Pat Tillman

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   LiamBeanposted 14 years ago

   Friendly fire or assassination?

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      chasingcarsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Wasn't it already proven to be friendly fire?  God, I hope so, or is that just an infinity sort of wrong?  From what I heard of him, he was a good man and a fine soldier.  Either way, he deserved better.

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      alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I know nothing about this, why would anyone want to assassinate him ?

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   cosetteposted 14 years ago

   friendly fire. Pat Tillman had no enemies. even so, what happened to him was a travesty. the fact that the military covered it up is what sparked so many rumors about his death. Pat Tillman will always be a hero of mine. he is very loved here and honored all the time. Arizona won't forget Pat Tillman.
   
   

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      Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      As well they, and the rest of the country, should not. A great American.

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         cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         yes he was. he was completely honorable in every aspect of his life, and in his service to his country. it was quite shocking when we heard about it, and troubling as more facts came out about it.

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      logic,commonsenseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      He is a hero to me because he was willing to sacrifice his life for his country, the people in it and the ideals that we stand for!

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That's the kind of man all young kids should learn about and from.

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         cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         i agree. i just always liked this picture of him.
         
         
         Pat Tillam WAS NOT MURDERED! he was a hero. some of you guys think this was a hit? really? oh boy

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   chasingcarsposted 14 years ago

   Perhaps the forum should have explained the rumors that he was shot in the back because he began speaking out against the war.  That would be a Rumsfelt/Cheney type action.

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      Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why would anyone try to cover up an accident???
      The man was a hated Giant target.
      He did a great thing! So his words would have carried alot of weight.
      That is not allowed.
      He had to be silenced quickly.
      
      "BEHOLD THE DREAMER!  LET'S SLAY HIM, AND SEE WHAT BECOMES OF HIS DREAM.

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   JeniferDposted 14 years ago

   Patrick Tillman was murdered by his own comrades; end of story. He was a famous athlete, he walked away from a multi-million dollar contract to serve this country along with his younger brother, Kevin Tillman.  When Patrick discovered the lies and the deceit, he spoke out about it.  He had an interview scheduled with Noam Chomsky, his favorite author, when he returned. If Patrick had succeeded in returning from Afghanistan alive and attending this interview, George Bush would have never won a second term in office to continue to destroy America as his Grandfather and Great Grandfather did while financing Hitler's rise to power.
   
   An interesting footnote; I have an AKO account, and about a year ago, I was on AKO chat when I came across a young infantryman named Patrick Stull; he stated that he served in Tillman's Ranger Regiment, and that he hated Tillman, called him arrogant, and added that he wished he had been the one to put the three-round shot group in the middle of Tillman's forehead that killed him.
   
   Very chilling, and very disturbing.

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      derfposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Dear JeniferD,
      
      I agree with you about Pat Tillman.   I strongly suspect he was murdered because he had a high enough profile in American society to give the Bush Admin a serious headache.
      
      Cheers,
      
      Derf

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         Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It is disgusting, disgraceful, and disrespectful to use the death of a patriot as the vehicle to promote some looney political conspiracy nonsense. Have some respect, for crying out loud. Some of you are like jackals tearing into a dead body because you think your little pet theories are more important than respect for human life.

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            alternate poetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            As usual you have it completely a*s about face!  It is disrespectful NOT to consider everything - IF the guy was murdered he DESERVES it to be uncovered etc.
            
            Or are you just defending your arrogant right wing views by suggesting that such a thing could not happen?

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               Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               It is disrespectful not to take seriously any ridiculous #@$! any conspiracy nut dreams up? Ok, then we also have to 'seriously' investigate the very, very serious likelihood that he actually travelled back in time from the future and killed himself because he knew that he would go on to create a killer robotics system that would one day take over the world and wipe out all of humanity.
               
               Right? 
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               
               (oh, and did you figure out what a simile is yet?)

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   Sab Ohposted 14 years ago

   It is very inappropriate to sully the man's memory by using his death as fodder for some stupid conspiracy nonsense. Some of you people have absolutely no class.

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      Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      how is it that PEOPLE with no class attract so many stalkers? ummmm. Were you actually holding your breath?

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   derfposted 14 years ago

   It is disgusting to allow a patriot to be murdered without a damned thorough investigation.  The real jackals are the guys who killed him, the guys who covered it up, and the ones who object when anyone talks about it.   In other words, up yours Sab Oh.

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      Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Why would the other soldiers involved in a friendly fire accident be "jackals"?
      
      
      Jackals would be the almost unimaginably self-centered head cases who insist that whatever their little pet conspiracy theory of the moment might be is more important than the life of a patriot. The absolute worst kind of self-indulgent, disrespectful, callous egotism.

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         derfposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The September 25, 2005, edition of the San Francisco Chronicle newspaper reported that Tillman held views which were critical of the Iraq war. According to Tillman's mother, a friend of Tillman had arranged a meeting with author Noam Chomsky, a prominent critic of American foreign and military policy, to take place after his return from Afghanistan. Chomsky has confirmed this.[7]
         
         On July 26, 2007, the AP received official documents stating that the investigating doctors performing the autopsy suspected that Tillman was murdered.[8]
         
         More at Wiki:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Tillman
         
         His mother Mary Tillman told The Washington Post, "The fact that he was the ultimate team player and he watched his own men kill him is absolutely heartbreaking and tragic. The fact that they lied about it afterward is disgusting." Tillman's father, Patrick Tillman, Sr., was incensed by the coverup of the cause of his son's death, which he attributed to a conscious decision by the leadership of the U.S. Army to protect the Army's image.
         
         “    After it happened, all the people in positions of authority went out of their way to script this. They purposely interfered with the investigation; they covered it up. I think they thought they could control it, and they realized that their recruiting efforts were going to go to hell in a handbasket if the truth about his death got out. They blew up their poster boy.[16]    ”
         
         He also blamed high-ranking Army officers for presenting "outright lies" to the family and to the public.[17]
         
         Later, Tillman's father suggested in a letter to The Washington Post that the Army hierarchy's purported mistakes were part of a pattern of conscious misconduct:
         “    With respect to the Army's reference to 'mistakes in reporting the circumstances of [my son's] death': those 'mistakes' were deliberate, calculated, ordered (repeatedly), and disgraceful — conduct well beneath the standard to which every soldier in the field is held.[18]    ”
         
         
         On April 24, 2007, his brother Kevin Tillman, testifying at a congressional hearing, stated, "The deception surrounding this case was an insult to the family: but more importantly, its primary purpose was to deceive a whole nation. We say these things with disappointment and sadness for our country. Once again, we have been used as props in a Pentagon public relations exercise."[22]

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   Pat Tillman was indeed a hero.  More importantly he was a thoughtful, well-read hero.  According to his family, he couldn't stand the chicken hawks of the Bush administration, and spoke out against the ill-conceived invasion and occupation of Iraq.

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   optimus grimlockposted 14 years ago

   No one will ever give up another nfl contract like tillman did.He would of made even more money because he could tackle and was a intense ballhawk safty!!! He's a great example to americans of any age and proves money means nothing in thew long run!

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