Barry said the war in Iraq is over.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id … _article=1
Barry said NATO can handle Libya.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/libya-disabled … 36691.html
Barry said Afghanistan was the right war.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/afg … d=13468438
Thank you Barry, your foreign policy successes just keep piling up. Four More Years! Four More Years! Four More Years!
Ah, how refreshing. Another anti-Obama thread.
You expected anything else from me. Come on, John, honestly. Just for you I will come up with something other than an anti-Obama thread. Maybe an anti-Marx - Karl that is, not Groucho.
Why not a pro-Groucho thread?
I will see what I can cobble together. May take a couple of days ignoring the news and clearing my head.
Ever try to kill dandelions?
Deep roots, robust plant, prodigious breeders - sounds right.
And almost universally desired to be eliminated.
What is the difference between a flower and a weed? Perception or maybe public relations. The insidious and insipid nature of liberalism is more accurately analogous to the weed than the flower.
you're claiming the dandelion as your metaphor. I simply completed it.
I have never understood the desire to kill all dandelions.
I have never understood why conservatives have no compassion.
I have never understood how liberals believe that they can measure the contents of every man's heart. I have never understood how liberals can confuse compassion with compelling everyone to live in a utopia fantasy regardless of how much force is required. I have never understood how liberals can believe that turning people from brilliant and beautiful and capable beings into zoo exhibits, housed, fed and trained to the liberals personal standards is compassion and freedom.
I'm guessing the reason you are so completely wrong about what liberals believe (as if they all believe the same things) is that you haven't actually listened to one in years.
Oh, that's right, you're a birther; it's in your DNA to ignore truth.
Really, a birther - wow, I cannot stop laughing. A couple of months ago the bad thing to be was a tea partier, now it is a birther. Wow, talk about not listening.
As for what liberals believe - some self reflection should help. Liberalism is the desire for everyone else to live in the cage one compels them into for their own good - after all it is paradise. The childish desire to create one's own personal perfect world and for everyone to live in it is the hall mark of liberalism. "Everybody deserves a pony, rainbows and ice cream and if you say 'no' you are just mean."
Well yeah, like that fantasy that you give a business owner or corporation all the incentives and financial breaks (lower taxes on the wealthy) and the "love will gush forth" - jobs sping-up over night, wages go up, men start to smile on their way to work, birds begin chirping, etc. See "Supply Side Economics" See "Failed Economic Theories" and "Reagan Revolution."
It is okay. That feeling that you know everything about economics passes while you are waiting for your government check. You do understand businesses don't pay taxes. Oh, never mind. As for grand economic fails perhaps you should take a look at Jimmy and Barry two sides of the same Weimar Mark. The price regulated free market is always preferable to a centrally regulated or directed one - but that assertion goes well beyond the liberal's ability to see past the "ponies, rainbows and ice cream."
Thanks for playing sweet heart, here is your snow cone just don't let it drip on your pretty dress or your mommy, Barry, might get upset.
Your condescension is being laughed at by my conservative husband as I type this. Your concept of liberalism is a fantasy that helps you justify your disdain for those who disagree with you. The reality is that you are not able to have a productive discussion with a liberal because that would require you to acknowledge that good ideas come from those you consider "the enemy." That, unfortunately, is not allowed in the current conservative playbook and is why the Republican party is having such a difficult time finding an intelligent, rational conservative to represent their party as a presidential candidate. Consorting with the enemy, otherwise known as "getting things done," is considered a bad thing. Independents as well as sane Republicans are fed up with it. You, however, seem to be happy to be a tool for those who would keep us from coming together to solve problems.
Self-reflection: try it sometime.
What good idea comes from liberalism? Self reflection is how I left liberal foolishness behind. And as for your husband you can call him conservative, he can even call himself conservative. I don't care - Trump has been calling himself a conservative. Apparently it is a word without meaning. I cannot imagine being married to a liberal.
I have removed liberals from my friendship after this last election as I would have removed slavery supporters and for the same reason. Who owns a man? For the liberal it is the majority and the state, for the slave holder it is he.
The current misconception of our nature is far more insidious. Liberalism has been practiced most thoroughly by the communists,socialists and fascists - that worked out well. It is oppression of the individual that is the history of the world.
Where is the coming together in the plunder founded state? It is okay, in your little utopia there is someone to hold your hand, ride the ponies and share ice cream with you. You just stay out of the mean old world.
Again, your fantasy allows you to feel superior in your disdain for conservatives who disagree with you as well as liberals. My husband is, indeed, a conservative. I have many friends who are conservative and are appalled at the antics of their party. You can pretend that conservatives who disagree with you are not "real" conservatives if that makes you feel better. They are waiting for a leader who will stand up to the likes of those who hate their fellow Americans just because they have a different ideology.
Have a nice day, ucd.
"their party?" I was unaware of a "Conservative Part" outside of a couple of state parties. I am tired of Republicans not acknowledging that liberal ideology is destructive to civilization and the slow advance of individual liberty. What middle ground was there available in 1860?
The conflict between conservatism and liberalism is the conflict between tyranny and liberty. In 1860 it was over "who owns a man?" Today that question persists. Liberals choose government rather than slave holders as "a mans" owner but the answer never comes back from liberals that "a man owns himself."
What compromise is possible? What admirable idea begins with that idea? What have liberals ever done that has advanced the cause of liberty and the advancement of civilization. As for those who call themselves conservative most stop at the application of government power. That makes them Republicans not conservatives.
you pretty much shot your credibility man.. been running a business for about 8 years no, and you tell me that businesses don't pay taxes and then you attempt to insult me with condescending remarks. Go home brother or limit your scope of conversation to things you truly know about.
Wow, you think your business pays taxes - that shows how deeply into the delusion you have plunged. Officers, employees, stock holders, customers all pay those taxes. If they weren't collected and transferred to the government by your business what would happen to those dollars?
Would they be paid out in wages, bonuses and dividends? Would they be used to update equipment? Would they be used to reduce employees insurance contributions or increase 401k matching? Individuals pay all taxes. Sales don't pay taxes, property doesn't pay taxes and businesses don't pay taxes.
No shared universe of discourse. Here is your cone.
simply put..... GREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best to keep it simple and therefore incorrect and meaningless - because anything other than simple would just get too confusing for you. I wonder why greed is always used to describe people who wish to keep more of their own property and not those who would use the police power of the government to plunder that property and gift it to them.
but the vast majority of the public does.
I didn't know right comes from majority opinion - bet the German Jews were surprised to hear that, too.
So don't complain when Prop 8 is overturned. LOL!
It is quite unlikely to be over turned once it has moved away from the 9th circuit court because it is indeed correct. Language, culture, society, institutions and civilization must remain out of the grasp of courts and majorities or humanity will drift even more rapidly to self immolation.
Compared to who? Compared to what alternate foreign policy?
President Obama is not running against himself. If/when a candidate shows up with better ideas, I will vote for him (or her). But when I compare what Obama has done, mistakes and all, with any GOP potential presidential candidate, I am grateful for who we have in the oval office.
You mean repeating "W"s foreign policy and ladling a heavy syrup of Libyan killing on top is your kind of foreign policy. That is good to know. Maybe the next Democrat war monger will get us back into Vietnam. Four More Years!
As for the "her" candidate - Hillary has said Bashar al-Assad is her man - yet another foreign policy genius waiting in the wings. She also thinks no Uncle Hosni in Egypt is better when the Muslim Brotherhood is poised to take over. Awesome. Barry and Hilly what an unbeatable team!
Lets look at Newt's policy on Libya. He was in favor of a no-fly zone, until Obama endorsed a NATO no-fly zone.
The other front-running GOP candidates (Palin & Trump) couldn't find Libya on a map.
Who cares what that media whore and friend of Pelosi has to say. He is as wrong as Barry. An act of war is an act of war - we are now at war with Libya. Way to go Peace Prize man!!
As for the Palin/Trump crack - that is just the typical arrogance. Oh Republicans are dumb because they just are..blah, blah, blah...worthless twaddle.
By the way - WE ARE NATO. NATO has no meaningful military capacity without the United States.
There's 28 countries in NATO including Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Greece.... All of them closer than the US to Libya. In many ways all of them stand to be impacted more than the US by unrest in the region. We are not going to put boots on the ground. Supporting NATO is the lesser of two evils.
Agreed, but the US has most of the muscle. I am not anti-Nato.
Not one of them has a tenth the American EUROPEAN inventory of assets. The Brits fired ALL of their cruise missiles the very first day. None of those countries is capable of extended air action because not one has an aircraft carrier. American defense forces make up the most substantial portion NATO's military capability.
In some cases equaling or surpassing the military capacity of countries containing American bases.
Do a little search on line the vast right wing military empire of the United States spans Europe.
So it is a good thing for Americans to slaughter Libyans for Europe's irrational addiction to Libyan oil? I guess we owe them a favor(except France) for their support during our "unilateral" war in Iraq.
If Iraq was a "unilateral" war and over 20 countries were involved isn't Libya a "unilateral" war - our president is still killing brown people for their oil.
we have boots on the ground. CIA Trainers .At least i read that.
CIA, yes. Not trainers. We know who Ghadafi is. He murdered hundreds of American civilians bombing a plane over Scotland. Three years ago, using influence with BP, Ghadafi got the bomber (serving a life sentence) released. We know Ghadafi now. No doubt.
We don't know much about the opposition and we need to know. This is info you can't get from satellites or drones. My hat's off to the CIA operatives on the ground.
He is also responsible for the bombing at a German Disco that killed American soldiers - wait they shouldn't be their that is just too darn close to Libya. The fact is that the American soldiers, sailors and airmen are in harms way as much as any of their European counterparts and at least as well if not better capable.
Not three years ago but in 2009(under Barry and Hilly's watch.)
I guess Barry was just looking out for his coreligionist.
A birther who thinks President Obama is a Muslim.
Tinfoil hat time?
WOW, you just don't do sarcasm very well. But that just makes me love pushing those buttons even more. You liberals are a never ending source of fun, sometimes I feel guilty at how you jump when you get poked. It really isn't fair. The cat has much more fun than the cat nip filled ball.
Cat? More like weasel.
Ever own a ferret - they are brilliant and playful. Being a ferret doesn't make liberals squirm and flail about any less fun.
My favorite is an Otter.
Joyful, fun, shares with the rest....
And the only ones squirming are the Weasels who are now having to face the wrath of the people they "weaseled".
have fun with that....
Can weasels run fast? "Luvvie--get me that ticket to Dubai, pronto."
Yeah otter especially like to share the fish they smash on the rocks.
I see you know as much about Otters as you know about Liberals. ....Not much.
but that thing about smashing things on rocks is familiar. Dang! my mind just doesn't work like it used to...
Shake your head. maybe the sound of smashing rocks would help. As for liberals, I know them well.
I have far more use for otters than liberals. I would like it very much if someday otters were common and liberals scarce.
Then you will be disappointed.
The history of the U.S. has been inexorably toward a more liberal stance. The repeal of slavery, repeal of the 18th Amendment, women's suffrage, workers rights, civil rights legislation and the current clash over gay rights which will ultimately be won all are movements that are spurred by the liberal agenda.
These are the things that make me proud to be American. Not where we came from, but how we have evolved.
A country that has a government by the people, of the people and for the people has been transforming to include more and more of its people under its protections, and these are liberal adjustments to the status quo.
I find your assertion that these are all liberal notions entertaining. Unless what you mean by liberal is the 18th and 19th century notion of liberalism espoused by Edmund Burke. Who claims Burke now? It certainly isn't those comfortable with centralized economic and political power in the state.
Do the CIA ware boots? And i read that they are advising the rebels . We just had 9 guys killed in Afghanistan by a guy we were training. I think its imperative that we stop the practice of teaching and arming other army's.
Also Qaddafi isn't a target. The one guy that we know needs killing isn't in our sights . Our policy is flawed
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