AP article of today on Iraqi-Saddam nuclear yellowcake

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   SparklingJewelposted 16 years ago

   Did you catch the article? One more piece to the puzzle revealed.
   Go to AP homepage and type a Query "Iraq yellowcake" to access article...it is not on any homepage for news except Fox (not even APs homepage !?)
   
   hummmmmmmmm

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      Zarm Nefilinposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Fox is still drumming the old beat that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction and will be even if they have to falsify evidence and end up getting shutdown by the govt.  They are an extremist news organization in my opinion.  Not extremist in the sense of "most people do not listen to them", extremist in the sense that their messages and propaganda often run counter to known facts, they seek to undermine anyone and anything and any fact that stands in the way of neo-conservative ideological global hegemony.  They would keep pushing the idea that Saddam had weapons of Mass Destruction if Jesus Christ himself came down and told us all that he did not (supposing christ existed), they are mindless zombies .
      
      They are basically Bush's Butthole (IMO).

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         SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         The article came from the Associated Press (AP), not Fox news...they just reprinted it. Fox is no worse than any other news media, just different. I don't see how people can be so blind to that. They preach to their crowd as other news organizations preaches to theirs. It's funny how we all hear things differently
         
         i am waiting for a news media that is unbiased and factual...the Jim Lehear news hour on PBS is the closest I have heard yet...as if anyone can really know the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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            Zarm Nefilinposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Psychiologically it is impossible for any news source to be unbiased without ending up looking like test results from a test report.  This is basic human psychology.
            
            Secondly, while CNN can be bad, Fox News is far more interested in the partisan efforts of the New Republicans, and as such will say *almost* anything that promotes that angle. 
            
            On a Propaganda scale of 1-10 I would say that CNN sits comfortably at 7 and Fox News hits a full ten (imo).  Take that as you will, but that is my opinion and it is based on experience with Fox News and CNN and radio pundits and drudge and everything you could possibly imagine.  Most of it is garbage.
            
            The best place for news is either A.  A Newspaper or B. Yahoo AP News or C.  Youtube segments of Main Stream Media that I can actually stop and rewind and check the sources out on.  or D.  All of the Above.   I dissect those those things and with all that + my brain it's a slam dunk.
            
            Also if you reread that yellowcake article and try to mentally take blinders off I think you might find that one sentence that reads thus:
            
            "There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said."
            
            Which means the first Bush dealt with that problem.
            
            Geeze SJ

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               SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               exactly...the yellowcake that they just moved was from 1991 or earlier...it was there all this time...and it was/is still volatile, right? that's why it was kept silent, but of concern,...and now has been sold to Canada to be used for safe nuclear energy use.

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                  lolo
                  
                  Kept silent ? lolo
                  
                  Both Iran and Israel bombed this facilityin the 1980s because there was yellowcake there and Hussein was trying to build a nuclear power plant.
                  
                  You seem to be forgetting Hussein was our friend and your country funded him for a long time lolo
                  
                  Volatile lolol
                  
                  I suppose if you breath enough of it in it could be dangerous
                  
                  Just ask any ceramist that uses yellow glazes.
                  
                  It is dirt with uranium in. Just what threat do you see here ? lolo Some Iranian "Terrorist," sneaking through the gates with 500 tons of uranium dirt in his pocket lolo
                  
                  It is not truly dangerous until it has been refined. And it is only volatile in certain cases - like when it is stuffed in a metal casing and exploded in a controlled fashion - you know, the way your country exploded some in Japan - twice.
                  
                  Still wanting to know how this fits into your "puzzle," lolo
                  
                  And just exactly how many other pieces are in this puzzle lolo
                  
                  "Safe" nuclear energy lolo
                  
                  Here is a news article from cbc news about how radioactive the Canadian town that processes the ore has become:
                  
                  http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/ … anium.html
                  
                  Perhaps this will fill in the last of your puzzle.
                  
                  What puzzle by the way?

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                     SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                     It's not "my puzzle" I just look for potential pieces...unlike you, I don't know everything!

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                        Well, you added this as I was writing. So - I have a question for you -
                        
                        Why did Iraq invade Kuwait?

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                           SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                           Didn't you listen to the video I posted recently about the baptist minister and the big oily heads? listen and you will find "an" answer. Then you tell me,  Is it the same answer you have?

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   Jim Lehear news hour is right wing. The Yellow Cake is from the nuke plant the Israelis  bombed pre '91. Shipped to Canada
   for processing. Nothing to do with anything after the first gulf war.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, but there are some people who are prepared to believe that Jim is unbiased and this is proof that Hussein was building WMDs lol
      
      Despite the fact that this is extremely old "news" and any one with a brain knows it would have taken 15 years and 10000% more resources than he had to turn this into a weapon.
      
      PROOF!
      
      Fox news at its finest. lolo
      
      Gotta love the midwest

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         SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         You guys...this is from the Associated Press, July 6th 2008...not Fox news

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            Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            You are saying that as though the typical mid-westerner gets his news from AP and not Fox. And that AP is not in the business of twisting the news to put a spin on it.
            
            This is Associated Press News lead paragraph on the story:
            
            The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
            
            The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed material for higher-grade nuclear enrichment - was a significant step toward closing the books on Saddam's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S. and Iraqi authorities who had worried the cache would reach insurgents or smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
            
            And you yourself said it was "one more piece of the puzzle,."
            
            What puzzle? That Iraq purchased 500 tons of practically useless uranium ore from Niger and was storing at a proposed nuclear reactor site which was bombed for that reason by the Israelis back in 1991? Seventeen Years Ago
            
            Do you have any idea what is necessary to turn this into a bomb of some kind? If that would be possible. It requires enormous amounts of refining just to turn it into fuel reactors.
            
            To read that headline, you would think this was a major step of some sort, instead of the disposal of useless and unusable uranium that is potentially hazardous.
            
            So, what is the puzzle?

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      SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      could you give me your sources of each of these points that are verifiable according to standards  beyond reproach After all it did come from the ASSOCIATED PRESS not Fox news.
      
      I find it very hard to beleive Leher is right wing...the PBS (public broadcasting station) here in the twin cities would have nothing to do with right wing stuff from everything I have heard the last 15 years I have lived here...again...your sources please

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   'Archer Daniels Midland Co. today has agreed to plead guilty and pay a $100 million criminal fine--the largest criminal antitrust fine ever.' Former long time sponsors of Leher. Some other criminal stuff as well but can't remember. Leher helped get Bush II elected by asking the easiest questions of him, in a debate ever. Leher says he never votes because it would interfer with his objectivity. On the other hand Robert MacNeil did a great mini series called 'The Story of English' 1986.

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   'In October 2006, a study by the left-oriented media analysis group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) accused The NewsHour of lacking balance, diversity, and viewpoints of the general public, in favor of Republican and corporate viewpoints. FAIR studied NewsHour's guest list for the 6 months October 2005 to March 2006. Republicans outnumbered Democrats 2:1 (66% to 33%). People of color made up only 15% of US sources. Alberto Gonzales accounted for 30% of Latino sources, while Condoleezza Rice accounted for 13% of African-American sources. Hurricane Katrina victims were 46% of all African-American sources. On Iraq, "stay the course" sources outnumbered pro-withdrawal sources 5:1 (this ratio continued even after polls favored a withdrawal from Iraq). Not a single peace activist appeared. Public interest groups were 4% of sources. Current and former government and military officials were 50% of sources.' This is a study of the Jim Lehrer Newshour. But it doesn't take a study to notice the same.

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   Puzzlin' Evidence - Talking Heads 1986.

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   SparklingJewelposted 16 years ago

   “Hear about the 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium found in Iraq? No? Why should you? It doesn’t fit the media’s neat story line that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq posed no nuclear threat when we invaded in 2003. It’s a little known fact that, after invading Iraq in 2003, the U.S. found massive amounts of uranium yellowcake, the stuff that can be refined into nuclear weapons or nuclear fuel, at a facility in Tuwaitha outside of Baghdad. In recent weeks, the U.S. secretly has helped the Iraqi government ship it all to Canada, where it was bought by a Canadian company for further processing into nuclear fuel—thus keeping it from potential use by terrorists or unsavory regimes in the region. This has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media. Yet, as the AP reported, this marks a ‘significant step toward closing the books on Saddam’s nuclear legacy.’ Seems to us this should be big news. After all, much of the early opposition to the war in Iraq involved claims that President Bush ‘lied’ about weapons of mass destruction and that Saddam posed little if any nuclear threat to the U.S. This more or less proves Saddam in 2003 had a program on hold for building WMD and that he planned to boot it up again soon...Saddam acquired most of his uranium before 1991, but still had it in 2003, when invading U.S. troops found the stuff... That means Saddam held onto it for more than a decade. Why? He hoped to wait out U.N. sanctions on Iraq and start his WMD program anew. This would seem to vindicate Bush’s decision to invade.” —Investor’s Business Daily

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   'Investors Business Daily also carries editorials and columns on topics from "economics and government to politics and culture"[2]. Its editorials generally take a conservative to libertarian stance, and have been popular with conservative and libertarian bloggers. It carries columns from writers "On The Left and On The Right"[3], including L. Brent Bozell, Richard Cohen, E. J. Dionne, Victor Davis Hanson, Charles Krauthammer, and Thomas Sowell. Pulitzer-winning cartoonist Michael Ramirez has worked for IBD since late 2005. Investors Business Daily also publishes editorials skeptical about global warming and the proposed solutions to fight climate change. The newspaper is often criticized for being excessively devoted to large corporations.' From Wikipedia.

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   SparklingJewelposted 16 years ago

   I like Charles Krauthammer...I call him "the Turtle". He looks like one don't you think...in a cute sort of way. But truly, I really like what he has to say. I just recently found out he is in a wheel chair.

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   Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

   lolo
   
   Gotta love the midwest.
   
   Just because you are ignorant of the fact that there was unprocessed uranium ore in Iraq in 1981 when Israel bombed the plant does not mean that everyone else is. Have you even done any research whatsoever as to how practical it would be to make a weapon from this?
   
   And as for this "news" quote from the investors business daily - lolololo - No vested interest there lololo
   
   Seriously - you need to educate yourself a little. I am well aware that this ore was in Iraq. As is the rest of the world.
   
   Why is it a surprise to you and why on earth are you using it to justify the war on Iraq?
   
   And what is the puzzle?

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      SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      justify the war in iraq? My what conclusions people jump too...tells me a lot about where your bias is...part of the mass consciousness why does someone get so huffy about bits of information...watch the video- I believe in your ability to figure out how to access it.
      
      As for the puzzle, it doesn't interest you in the least to find out who are those behind running the world, who are the pawns, and who is as uneducated as me!?   Are you satisfied to sit back and be sarcastic and cynical about what is happening in the world, thinking you are somehow not involved and not "run" like a machine by forces beyond your control.
      ooooh! Twilight zone

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         Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         LOL
         
         When some one starts a thread about yellowcake in Iraq which is "volatile" being "secretly" shipped to Canada for "safe" processing which adds another piece to the "puzzle" I draw certain conclusions. If you are actually saying some thing else, please enlighten me.
         
         You could start by posting a link to this video you are talking about.
         
         But if you prefer to communicate in this fashion - you go right ahead. I am sure it does not cause you any issues in your daily life.
         
         Myself - I try to communicate as clearly as possible.
         
         I know who runs the world:
         
         
         Oil companies
         Corporations
         Churches
         Governments
         
         In that order.

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    Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

    You didn't post a video that I could get to work.
    
    Please answer the 2 questions I posed.
    
    What is the puzzle that the yellowcake provided a piece for and why did Iraq invade Kuwait?

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    'What is the puzzle that the yellowcake provided a piece for and why did Iraq invade Kuwait?' I for one will be waiting to hear.

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    Mark Knowlesposted 16 years ago

    SJ -  As I think about your last comment as to me not thinking I have anything to do with the way the planet is being run and just sit around being sarcastic - I wonder if you have actually read any of my work?
    
    Here are a few links:
    
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Whats-hot-for-2008
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Five-gadgets-yo … hout-maybe
    http://hubpages.com/hub/Making-Moneys-Online
    http://markpknowles.com/stop-pissing-in … r-clooney/
    http://blog.luxuryproperty.com/caribbea … d-branson/
    
    And I am still waiting to hear what the puzzle is and how the yellowcake fits

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       SparklingJewelposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       actually Mark, I have a hell of time determining where you are, because of underlying energies that I perceive. And that is all the clearer I can get on that
       
       The puzzle is as I have stated, who runs the world...the yellowcake it just another piece of information. The video is posted but not as a link, in the "energy non- crisis" thread on politics.
       
       and I know there are less educated people out there than I am, so I have something to say. Why do you respond to my posts, if you already have the information you are satisfied with and I am just "uneducated?" your mean teases and taunts don't do anything to help me along.
       
       No, I haven't read much of your stuff, I am learning how to detach from the negative energy that comes through your words sometimes, and in the forums...  occasionally is enough   You are a "study in progress" for my spiritual path please don't ask me to explain that !

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          Mark Knowlesposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Well, if you have something to say - why don't you just come out and say it?
          
          The puzzle as to who runs the world is not at all complicated, but saying things like you said at the start of this thread are guaranteed to lead to confusion.
          
          God Bless our Troops! and God Bless America ! on other threads do not help either.
          
          And I am still confused as to what you are saying about this piece of news you discovered.
          
          What exactly are you trying to say?
          
          That hundred of thousands of Americans have been duped into joining the military and are killing people for "freedom," when in fact they are killing them for the oil companies?
          
          I agree.
          
          God Bless them all !
          
          I realize you can only see the negative aspects of interaction with me and it is obvious you have no idea what I do or where I am coming from. But rather than read anything I have written, you would prefer to do as you do.
          
          Underlying energies. Negative thoughts. Hmmm All there - no question. Not worth reading what I write then.
          
          Your loss. As requested I will not attempt to interact with you in future.
          
          ciao

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          TheCapnposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I don't think anyone really runs the world. It'd be nice to make a bogey man up and say that he's controlling the IMF and World Bank and is behind some plot that simultaneously creates large oil profits and undermines our freedom but I don't think it's realistic. International politics is a nasty game, read The Prince or The Art of War, I think our current world stage is what any world stage would look like if all the players in it were motivated by self interest.

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    knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

    J Edgar Hoover, the guy that was in every movie star's bedroom, and had every Democrat and union organizer in the country investigated, the guy who when in Texas ordered his shauffer never to make a left hand turn, testified to at least one maybe more committees of congress: there was no such thing as the Mafia.

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       TheCapnposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Reminds me of an old joke, "There's no such thing as the Mafia and we'll kill anyone who says there is."

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