A lesson to all you so called moderate, cross the aisle politicians whose principles shift with the political winds. Now that McCain is in a real race he sees he has to stand for something acceptable to the voters he's thumbed his nose at in the name of compromise. His current hardline stance on illegal immigration comes across as phoney and politically expedient, expecially after his four years of pushing amnesty in conjunction with the late E. Kennedy. I'm not buying it and neither are the citizens of Arizona. Me thinks he crossed the aisle one too many times.
I agree it is interesting. I even agree McCain is not as conservative as I'd like him to be. But for all its worth, Hayworth is a bit of a radical in my view, and I don't think that's good overall in the grander scheme. But we'll just have to wait and see.
A vote for Hayworth, to me, is voting out one moderate for one radical righter—or voting out one extreme for a really extreme other.
Why interesting? McCain has been, for years, socialist-lite. In that, he's suffering from voter backlash against all things socialist. It's going to be a hard year for incumbents across the board.
What a ridiculous assertion: McCain (running mate of Sarah Palin) is socialist-lite.
Every politician who doesn't worship the teachings of Ayn Rand is some sort of Socialist in your mind.
It's funny that those who rail the most against "Socialism" are the ones who also scream the loudest when their precious entitlements (SS and medicare) are threatened.
McCain will ultimately lose because of his incompetence and his flip-flopping on major issues, not because he has occasionally realized that government has a legitimate role in our society - which yes, equates to "Socialism" in the eyes of the far right.
It's not ridiculous Ron, it's the truth. Did you watch the debates. McCain lost because he sounded like a weaker version of Obama. Socialist-lite. He'd be doing the exact same thing Obama is, but he'd be doing is slower. Interestingly enough, McCain wouldn't be seeing things like the Tea Party because the changes would be so gradual, people wouldn't notice them until it was too late. In that respect I'm glad Obama won and exposed the Communists in the Democratic Party.
Ron have you read anything I've ever written? I'm all for the ending of Social Security, Medicare, the income tax, etc. Don't get me wrong, I want to see McCain lose. He's been a major reason why we're in so much trouble these days. Arizona needs a Rubio in their race.
Far right? I'd suggest that the idea that big government equates socialism is more of a centrist position. I'm sure you'd like it to be a position of the far right, but in reality most people in the US are opposed to socialism. For good reason. Ever wonder why the EC was started? Ever wonder why so many former Soviet satellites are now considering leaving the EU? Watch Europe, especially the Western part, they're well on their way to collapse.
Me too. He is such a loser. How anyone could have voted for that dude is beyond me. He didn't even know how to hold a microphone, much less speak in to it. What an idiot that guy is.
if John McCain fully comes out in support of the new immigration bill, i think it would be a huge mistake. i am half Hispanic and get tanned in the Summer...does that mean someone is going to stop me on the street and ask to see my credentials? what if i give someone a ride who happens to be an illegal immigrant but i didn't know it - am i going to be arrested? if Jan Brewer signs that bill, oh i don't even want to think about it...
Don't buy the media hype. I've read the bill. Nothing in it comes close to being what's reported. The bill only requires determination of citizenship in the event of police intervention. If you don't get stop for a traffic violation or arrested while or for committing a crime you have absolutely nothing to worry about. As a matter of fact, your the one this country wants to stay here. What part of illegal don't people understand? Entering and residing in the country illegally is a violation of the law just as bank robbery, murder, burglary and fraud. Why should one group be excused on the premise that, "Hey, you didn't catch me coming in so I get to stay and it's wrong for you to enforce the law against me" If we want to ignore the law then get rid of the immigration laws and there will be no illegals here.
oh, i'm not really worried about me. i was just tossing that out as an example, you know, that any decent citizen who was born in the USA could be stopped just because they fit the racial profiling. you don't think they will do racial profiling? Sheriff Joe will dance a jig if they pass it.
p.s. i don't 'buy' media hype. i live here and know what goes on here.
Oh, I don't doubt some of that will take place. Always has, always will. Believe it or not that last interstate poll I looked at show Hispanic support has grown to 61%. I think what with the rise in crime and the death of that farmer people just want something done. In my book that sentiment of 'Just do something' is usually a very bad reason for passing a law. And you're right. Sheriff Joe would line up anyone that didn't look like white bread and have his own Trail of Tears marching them all back across the border whether they were born here or not.
Mhmm. i hate to say it but some of these anti-immigration groups are using the death of that rancher as a knee-jerk springboard for change.
i don't know what poll you are citing but i don't know any hispanic person who would support this bill. even our newspaper's editors told Jan Brewer not to sign it. she is already in hot water over our budget fiasco. this will create paranoia and bad blood all over, and give Sheriff Joe even more power.
Well, for some reason the Mexican Americans aren't enthusiastic about the bill, to put it mildly. One of their leaders called it an invitation for the police to profile and harass Mexican Americans, legal and undocumented. Seems to me we should wait for comprehensive reform before we start a program like this. Years ago the nearly all white police in Detroit were into "STOPPING AND FRISKING" anybody they deemed suspicious, i.e., black people doing nothing more than walking down the street. One day they stopped and frisked a black judge, a pillar of the community, on his way from the court house to the parking lot. He raised a ruckus, and that slowed down the stopping and frisking for a while. Now the police department is fully integrated, and the police chief is black. The department now gets more cooperation from the community.
I wonder whether the police departments in Arizona have more than a few token Mexican-American officers??
Smacks of a watered-down McCarthy era mentality of pinko commies. And they are taking over the country and we are going to prosecute all of them.
This should ruin a lot of lives if it goes through. A witch hunt never produces real witches. Just makes examples out of people who in several cases, are innocent.
It's a mystery to me that a GOP presidential candidate is running behind a jerk like J.D. Hayworth. There are a fair number of right wingnuts in Arizona.
i want to know what is JD's secret. i mean the man is a freakin' blowhard! i can barely stand to look at him
From the text of the bill:
B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).
Not media hype. The bill does not require an arrest or even a traffic stop.
"Lawful contact" Everyone has their opinion but bottom line.....illegal is illegal. I was raised in a foreign country and I can state for a fact the US is the only nation that will not only turn a blind eye to this type of activity but will also feed, clothe and school illegals. By requiring legal residence you'd think we were violating their civil rights which by the way they don't have.
I want to expand on something Ron said. The GOP is so far out on the right wing they can't see the fusalage of the plane through the fog. John McCain HAS crossed the aisle and that is now political heresy. No moderation allowed.
So let's enter your fantasy world. The far right gets and maintains power long enough to repeal everything that smells New Deal. Kill health care. Let business self-regulate. Repeal Medicare. Kill Social Security.
Who is going to take care of the medical needs of the elderly? Insurance?? Old people have more medical problems and less money than you or I do. Some are rich enough to survive - but most people will be bankrupted in the first few years of a serious illness and impoverished after. And rip them off for their Social Security??? There's some compassionate conservatism.
But it's where the strict constitutional interpretation would take us eventually - and I have yet to see a plan from the teabaggers to show me wrong. This is no exageration of the position of conservatives at all. I have just extended them to their logical brutal end.
Did you actually expect a reply to your post. Tea Baggers avoid intelligent dialogue because it requires a knowledge of the topic at hand. After all how can you have dialogue with people who think socialism has crept into our society when the founding fathers brought us the first socialist program in our history "Reconstruction".
There is no country in the world that practices pure capitalism because society would not survive it. No corporation would put quality of life before profits without being forced to do so.
Many Republicans don't like McCain because he's a moderate instead of a far-right conservative. And yes, you're right, he has "crossed the aisle" many times. If Hayworth wins, that will be one more radical in DC. Great. Just what we need.
First off, I want to say that I have TREMENDOUS respect for Senator McCain as a man. He is a trully great american.
That being said, he is basically a moderate democrat who happens to have some socially conservative values and is very pro national defense.
I voted libertarian in the last election, more to make a statement than anything else. Much of the conservative movement (circa 2008) had been hijacked by fiscally liberal, big military/big government social conservatives, which is pretty much the exact oposite of what I am.
Key issues and how I feel
1. Gay marriage- marry or dont marry who you want as long as they are an adult and a human.
2. Gun control- no problem with a waiting period, but it is our right to own weapons, you get rid of the 2nd amendment for me then I want your 1st ammendement rights in exchange..deal?
3. Abortion - really, this hasnt changed in 20 years. No late term unless the mother is at risk or there is some whack exception (incest, rape etc.) If you can't get your act together until the baby is 6 months old then you deserve the pain of child birth. Hello, my mom being Jewish used to say she believed in abortion until I finished Med. School.....HA!
4. War- war sucks, but it is sort of like sex, once you are in you might as well finish. Seriously though, Iraq might end up being a true democracy, worth it? I dont know, but pretty compelling. Afghanistan...well, it sucks, but I was in NYC for 9/11 and we thought these were the guys who did it. Stomp em. Oh, and I am tired of very far left wingers only being anti-war when it is a Conservative in power.
5. Immigration - I am all for immigration. Lets expand our LEGAL immigration paths, simplify it, shorten the process and decrease the cost. But lock down the damn borders, Wal mart is harder to get into then the US. For those breaking the law...umm, well you are breaking the law. I dont care what the motives are. I am sick of hearing about how they want a better life. That is great, and if I was a drug dealer and "just wanted a better life for my family" does that make me not a crimnal? It is the law, enforce the law. There are 2 billion Chinese and Indians who "want a better life" so where you going with that argument?
Love you all!
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