiting when it comes to deflecting the facts.  I just think any further defense of Palin is counter productive to the rights cause and validity.

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               And I'm quite certain that if the tables were turned it very much would be so percieved.

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                  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The woman is a fundamentalist nutter who talks in tongues!
                  
                  The mention of her in any position of power makes America a laughing stock!

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         Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Her daughter's pregnancy shouldn't even be part of the equation!
         
         Things happen and I can identify with her. I got my girlfriend pregnant too when she was 19, and I too married her knowing we weren't compatible life partners, but I wanted my child to have a father.
         
         That should have anything to do with my parents.

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            rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            But did you get up in front of the whole country and profess what a moral and wonderful christian mother you were.  The hypocrisy is inescapable.  It is true to a certain extent that we cannot control the actions of our children but we should not expect people to swallow some trumped up regurgitation of the truth.
            
            By the way I am not against the individuals right to an abortion but have chosen to not have it as an option for myself and I don't judge anybodies morality based on it.

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               Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I don't see anything wrong with her touting her christian values even with her pregnant daughter. Her daughter's mistake doesn't change what she believes or make her a hypocrite, at least not in my eyes.

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                  rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Rose colored glasses are not a trapping exclusive to the liberals I see.

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "But did you get up in front of the whole country and profess what a moral and wonderful christian mother you were. "
               
               Could you show me the text of the speech where she said that? No? I didn't think so.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Very well done TK Sensei and Pappa Blues. Not a fact in sight and no mention of profligate government waste. I thought you right wingers were against the government spending your money?
                  
                  Ahh......
                  
                  Unless it is done by a Right Wing Kristian Hypokrite.
                  
                  I see now.
                  
                  Dear me.......

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                     Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Well Mark, maybe you should read the whole thread from the beginning.

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                        William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Maybe you could point out the "facts" you presented.

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Well - I did as you recommended and all I got was that you like Sarah Palin and it is not fair that "the left" is looking at her spending of government money. Oh - and TK Sensei thinks the hypocrisy of the left (questioning profligate government spending while proposing free health care for poor people?) is "astonishing."
                        
                        I suppose those could be called "facts."
                        
                        Did I miss something?

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                           Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Apparently. I never said it wasn't fair to look at her spending of government money. However, she isn't in government right now so maybe that's a fact that might put the rest of things in context.

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                              Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              I see - so even though she wasted billions in government money - it doesn't matter - because she quit. I see. This is the fact you presented?
                              
                              Ummm. Good for you.
                              
                              Dear me.

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                  rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Your literal translation of the events is purely argumentative at best and truly not genuine to the argument.
                  
                  She was touted as being the best candidate to bring in the religious right vote McCain so desperately wanted.  Trying to reinterpret what was done at the time is less than constructive.
                  
                  Please refrain from petty attacks on the intelligence of the conversation and sway it into a tit for tat literal interpretation.

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      William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      LOL. 
      
      And the right wing isn't obsessed with Obama and Hillary?
      
      ROFL.

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         Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         How many people spent thousands of pages going on about how they wanted to have sex with Hillary? Even Bill wouldn't do that.
         
         Bubba's attention came after he made it impossible not to.
         
         
         Hypocrite.

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            William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Questions about Obama's citizenship?  Vince Foster? 
            
            Etc.
            
            Palin is such a popular target because she sets herself up for it by doing and saying stupid things.
            
            And I haven't seen any sexism on display in this thread, only a presentation of some facts about Alaska's budget after her time in office. 
            
            Thank you for setting up a strawman.  Now go beat up some little kids or whatever you do for fun.

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               "And I haven't seen any sexism on display in this thread"
               
               
               No, you wouldn't would you? Libs can do no wrong after all.

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            William R. Wilsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            And did you just call Obama Bubba?

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               Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               No, I called Bill Clinton 'Bubba.' Try to pay attention.

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   mikelongposted 13 years ago

   Sab...the hypocrisy is her own....
   
   She carries her faith on her shoulder, waving the flag of Christianity, and yet her own daughter, her own family, reflects something else....
   
   She is the hypocrite, and so is anyone else who looks to minimize her falsehoods and lack of ability to even appear as a viable political contender....
   
   It would make sense that you would back her up, while carefully ensuring not to show a direct endorsement of your own...
   
   Way to take a stand Sab while leaving your own views, aside from an obvious animosity towards the "liberals", undefined... But that is typical of your expressions...
   
   You try to criticize others that you claim "hate their fellow Americans"....and then show yourself to be that very beast yourself.
   
   Well done Sab....as usual.
   
   Poppa....you rail against Obama, but then you "have no interest" in the woman who could have, and still could be there at some point?
   
   Why?

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      Poppa Bluesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think Palin has a chance as a candidate. I think her brand was damaged when she quit. I think she's decided to take advantage of her fame and make some money. I think she'll be useful as an endorser of conservative candidates and for raising money but that's it. Of course that could change and if it does then maybe I'll be more interested.

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "She carries her faith on her shoulder, waving the flag of Christianity, and yet her own daughter, her own family, reflects something else.... "
      
      The liberal hypocrisy is becoming cartoon-like at this point. Some of them may actually not realize what they are saying... I guess professor didn't cover this part...
      
      
      
      "You try to criticize others that you claim "hate their fellow Americans"...."
      
      Those I criticize for that actually came out and directly said they hate their fellow Americans. Do a little reading before posting, junior.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   "How many people spent thousands of pages going on about how they wanted to have sex with Hillary? Even Bill wouldn't do that."
   
   Guess you forget that the Republicans plastered Bill Clinton's sex life all over the internet...for all to see, including his daughter and all her friends.
   
   That was after Rush went on his tv show and compared Chelsea Clinton to a dog.
   
   Why do we suffered these fools so gladly?
   They get rich on divisiveness and meanness.
   
   And this is how they treat a president....
   Members of Congress disrespecting a sitting president?
   
   Who are you people?

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      Sab Ohposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      "Guess you forget that the Republicans plastered Bill Clinton's sex life all over the internet...for all to see, including his daughter and all her friends."
      
      Whose fault was that? Maybe the dirty old man having an affair in our house then wagging his finger at the nation denying it? If he didn't want the nation, his wife, and his daughter to hear about it he might have tried to display more control than a rutting animal.

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   lovemychrisposted 13 years ago

   And Palin is right up there with nasty innuendo's and nasty insults.
   
   When did snarkism become something to admire?

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