The Left Is Beginning To Wake Up

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   Sooner28posted 11 years ago

   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/0 … 99310.html
   
   On the front page of the Huffington Post, the caption reads: George W. Obama. 
   
   I find this to be refreshing, and I am glad the left is beginning to see Obama is just as bad as Bush on civil liberties.  Now that the illusion based upon his cult of personality is gone, I expect his approval rating to drop, and rightfully so. 
   
   He has disillusioned me from the Democratic party.  Democrats, majority wise, are no better than Republicans when it comes to government overreach in privacy and foreign policy.  They are also increasingly controlled by the corporate elite the same way Republicans are.  Just remember Obama's response to the striking teachers in Chicago, and the Occupy protests.  Tepid at best!
   
   Liberals must understand: A Democratic president presided over a Justice Department that snooped on reporters, and has prosecuted more whistleblowers than all other U.S. president's combined.  He has also overseen the increase in drone use, which has knowingly killed countless civilians.
   
   "Obamacare" is a pure giveaway to the insurance industry.  There are a few good aspects to it, but the central idea is coercing me into buying a product from a private, amoral corporation, while not doing much to control costs.  If I am a medical insurance executive, I am overjoyed by this piece of "liberal" legislation.
   
   Obama also refused to prosecute Bush and Cheney, who violated international law by torturing, not to mention the Iraq war was a war of aggression, which is another war crime. 
   
   Conservatives should rejoice!  Obama in many ways is just like Bush.

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      gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Can YOU say Obamagate?

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         Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         He is currently defending the massive spying by the NSA.  And round and round it goes.

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      innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Oh my goodness, someone left of centre that understands what Obamacare is!
      
      I hope you guys understand that these problems are inherent in governments, and you would sure as heck get similar problems with whoever you vote in next.

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         Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I'm now of the opinion that many actions most governments take are blatant violations of human liberty. 
         
         I could not have honestly made such a statement even a year ago.

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            innersmiffposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Good to have you on board.
            
            It's becoming less and less viable to be a statist these days, as you have to get into the business of defending spying, lying and killing, which is quite difficult.

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      Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      "Conservatives should rejoice!  Obama in many ways is just like Bush."
      
      Obama is Bush on steroids.

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         Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         In some ways.  Obama didn't lie about a country having WMDs and wage an all out war against them, nor has he publicly endorsed torture (though I do believe we still do it). 
         
         Nor has he been explicitly anti-gay the way Bush was, when he called for a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
         
         But Obama has continued many of Bush's policies, and made some of them worse (such as the drones and spying).

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            Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Bush didn't lie, there were WMD's in Iraq and they were found.
            
            The lie is the continuous "Bush lied"!
            http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio … 7AZ3RO9qnM
            
            Obama is worse than Bush ever thought about being.

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               Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I was speaking imprecisely.  I meant nukes.  Remember Condoleezza Rice and Dick Cheney warning about a possible mushroom cloud?  Yeah.  Those nukes didn't exist, and Bush knew it.    It was already known Saddam had likely used chemical weapons on his own people.  That wasn't the justification given for the invasion.
               
               I didn't know people still openly defended the war criminal Bush.

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               Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Hi there, Lie Detector.
               
               This article in the NY Post is your proof President Bush did not lie to the American people? As you know, the "M" in WMD stands for "mass." How many stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction where found? Well, let us read the first two lines your "proof."
               
               The first, "There were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq after all." Okay, How many, I wonder?
               
               In the second sentence, "the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq."
               
               Now, convince us why you think "small amounts of chemical weapons" is exactly the same as "weapons of mass destruction." Exactly where were all the "weapons of mass destruction? Show us why President Bush was justified in invading Iraq to eliminate "small amounts of chemical weapons."
               
               Better yet, tell the families of the 4,500 U.S. warriors who were killed in Iraq. Comfort the more than 32,000 Americans wounded, including thousands with critical brain and spinal injuries or the 100,000 to 600,000 Iraqi civilians by telling them that the WMDs were so scarce only small quantities of chemicals were ever found even years after the initial invasion. {1}
               
               I recommend that you cancel your subscription to the NY Post if you have one. It would be a great lesson in fact finding research to read this article and follow the links to the underlying support documents: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/11/ … -wmds.html
               
               Thank you for your post, buddy. While you may never become a Democrat, I think there is a strong posibility that you can become a much more informed Republican.
               
               Enjoy your night.
               
               {1} http://www.nypost.com/p/news/internatio … 7AZ3RO9qnM

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      PhoenixVposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If you are paying attention, you could possibly see people like Republican Sen Graham and Senator John McCain come out of the woodwork, to get to the bottom of,  or investigate actions by,  the administration. But they just are going through the motions.
      
      obama is a glorified teleprompter/ quasi-politician / actor that represents a unified-  military, intelligence, corporate, banking and media propaganda entity;  formerly known as The United States of America.

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         Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The fact that you would cite those two as examples of reasonable folk makes me question your credibility.  Lindsay Graham wants a telescreen in every house, and McCain wants to wage war against every country he believes isn't subservient to us.

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   Sooner28posted 11 years ago

   http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc … ma/276635/

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   JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago

   Quill, a crock-pot full of gunpowder is a WMD.

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      PrettyPantherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Did we invade Iraq over a crockpot full of gunpowder?
      
      

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         Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         We invaded because we want to control middle east oil .

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      Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Quilligrapher wrote:
      “In the second sentence, "the WikiLeaks Web site revealed that small amounts of chemical weapons were found in Iraq."Hi there Jaxson. How have you been?
      
      You wrote:
      “Quill, a crock-pot full of gunpowder is a WMD.”
      
      This discussion is not about the definitions of WMD but about how many stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction where actually found in Iraq after the invasion. The public angst over the four unfortunate deaths in Benghazi pales in comparison to the 4,500 dead and 32,000 wounded because of the following lies:
      
      09/18/2002, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense in a presentation before Congress-
      "We do know that the Iraqi regime has chemical and biological weapons. His regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons -- including VX, sarin, cyclosarin and mustard gas. ... His regime has amassed large, clandestine stockpiles of biological weapons—including anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly smallpox."  (Bold emphasis added to all quotes)
      
      10/7/2002, George W. Bush, President –
      "The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
      
      03/22/2003, General Tommy Franks-
      "There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."
      
      03/30/2003, Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense -
      "We know where they are [Iraq's weapons of mass destruction]. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."
      
      1/28/2003, George W. Bush-
      “Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
      
      3/16/2003, Vice President Dick Chaney –
      “We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.”
      
      3/21/2003 Ari Fleisher –
      “Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.”
      
      3/23/2003, Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman –
      “I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
      
      3/22/2003, Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark -
      “One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.
      
      Then, Jason, there was this lie:
      
      05/01/2003, George W. Bush, President, while standing under the banner “Mission Accomplished” -
      "My fellow Americans: Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."
      Followed more than three years later by the truth:
      09/11/2006, US Government Accounting Office, -
      "Attacks against the coalition and its Iraqi partners reached an all time high during July 2006." (gao.gov/new.items/d061094t.pdf)
      
      Finally, Americans learn the truth, not from the perpetrators, but from others:
      
      03/31/2005, President's Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction -
      “We conclude that the Intelligence Community was dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. —  (http://zfacts.com/sites/all/files/doc/w … letter.pdf)
      9/9/2008, Alan Greenspan, Chairman of the Federal Reserve through 2005 -
      "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." (from The Age of Turbulence, p.463)
      
      I know that I have not included all of the lies fed to us during those years, Jaxson, but I am pretty sure that I did not over look any discoveries of stockpiled WMDs in Iraq either. Feel free to correct me if I have.
      
      Take care, buddy. I enjoy reading your viewpoints. Do not let harassment win over what you think is right.
      
      {1} http://zfacts.com/iraq-war-quotes

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   He did not fool me.  In his first two years of his investiture he showed his true colors.

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