Is President Trump an Agent of a Foreign Power, namely Russia?

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   crankaliciousposted 6 years ago

   Has President Trump been compromised? Does Russia have something on President Trump that would cause him to say things and create policy that favor Russia?
   
   After Helsinki, it's hard not to wonder if something is terribly wrong. Real Americans everywhere, regardless of party affiliation, should be asking these questions and worrying. Regardless of our differences, this is our country.
   
   It's not like this has come from nowhere and it's not like it's just one party anymore asking these questions. It's everyone, liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans. Here's a small sampling of people, on the left and right, sounding the alarm bells.
   
   https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/n … s-web-luke
   
   https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 … ald-trump/
   
   https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/03/is … mpromised/
   
   People who are starting to wonder about Trump:
   
   https://nypost.com/2018/07/22/schiff-tr … -by-putin/
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR94iiIXoRc
   
   https://twitter.com/senjohnmccain/statu … 2904299520
   
   https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/us/p … putin.html
   
   http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p … story.html
   
   https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17575750/ … p-helsinki
   
   https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-at-h … 1532034607

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      JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      At this point, perhaps another way to ask the question is the following:
      
      "Was Traitor Trump ever 100% loyal to the USA?"
      
      The mountain of damning evidence collected to date strongly suggests the answer is NO:
      
      'Prominent GOP congressman and former CIA agent says Trump is being manipulated by Putin'
      
      https://www.businessinsider.com/will-hu … nce-2018-7

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         MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         For whatever reason, Jake, I don't think there's any doubt about it. Trump is Putin's puppet. It is finally happening, he can't keep his lies straight and people are getting tired of it. During the Vietnam War the ruler of Cambodia was sorta like Trump. I remember seeing a cartoon in a newspaper. It was captioned "The Great Cambodian Jumping Frog." I think of it every time Trump makes another leap into fantasyland. What can we caption him?

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            JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            MizBejabbers: Mr. Trump is losing republicans and independent voters en mass at this point, but what else could he possibly expect?:
            
            The unknown multiple layers of lies and deception Mr. Trump has uttered in person and via his little twitter rage rants have unquestionably boxed him in to a legal mess with stakes as high as life imprisonment or even worse for his despicable acts of treason, one count committed as recently as his atrocious betrayal of the USA in Helsinki while standing next to who everyone believes by now is his master controller, Vladimir Putin:
            
            A quote from Donald Junior as reported by many reputable sources:
            
            “In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008.
            
            Nothing less than SHOCKING:
            
            https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- … sia-2018-2
            
            
            Mr. Trump is irrefutably his own worst, self destructive mentally bankrupt enemy who truly is so delusional and narcissistic that he believes he can get away with blatant, serious federal crimes committed in broad daylight: PATHETIC: We'll soon find out if we are still a nation of laws for ALL to obey:
            
            His attorney’s as ignorant and inept as they are, will never allow him to face Mueller’s prosecutors:

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               MizBejabbersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Did you see today's news in which the tape Cohen made of the discussion of the payoff between Trump and himself to Karen McDougal has Trump by the shorthairs? All of the major news organizations are carrying the story. Take your pick. I'm anxious to see how the Trump-thumpers explain this Trump lie away. He lies! He lies! He lies!

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                  ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Delusional hopefulness is how I describe it ! .

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                  Live to Learnposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Please name one politician who hasn't lied to the American public. Or one man who doesn't lie through his teeth to avoid being outed in an affair. Or one guy who won't use resources available to keep an affair quiet.
                  
                  Is his behavior despicable? You betcha. Worthy of this moral outrage? Would be, if such outrage was expressed across the board when any politician lies, lies and lies and is found doing despicable things.

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                     JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     More false comparisons? There are zero valid comparisons between Bozo Trump's constant flow of dangerous falsehoods and any other politician in history and that's a well known fact:
                     
                     Why do some Trump fans constantly attempt to defend the indefensible while Mr. Trump self implodes? Is it just an internet hobby to see how many gullible people there are in the USA?:
                     
                     In reality, we have never experienced a more corrupt serial liar like soon to be removed Donald Trump who could give a damn about you, your family or this once great nation while conducting secret covert meetings with his master Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, then blatantly committing the serious federal crime of treason by betraying the USA on national television when he aided and comforted the Russian dictator while questioning our own intelligence agencies: despicable Unacceptable and nothing less than CRIMINAL:
                     
                     "President Trump lied more than 3,000 times in 466 days"
                     
                     https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/01/politics … index.html

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                        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        The difference ?  Monica's  DNA splashed blue dress took years to admit or prove , "Orange man" admits his faults splashed all over the media and your party's adoringly  outraged  why ?

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.

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   Glenis Rixposted 6 years ago

   A recent documentary on British tv suggested that Putin is a front for the Russian mafia and to some extent controlled by them. If that is the case, whatever  is going on between Putin and Trump, it wouldn’t surprise me if big money is involved somewhere along the line of communication between the two of them. I can’t help feeling that Trump is politically naive about international politics. I’m starting to feel a bit sorry for him, because he is out of his depth.

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      JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Worth another look: Aside from the fact that the Russian dictator could probably buy and sell the Trump Organization a few thousand times over, this could be one more reason why The Trump Family are frightened to death of Vladimir Putin who holds them all securely under his Russian thumb:
      
      Damning evidence: Report from the 'Business Insider': Another block of evidence which contradicts Mr. Trump's constant flow of lies stating he has no business interests in Russia:
      
      "Trump's oldest son said a decade ago that a lot of the family's assets came from Russia"
      
      "In terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Trump Jr. said during a conference in New York in 2008."
      
      https://www.businessinsider.com/donald- … sia-2018-2

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         

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   ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

   More important question ; How is it possible that there are so many 'main stream "liberals here that follow an alt-reality -media agenda as if they are hypnotized by a lifetime of swallowing Gummy Bears spiked with Maoist brain freeze powders.
   
   
   I sure hate to blame Gummy Bears.

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      crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Unfortunately for your Sean Hannity/Alex Jones inspired rantings, the links provide a cross-section of evidence that the concern for our country's future come from both Democrats and Republicans.

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         ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I listen to either of those two names .........
         Now what ?

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            crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Okay, I'll rephrase if it makes you happy, "Unfortunately for your Breitbart inspired alt-right rantings, the links provide a cross-section of evidence that the concern for our country's futures comes from both Democrats and Republicans".
            
            The point, really, is that this concern for our nation's future is coming from both liberals and conservatives, which is not surprising, because when our country's future is at stake, usually Americans come together as Americans.

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               ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Then IF that is true , Why are liberals taking their own sweet resistance time catching up  ?   What your saying is that yes , liberals are behind Trump's campaign of draining the swamp , lowering taxes , cutting government size and regulatory stranglehold , ending unhinged illegal immigration , stopping the incredible  costs and ineptitude of our education system ,  forcing congress to actually accomplish something ,anything ...........?
               
               Nnnnnope............can't swallow that load of crap.

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                  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  More Flying Spaghetti Monster.
                  
                  Always changing the subject. Boring.
                  
                  The subject of this forum is Donald Trump's apparent willingness to subject America to the whims of the Russians and whether or not he's working on their behalf for some reason. Both liberals and conservatives appear concerned.

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                     ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Cranky ! Not in this reality are some real conservatives concerned , I accept that the" John McCain's" out there are concerned ,  You do mean your opinion ".......that Trump is subject to the whims ........" right ?
                     
                     Apparently either the left absolutely has a brain freeze about their own leaders and Putin  OR they are once again slicing heavily into the pie of hypocrisy again.  The evidence shows ;
                     
                     

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   Onusonusposted 6 years ago

   Democrats are against other countries meddling in our elections. Except Mexico. Because Mexicans vote Democrat.

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      JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If the Mexicans you refer to are American Citizens then yes, we have always invited them to vote Democratic just like ALL other hard working Americans because progressive democrats are aligned with their best interests, we don't institute Corporate Welfare Tax Cut scams like Bozo Trump and his republican accomplices which transfer more of our wealth to greedy rich pigs, we advocate for much higher minimum wages for workers, something that will never ever happen under soon to be removed Trump::

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         How can a Mexican be an American citizen?  Immigration virtually requires giving up citizenship in another country.
         
         We know you advocate starting the inflation cycle again but that can never be a good thing.  Not sure I'd brag about it.

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            JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Is this some kind of trick question? Well let me give you the answer: A Mexican can be a citizen just like a German or Spanish or Irish person can be an American Citizen, but from what I can tell, this discussion is NOT about Bozo Trump's racism, fascism and criminal human rights violations regarding immigration for which he must pay a significant price, it's about the impostor president who bows down to our number one enemy Vladimir Putin behind closed doors and if he doesn't pay a severe legal price for these betrayals as well, the precedent of 'legalized:treason' will be established:

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               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Very few German citizens are American citizens.  Same for Spanish or Irish citizens.  Which I'm sure you know. 
               
               Good thing it isn't about Trump's racism, fascism or criminal human rights violations as there would be nothing to talk about except Jakes vivid imagination.
               
               But "impostor"?  Perhaps you are uninformed, but President Trump was elected, fair and square, and cannot be an "impostor" as a result.  Do try and keep up - this bit of information is known to even small children and is 2 years old!

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                  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm not sure what you're reading wilderness but I never said German 'citizens' I said 'Germans', readers should go back and read what I said for the truth:
                  
                  There's a big difference and as a matter of fact despite your assertion to the contrary, there are MILLIONs of Germans and Spanish and Irish who are indeed American Citizens just like Mexicans: That's just a well known fact but in this forum, we are concerned with the assumption and control of an impostor president who was embedded by Russia and according to public behavior, holds a deep allegiance to said enemy country:

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                     wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Then they aren't "Mexicans": they are Americans.  Immigrated from Mexico, but Americans.  And Americans have every right to vote in our elections, whereas Mexicans do not. 
                     
                     This is really pretty simple: to vote you must be an American.  We don't care where you were born, but you must be an American.  With the exception, of course, in areas/states that are happy to have foreigners telling them how they must live and under what laws.  There are idiots everywhere, after all.

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                        JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        This is really simple and I refuse to have a debate when there is none to be had, especially in a forum designed to talk about a dangerous Russia controlled poodle occupying the white house, but let me be clear, FYI, American Citizenship does not change your blood, so every German who has citizenship is a German with American Citizenship, same with Irish etc:

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                           wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           You got it right (for once): citizenship does not change your blood (or your DNA, for that matter).  Probably why we don't do a blood test before voting.
                           
                           But no, Americans are not Germans (with a very few exceptions as some people DO have dual citizenship).  Ask any lawyer - we ARE discussing voting rights of citizens, a legal matter and not heritage - so citizenship is rather important and the vast majority of immigrants give up their original citizenship. 
                           
                           I can understand the unwillingness to debate, though - you made a silly statement, and have repeated it several times, apparently in an effort to convince readers that Americans of Mexican descent are not allowed to vote.  It's understandable that you don't refuse to accept you're wrong, though you know you are, and thus won't debate.

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                              JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              I have no idea what you're even talking about wilderness, but I guess according to your science studies, when a German becomes a U.S. Citizens his or her blood miraculously transforms from German, into the red, white and blue 'stars and stripes':
                              
                              Anyway, how did you like Traitor Trump's betrayal of the United States in Helsinki with his public display of treachery right in front of his master Vladimir Putin on nationwide television? Has he established a dangerous 'legalized treason' precedent, or will he be penalized severely for his crimes?

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                                 wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 I'll try just once more.  "German" is defined as nationality, and that requires citizenship.  It is not a race and and it is not defined as location of birth.  It is where citizenship is.  But you're right - the blood does not change color when changing citizenship.  It remains the same red as everyone else's in the world, regardless of where they were born, and Germans, Mexicans, and Americans all have the same blood.
                                 
                                 Do you know the definition of "treachery", either?  Or even "crime"?  "betrayal"?  You might want to look those up...an honestly apply the definitions to what you know (not what you think) happened.

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         Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, we all know that Democrats are in favor of hyper inflation, and devaluing the dollar. But perhaps you may not have heard that California is allowing illegals to vote in their elections. That is the state with the most electoral votes in the nation openly allowing foreign entities to influence this country's elections.

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            JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Perhaps you didn't know, but that's just one of Bozo Trump's blatant lies, and you really should be focused on Comrade Trump licking Vladimir Putin's dirty boots in Helsinki when he said he believed Putin's 'strong and powerful' words over our own intelligence agencies: TREACHERY
            
            Donny Boy is sinking fast in a self induced implosion and thank God, it shouldn't be long now and he will take to prison with him many republican accomplices: His little repugnantkin minions in congress are desperately trying to impeach Rosenstein which tells you just how frightened they are:
            
            Yes, you heard that correctly, republicans are NOT impeaching Bozo Trump for his innumerable crimes including treachery and treason, but they are desperately trying to impeach the patriotic man who is overseeing the investigation into Mr. Trump's Russian ties: UNREAL and Americans are outraged:

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               Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               They are allowing illegals to vote in school board elections. Influence the next generation in the classroom with unchallenged leftist Marxist ideology. That is a historic tactic of Russian active measures to weaken and destroy their enemies.

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                  JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh yeah right, school board elections, I guess that's just like the presidential election right?
                  
                  And why are you bringing up lame, fox fake channel style republican talking points in a discussion forum which was established to talk about the distinct possibility of Traitor Trump being compromised and controlled by our number one enemy Vladimir Putin? I'm sure there are many evil racist, fascist HATE discussions about this topic elsewhere aren't there?

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                     Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Interesting that Democrats believe Russia is the number one enemy again, I remember when Obama told Romney "the 1980's called and they want their foreign policy back". Had Hillary won, The rolls would be reversed.
                     Hence the two parties act like they hate each other when in reality they prop each other up.
                     
                     Face it, the only thing they care about is filling their own pocketbooks.

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                        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Well said ..................

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                        JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Actually, aside from the fact that Hillary is the real president according to fox fake channel, she's actually irrelevant now other than being a person who cares about her country and the millions who occupy it and it's beyond tired and boring to keep using your hatred for her as some kind of defense for Bozo Trump's blatant crimes, and guess what? Hillary is a grandma in New York now and Bozo Trump will be very fortunate if he receives a LIFE sentence for his betrayals of the United States:
                        
                        Without his comrades in Russia, we would have remained a great and prosperous nation, not a big pile of rubble which the orange madman has reduced us to:
                        
                        "If Cohen Is Telling the Truth, That Ought to Be Ballgame"
                        
                        https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p … ng-don-jr/

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                           Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't like either of them, I just agree with Trump on a few things. The fact that you like Hillary this much really creeps me out though.

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years ago

   Somebody just asked me if I know the meaning of the following word and yes, of course I do and Mr. Trump displays this and MORE in public: Will he be severely penalized for his betrayal of the USA or has precedent been set for any person to do what he has done with impunity?
   
   treach·er·y
   ˈtreCH(ə)rē/Submit
   noun
   betrayal of trust; deceptive action or nature.
   "his resignation was perceived as an act of treachery"
   synonyms:    betrayal, disloyalty, faithlessness, unfaithfulness, infidelity, breach of trust, duplicity, dirty tricks, deceit, deception, chicanery, stab in the back, backstabbing, double-dealing, untrustworthiness; treason, two-timing; literaryperfidy
   "Myrna never forgave Warren his treachery"

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Good!  That's one less word you can use then, at least if you read what you copied.
      
      Keep in mind that those that wanted him to continue the same failed liberal policies of the Democrats never DID trust him - nothing to betray - and those that wished a change to a more rational philosophy are getting what they want.  No "betrayal of trust" either way, then.

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         JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Mr. Trump's federal crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocious acts of betrayal, ineptitude, self absorbed mental breakdowns, blatant racism, fascism, nazi sympathizing, despicable misogyny and intentional acts of undermining the USA and her economy and national security by obeying Vladimir Putin's every order, have absolutely nothing to do with Successful Liberal, Progressive worker and senior friendly policies which under strong, intelligent President Obama provided unprecedented job creation and healthcare for all:

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You're right.  Nothing to do with liberal. 
            
            Also nothing to do with "federal crimes, crimes against humanity" or "betrayal, ineptitude, self absorbed mental breakdowns, blatant racism, fascism, nazi sympathizing, despicable misogyny and intentional acts of undermining the USA and her economy and national security"  Outside of your own overactive imagination, of course.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            Got to hand it to you Jake , you sure have one !

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               JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               
               
               Well ahorseback, I'd be surprised if Mueller doesn't already have corroborating evidence, but you and all the Trump Cultees had better pray you're simply imagining this report about Cohen testifying that Bozo Trump was aware of the treasonous Trump Tower meeting cause it ain't gonna be pretty:
               
               "If Cohen Is Telling the Truth, That Ought to Be Ballgame"
               
               https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p … ng-don-jr/

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   Onusonusposted 6 years ago

   So here's just a small example that shows both sides will switch their morals based on how their party decides to swing on the issue. There are no morals, there's nothing set in stone, just two sides passing off the mantle between each other, maintaining the status quo, and getting nothing real accomplished.
   
   In presidential elections people don't vote for the candidate they like, they vote against the candidate they hate.   
   
   

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Onusonus ,  Now this is just the kind of malarkey that will get us all ignored by that liberal party , Thanks a million ..............;-]

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         Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Liberals are too far gone. At least conservatives recognize that morality does not come from government. Trump is a fallible man and is subject to our scrutiny. To them Obama is a God.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Ohhhh yea Obama is a god .   Atheists that they are .

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years ago

   
   
   Still obsessed with President Obama and Hillary? Lame, boring and predictable false comparisons just like Bozo Trump's stale, yet very dangerous monologue? Well, sorry to tell ya, but your unmitigated seething hatred of good and righteous President Obama who established a system of healthcare for every parent and child, presided over one the greatest U.S. economies in history for 8 straight years, and was respected by all world leaders including our enemies such a s Vladimir Putin, will never save evil, sick in the head Bozo Trump nor his family of  grifters from justice:

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      Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry to tell you but Obama never got a 4.1 GDP.

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