So , we've reached a point in America ,where we're angry ! Oh well, we're American's We're always Angry ! No , that's not what I'm talking about. Americans are angry on the inside to! Understandably angry , we did all the right things ! We voted each time in November . We made time out of our busy schedules to go to town meeetings, Each and every property owner paid their taxes on time ! We make excuses every day for our party politics and drive another spike into the other guys beliefs. We've come to the levels of even apologizing for being Americans to the entire world. Liberals have a major meltdown when we talk about maintaining our heritage. Conservatives blow a gasket when anyone steps on the green grass of home. And yet , we're still angry ! What we are NOT , is CIVIL , Civility is a dying characteristic of our society , Yes ,I know you say ,Discourse . Thats what created this country ! but , No! it isn't, CIVILITY is what created this country. Letting everyone speak their minds , whether you agree or not .
Letting the differences in ideas , in philosophy , in religious differences sit next to you. While at the same time You listened and decided for yourelf ! Where it matters most. In the voting booth! Believe it or not in America , there was a time when politics weren't a fashion statement , something you would where on your sleeve. Politics were almost always something kept to yourself. CIVILITY , however was what was shown in public and in private. We are in flux in America , it seems we have reached a point where , there will be "change", and costs , like it or not Conservatives! AND, there will be accountability and civility whether liberals like it or not. The next step beyond the point where civility is lost? Chaos! And beyond chaos is civil war. So my point! BE CIVIL.
Um....no, civility didn't "create" this Country.
The blood, sweat, and tears of many patriots created this Nation.
People who wanted liberty and were willing to fight for it.
Not the "liberty" that liberals holler for these days, the freedom to spout ignorance and immorality from the rooftops, but the liberty that comes from fighting tyranny.
The liberal agenda has no gratefulness for even their very lives being protected. It seeks to protect their "right" to re-write our moral laws and our literal laws, while soldiers on and off the battlefield give up their lives symbolically and literally.
That doesn't warrant "civility"; it warrants a strong defense, and an offense if necessary.
If libs are "mad as hell" too, then they should take some anger management courses, 'cause THEY have no legitimate reason to even be mad. "Accountability" for the libs? That's laughable!Not one single person has been able to (or had the guts to) properly hold the liberals in our government accountable for any of their actions. Putting conservatives in the same category as liberals doesn't work, because by very definition they're polar opposites.
There's much more at stake here than just someone's feelings being hurt, some fool whining about how people don't understand them, poor thing.
The very foundation of American society is at stake here.
People need to wise up and realize that everything isn't about THEM personally; it's about concepts that cut to the very core of humanity and will effect generations to come if the world stands that long.
That being said, ahorseback, you've made some good points in your assessment. It's true that America is being "apologized for" wrongly, and that concept has been perpetuated upon us from the very "top" (the White House) while our "leader" turns around at the drop of a hat and incites civil unrest toward American citizens.
But calling for civility in these polarizing matters is like entertaining the notion that there can be honest "discourse" with Satan himself. It doesn't work.
Brenda , you are wrong in that civility isn't a huge part of the solution we seek, the hysteria on both sides , has become nothing but partison rhetoric, and civility has been one of the ingrediants of democracy , and from the beginning too! Hell , you can run a sword through someone with civility, but to suggest that we aren't a bunch of crying babies today! Everyone crying louder than the next guy to be heard.? I would honestly rather have a good civil war than exist in a world of spoiled and honor challenged over indulged " me first" Americans...
I wrote a hub about that one like 8 months ago. We are having an Ideological war here in the USA now. And both sides have their heels dug in deeply. It I am afraid is only going to get worse. Hardcore conservatism and hardcore liberalism. The libs are now cannabalizing one of their own, our President. Because he had the audacity to try to move towards the center. We definitely could use more civility though.
I agree 100%--and have been spouting off about it for months, lol...
You put it much better than I could have, though...thanks.
I must add first good morning and I think Canada sucks for so many same reasons
Is it general cause I can't seem to swallow there being more hard than soft, just looking for a sign I suppose.
Have a good one!
Civility in America is dead. It's all about screaming louder than the next guy, rudeness, overwhelming people with loud rhetoric, lots of hot air everywhere.
Civility has been replaced by stupidity.
Political correctness has stiffled self expression to the point of explosion. Changing the drumbeat of the country now will be very difficult. I'm not saying that we are headed for all out civil war. However I do believe that widespread unrest is headed our way. Think, riots.
and you, CJ, are absolutely right.
Here is a good example:
Here the ACLU is not defending liberty, but actually threatening school districts. Who are they? The party police?
I'm American and I'm not angry and I'm quite civil. Politics is not what guides our lives. We have come to believe (because of insane media) that politics defines who we are and whether we're successful or going down the tubes. It's nothing but a lie. If politics define you, you've become a robot.
Right on RebekahELLE!! I'm not an angry American either. I think people need to only listen to the media with a grain of salt. I feel the media only give information they want citizens to know. The media never delivers the whole story. And as for politics it leaves much to be desired on that subject.
What a sensible, civil perspective. Thank you, Rebekah!
Maybe in the forum only, news, media etc. The people I talked to everywhere they say what is on their mind but they are still respectful of others opinion and they don't talk about politics so much.
Civility. What are the rules?
Does civility mean you act "civilly" only toward those who agree with you, or does it mean that you act civilly toward everyone?
When you're positive you're right & they're wrong, should you still try to debate "civilly?"
your quote brings Thoreau's Civil Disobedience to mind. written in 1849, it's still relevant today.
Those who, while they disapprove of the character and measures of a government, yield to it their allegiance and support are undoubtedly its most conscientious supporters, and so frequently the most serious obstacles to reform.
I'm not saying complacency in the face of injustice is a good thing.
It's hard to argue with Thoreau's statement and we have the opportunity to put his opinion to work each election day.
MLK was "civil" even when practicing civil disobedience. Civil isn't as strong a word as "courteous." It just means refraining from degrading and insulting others -- we can still interact and debate.
Politics and Religion can be debated civilly, even in the forums where anonymity may tempt us to release some kind of pent-up anger on someone who is "stupid, just wrong, ignorant..." (These are all words that show up now and then in this venue).
Of course, I could be wrong about all of this....
EXACTLY ! MLK , in spite even of his personal faults , was civil!
and I completely agree with you.
civility doesn't mean complacency.
Thoreau was very civil when he was helping slaves escape through the woods.
I think often people's allegiance to a political ideology blinds them from what is essential and necessary.
I feel greed is the root of the worlds problem. IF we wer all considerate about others and just flat out be a caring village the US and world would be a better place.
Everyone is so caught up in themselves and do little if anything for their neighbors.
I have to wonder why our media and our government want hysteria in our lives. And we all know they are connected . I believe America has gone corporate , always was , but! Now our whitehouse , congress , senate , all of it "Corporate" , I think its the old divide and conquer trick . Keep us divided , ,as a people ! And they control the whole hysteria driven machine ! How rich was your congressman before he took office? .....After? Who are the ones behind your presidental candidate......you don't even know , but you got your partison rhetoric down pat! We orgot how to think for ourselves in America ! P C.....rules.
Sometimes I feel like I must be living in my own country, to hear every one else. I do what I want, when I want it. I have no bills, nobody bothers me.
In fact I'm quite happy, as opposed to everyone else, and I am that way no matter who is in office. I think for myself.
If this country does go so far as to make my life bad, I will simply move somewhere else, simple. Change always takes place, in all things, in every place.
Thats interesting , but isn't that what got us here in the first place? Apathy and complacency.....I'll just let everyone else fight for the blissfull freedoms I enjoy? I can always run to Canada or Switzerland. Now they know all about peace, and they also know all about letting someone else do the right thing..... being vigilant!
Sorry that was a bad rap on Canada. Canada has done alot .
Well being a couch fighter does not do much either. So you think this country has big problems? Fine, what have you done about it, besides mouthing off here?
I'm living a good life, I have no need to act on anything. Sure this country has lots of problems, they all do. But it's the best I can see so far.
I'm fine with it, and don't feel any need to do a damn thing. If you hate this place so much maybe your the one who should be checking out the ski slopes in Switzerland.
Ok maybe that was a bit too much. I'm just saying not everyone is running around saying we are all doomed. Some of us have a life to live.
Only problem with that is sooner or later you run out of places to run to. Switserland ? No thanks , I'll stay in a nation worthy of civility. And even one with unrest in civility. A true patriot doen't bury his head in the sand. Oh sorry ,maybe that was a bit much!
Actually I love the sandy beaches here in Florida!
It's all cool, I know your just trying to draw attention to what you believe is wrong. Better than doing nothing, right? For the most part I agree with you, I just don't let it bother me as much as some do, that's all.
My whole point about civility is this. We can disagree without being uncivil. Even to the point of violence and war . But when we reduce our arguments to name calling and self induced ignorance of manors , we lose . Because at that point , what is worth defending anyway? If we teach our children manors in arguing and discourse , then we already win!
Loss of civility comes from a loss of respect. We no longer respect difference. I think in part that comes from what CJ said about Political Correctness stifling people. For twenty or thirty years, massive groups of people have been told they couldn't speak their feelings aloud. Not only did that build pressure to explosive levels, it completely stopped the dialogue. So now we have angry people AND no momentum for cooperative effort.
Add to that an increasingly isolated society of people who never interact with other humans in meaningful ways. The grocer, the banker and mailman whose names we used to know, we don't. They have "quick"-check out lines at the grocery where you ring up your own stuff now. There are ATMs everywhere, and mailboxes are stacked in clusters on the corners of suburban blocks far away from our front doors. We never talk to grocers and bankers and mailmen any more. The number of strangers in our world grows with every new machine.
Large percentages of our "friends" are online people we never see, never eat with, never touch or hug. We drive to work alone in our cars, snarling at that a$$hole in the other car for how he drives even though if that person were our mom or our best friend we would have waved them in front of us with a smile. We don't talk to the people around us anymore; we have our ear buds in or we are texting to people we already know rather than interacting with the real humans around us, the "strangers," as we stand in line or sit in the subway or the bus. We have lost our civility because we live in a society where we don't practice it anymore. We have turned inward and live too much inside ourselves instead of living looking outward as people situated in a physical world with other physical bodies.
If you think there is no civility, look in the mirror and you'll see why.
I would love to see a hub from you on this Shades. Seriously. And I agree with you whole heartedly. Holly
Ok , Ill bite , I just looked in the mirror and puff , I see a civil guy . Now why is that? .......While I agree with your post , The only problem with not having normal interactions with others is just what I'm saying . We are dumbing ourselves down in civil means of communicating. We can all type 100 words a minite, we have 3 computors in the average house , we can all drive through a red light and flip the bird to the guy stopping . And all at the same time! But we can't listen to others without blowing a gasket.
First you can only really controll your own actions in discourse. When dicussions become heated, there has to be a way to release pressure and cool off. The higher the stakes, the harder this is to accomplish.
In relationships no issue makes for a better argument than MONEY. Right now the nation is coming to the realization that we are broke, near broke or at the very least in serious financial trouble. What's worse is that to some the prospects for the future don't look all that promising. This puts people in a very disgruntled mood. When two people have this problem it's hard to walk away and calm down. When a NATION is having this problem it's nearly impossible and will often lead to civil unrest.
Wether we are willing to admit it or not, society at large measures winners and loosers/right and wrong. Arguing, while seemingly ugly in it's most extreme form, is actually a non violent way of warning off the other guy. The idea is that you wear them out emotionaly if you can't covince them rationaly. It's a double edged sword though. Turning up the heat too fast will likely cause an immediate and intense explosion. Turning up the heat to slowly will only harden the resolve. Our temperments must be anealed. This is done by cooling off slowly. Don't discuss the issue until you are fully able. Set clear goals for the discussion. Make sure there is a point and an ends thats worth achieving.
CJ. Good points , funny though isn't it ? For years I have said that people won't get angry enough to change our country for the better , until we get hungry , I guess I was Wrong! They won't get angry until you take their credit cards away.....Perhaps we can call the next revolution ...credolution!
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