Liberals Preparing to Take to the Woods with Shotguns

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   AnnCeeposted 12 years ago

   They have wrestled hard with their souls but come to the conclusion they must execute the barred owls who are killing off the spotted owls whose demise was once blamed on the logging industry resulting in its near death.   SO much death. . .
   
   The evil barred owl:
   
   
   The good spotted owl:
   
   http://www.oregonlive.com/environment/i … d_sho.html
   
   

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   pylos26posted 12 years ago

   I know of no one that would shoot an owl intenionally, barred or spotted. Sounds like survival of the fittest in motion.

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      AnnCeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Well, read it and weep, the envirowhacks at Fish and Feathers (after much soul searching) are getting ready to do just that.

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   pylos26posted 12 years ago

   I don't see politics mentioned in the piece...perhaps i missed it.

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   AnnCeeposted 12 years ago

   Oh okay.  Politics.
   
   
   
   http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in … d-owl-hoax

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   PrettyPantherposted 12 years ago

   I did not see the term "liberal" used anywhere in the article.  Are you an omniscient being, able to discern the political bent of federal wildlife officials merely by reading about the difficult decisions they must make in the course of their work?

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      AnnCeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Leaping lizards!   Environmentalists are hardly conservative are they?
      
      
      Play the "literal" ploy all you want.   The story is liberals blew it and killed the lumber industry in the northwest by shutting it down to "protect" the spotted owl (which could be found roosting in Walmart signs) and now they are getting ready to kill barred owls to keep them from killing spotted owls which it turns out weren't killed by the logging industry.
      
      Do you not recognize insanity when you see it?
      
      Oh wait, of course you do.   Tick tock.   How long will it take. . .

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         PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Actually, Oregon has a proud tradition of Republicans and Democrats working together to protect the environment.  Longtime Senator Bob Packwood, a Republican, was an advocate for solar energy and other environmental causes and was instrumental in the preservation of Hells Canyon.
         
         Many conservatives recognize the importance of taking care of the planet.  Mind you, I'm referring to conservatives, not the current Republican party.

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         PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You really didn't read the article very well, did you?  You saw what you wanted to see.
         
         Again, it is not a liberal vs. conservative issue.  It is much more complex than that.

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   Flightkeeperposted 12 years ago

   
   
   Holy cow, so it wasn't the loggers and logging industry that was killing off the spotted owl but the more aggressive barred owl.  So I guess the envirowhacks aren't going to let nature take its course but will interfere with nature instead.
   
   
   
   Thanks for the irony, Ann.

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      PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If nature had taken its course, then old growth forests would still be around and the spotted owl would not be endangered.  Like Ann, you really didn't comprehend the article.
      
      Apparently, you advocate interference with nature when it benefits business.

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         Flightkeeperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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            PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Leaping Lizards and Holy Cow!  I don't know how I can possibly respond to such an intelligent and thorough argument.

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   Why does one owl species have more right to live than another?

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   The Bush Administration came up with a plan to kill the barred owls, but a Federal Court stopped it. I hope Obama doesn't try to use the same plan. Why can't large numbers of barred owls be captured and relocated?

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   The barred owls should be much farther east. Biologists aren't sure why they ended up on the West Coast. They don't know if it was natural migration or somehow caused by man.

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      PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I hate the idea of killing some of one species to ensure the survival of another, but it isn't a new idea, and it isn't a "liberal" idea. 
      
      And for so-called conservatives to feign concern about man interfering with nature is just laughable.

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         habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I believe it was first Bush's idea. I don't like the idea of killing the barred owls, either. I'm in favor of relocating some of them, though.
         
         Not ALL conservatives and moderates are anti-nature. I, for one, think we should take much better care of our planet. Sometimes, however, the right answer is difficult to discern. For example, when it comes to the California minnow and farmers not being able to grow crops, I have to side with the farmers.

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            PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I know many conservatives who are also environmentalists.  I lived in Oregon for over 40 years, a state that has traditionally been a leader in preservation of the environment.  That could not have been the case if only liberals in Oregon cared about the issue.
            
            Edited to add:  You are right that it is not always easy to discern the right path.  The spotted owl issue was bitterly divisive in Oregon and hard feelings remain to this day.

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            PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Just so you know, my reference to "so-called conservatives" was specifically referring to Ann and FK in this thread, not conservatives in general.

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               JSAlisonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I'm not sure such careful work will really be appreciated in these forums, PrettyPanther but it is good to see someone try.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thank you for the comment, JS.  It is nice to have someone notice. 

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               habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Thanks, PP. I wasn't exactly sure. lol

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    Shadesbreathposted 12 years ago

    Yet another example of human arrogance. While I detest the greed of the far right, I have to say, it's less annoying than the arrogance of the far left who continue to think they have "it all figured out" despite proving over and over and over and over and over again that they never, ever, ever do.
    
    Between the moronically indignant tree huggers, the avaricious corporate princes and the funtamental magic-worshiping religions, America is in such deep, deep doo-doo.

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    Doug Hughesposted 12 years ago

    I see this as a microcosm of the larger debate.  Shouldn't the strong obliterate the weak? Isn't it 'natural' that aggressive creatures exterminate less worthy ones?
    
    In the economics of man, shouldn't big oil companies, big insurance giants, the financial monsters dominate humanity? Isn't it 'wrong' to empower forces (government)to stand between the predator and prey?

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       habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Howdy, Doug. I realize you're being ironic, but some will think that man shouldn't intervene. The problem with that is that it might very well be man's fault that the barred owls are there in the first place. It's not part of their natural range.
       
       Your pal,
       
       Rose

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