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Time to bring our troops home and leave these people to themselves.

  1. TMMason profile image68
    TMMasonposted 6 years ago

    It is time to leave Afganistan and Pakistan, and come home, stop all nation building and let them build their own countries. We got Osama, and there is no need to comtinue to deal with these people... and we can sieze there nukes on the way out, or not. It is your choice.


    Pakistan: Madrassa students try to force 8-year-old Christian boy to convert to Islam; uncle who intervened to defend him is attacked for "blasphemy"



    Pakistan's blasphemy laws and the social conditions that they reflect and encourage are a ticking time bomb in the lives of non-Muslims, intended to keep them silent and living in fear. Ultimately, any expression of non-Islamic belief, and any disagreement expressed about what Islam teaches can be taken in the eye of the beholder as insulting to Islam, Allah, or Muhammad. Inside or outside of a Pakistani court, that is all it takes to ruin (or end) someone's life on a whim.

    And here, we also have another madrassa curiously teaching a "misunderstanding" of Islam. Funny how that keeps happening. "Punjab: Christian families flee false accusation of blasphemy," by Jibran Khan for Asia News, June 17:

    Lahore (AsiaNews) - Ten Christian families were forced to flee from Chak 68, Arifwala, in Khanewal district, for fear of the consequences of an accusation of blasphemy. A Christian boy of eight years, Ihtesham, nicknamed "Sunny" went to buy ice in a market, and was surrounded and harassed by students of a madrassa, an Islamic religious school. They asked him to recite verses from the Koran, those every Muslim reads the so-called "Kalma", in short the statement that "there is no God but Allah ...." They asked him to renounce his religion and convert to Islam.

    More on the slippery shell game of "no compulsion in religion" (Qur'an 2:256) can be found here.

    An uncle of Sunny, Dildar Masih, seeing that his nephew was in trouble, because of the students, intervened. Sunny explained to him that they were bullying him to renounce his religion. Dildar addressed the boys, he rebuked them and told Sunny to go home. The boys told of the incident to the religious leaders at the madrasas. The latter announced that Dildar Masih had committed blasphemy, making fun of Koranic verses, and the loudspeaker of the madrasa urged all to punish the blasphemer, to set an example. A crowd gathered around Dildar where he was working and attacked him. After the incident, ten families fled from the village.

    Father Rufin John, from Khanewal, told AsiaNews: "This is a common practice in the region. Many cases of forced conversions are not disclosed. In many schools it is mandatory for all to read verses from the Koran, it is in the program, and is compulsory for students of all faiths to read them. If students of faiths other than Islam do not read them, they are subject to abuse, or are thrown out of schools. "

    Father Afzal Masih of Rahim Yar Khan told AsiaNews: "In Rahim Khan, the madrasa students annoy teenagers of different faiths every day. They do not allow them to play in their playgrounds, they do not want them to pass close to the madrasas, the radical school of thought is at its maximum in this region. They are taught that Christians and people of other religions may be killed if they do not accept Islam. And the authorities turn a blind eye to this problem....

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/

    1. dutchman1951 profile image61
      dutchman1951posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      isolationism leads to real problems TM, I have seen that with the Job I had overseas with the World Bank.  No, now it is time to stop the war.  Pakastan is not all like you describe here. Very Complex mix.

      Isolation in the way you describe, would drive them into agreements with other like minded rogue nations in the region.

      What you would end up with was a Block of nations, stricter in belief than Iran, much more radical than you realise, and much more dangerous by the aliances and ability to use necular power.

      this is not not the time to isolate ourselves. But stop the war, yes.
      .

    2. Evan G Rogers profile image75
      Evan G Rogersposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The reason the middle eastern "terrorists" come here to kill us is that we've been over there bombing them for decades.

      Ron Paul wants to bring the troops home IMMEDIATELY.

      "We just marched in, we can just march out"

      "I'm the commander in Chief! I make the decisions, and I tell the generals what to do!!"

  2. recommend1 profile image70
    recommend1posted 6 years ago

    It all sounds just like christianity in its own heyday.

    But you are right about withdrawing and leaving them alone, it is the intolerable aggressive pressure from outside that keeps these nations backward, along with random and peculiar trade sanctions.

    The cure for all religious extremism is progress, better living conditions and basic education, not bombs.

    1. platinumOwl4 profile image74
      platinumOwl4posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "We" should never have been there in the first place. "We" are there because of a lie. How many have died based on that lie? Yet the real criminal is not in jail.

      1. recommend1 profile image70
        recommend1posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Absolutely right.

        1. dutchman1951 profile image61
          dutchman1951posted 6 years agoin reply to this

          what recomend said!

 
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