as a woman in pakistan was sentenced to death under blasphemy laws , the debate about the law has heated up...what are your views on such laws?...
God gave man a free will. What right does man have to take anothers free will away from them? None. I think it is up to God to decide if some one committed blasphemy or not. Who are we to judge another?
So what is God's punishment for blasphemy? Is it not death as well? So these nutjobs are just carrying out God's directive, since God seems to always send proxies to represent him.
That is up to God to decide. We are not God. It isn't up to us.
He doesn't seem to be able to make any decisions, and He never even shows up.
Never say never. AND You just don't know what YA don't know, Ya know? No, I guess Ya don't.
Do you? Or, do you just think you do? Isn't it just your opinion?
Of course not. I know almost nothing. But - I am certain you do not have an answer for me. You just want to fight for Jesus.
Mark you are correct I do know that I don't know. Ya know?
Quran does not mention to enact any such laws in this world; Quran leaves it for the hereafter.
There is only one Blasphemy God will never forgive and that is to Blaspheme by denying God Himself. any other form considered to be blaspheming is wrong and false docterine.
Yet, you most likely deny a plethora of gods, all but one. Is that not blasphemy?
There is no God. Blasphemy is a term created by psychotics to further inforce their psychotic delusional absurd dogma.
Why would God need to threaten people with punishment, for just NOT believing in Him?
What a weak and petty God these psychotics have created for you.
Governments who make such laws, need to grow the f*&^k up!
It's all bulls**t. It's no different than saying you have to agree with what I believe in or we will kill you.
What if I passed a law saying you all have to respect non-believe of any god? That if you spoke out on it you'll be killed for it.
What does a law like that really mean? It means "shut up and believe what I do and if you don't you deserve to die".
Blasphemy laws, of any kind should NOT be included in government legislated law of any country.
Of course, these laws DO make it into government in NON-secular countries. Islam being one that stands out.
I note there are no such laws (enforced) in western societies.
dj - you astound me. The blashemy law was not abolished until 2008 in the UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemy_ … ed_Kingdom
Australia beat us to it by doing away with it in 1913. Plenty of peopel were prosecuted under these laws in the past.
Do you get all your "facts" out of thin air?
Didn't you read the (enforced) bit Mark. Blasphemy may have still been technically illegal in the UK in 2007, but noone was being prosecuted for it.
A lot of things happened in the past. But it was a long time ago.
There are loads of legal quirks like this. Slavery was only made illegal in Britain a few years ago - because it was never officially recognised as legal in the first place - but you can't judge Britain today on the basis of these things.
So what? The fact is - not so long ago - and still in some cases today - the "western world" had/has secular laws against blasphemy. So - we are a couple of hundred years ahead of Islam.
I agree, it was just that you seemed to be using this to suggest that it was wrong to point out the difference between the Islamic and the Western world on this, but just because similar things happened here hundreds of years ago, doesn't mean there is no difference worth highlighting today.
The real point is - we have forced religion out of our secular affairs, and eventually Islam will also. They just have not done so yet. We made the same mistake that they are making now.
Absolutely, but the fact that we made the mistake in the past does not preclude us from pointing it out when other make the same mistakes today.
And there is no innevitability that the Islamic world will evolve in this way.
Well, we can but hope. They are certainly going through all the same phases as Christianity did. You think it will make a difference pointing out how wrong blasphemy laws are in Islam? We all know irrational belief systems are a disaster in progress.
They are going through the same phases as Christianity did, but the problem is that part of the reason the Christian world came out of that was the relaxed attitude that comes from being the dominant culture across the world.
One of the main reasons that the Christian world went through these phases was the threat that came from thre rise of Islam - beginning with the crusades and then the inquisition and so on that grew out of these attempts to attain dominance for 'Christendom'.
In the same way, the rise of fundamentalist Islam is at least in part linked to nationalism in the Arab and Perisan world, where many people look back on the great history of their nations, see how far they have fallen, and grasp Islam as a way to rectify that. Being very Islamic is a way to define yourself in oppostiion to the western world that has become so much more powerful than the Muslim countries. Unless the west falls and Islamic countries become the new world powers, the same path of social development will not be followed. Perhaps they will come to a similar place through a different path. But perhaps they won't.
And I think there is a moral duty to point out these bad things and apply whatever pressure you can to change them, even if your attempts are ultimately futile.
Pity you didn't feel that moral duty to prevent your country from invading Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. I see the coming conflict that comes from your "moral superiority," and Islam's need to crusade and expand their influence. I am not blind.
I just hope I don't get caught in the middle.
You're conflating two separate things. How do you know what my opinion of the Iraq war was?
And I don't know why you put moral superiority in between "" - as an atheist you must agree that murdering people for blasphemy is wrong. You just don't have the courage of your own convictions.
Of course I think murdering people for blasphemy is wrong. I think it is as close to insanity as I can think of. So is murdering people for oil. I actually have no idea what your opinion on the war is. What is it?
I put "moral superiority." because that is what you are displaying. I am not sure I can claim any such superiority myself. My country murders people for control of oil to this day, and I feel powerless to prevent it. My country happily allowed one of their major corporations to wipe out a large part of the Gulf of Mexico recently and did absolutely nothing about it. I still buy fuel. How moral is that?
Now - if you mean by "lacking the courage of my convictions" - offering an opinion from behind a meaningless user name on a web forum - yeah - you got me. How very brave you are.
I was just pointing out that not so long ago we were doing the same thing, and today do much, much worse.
Yes, it's easy to see how the "threat" of other religions has caused to much conflict and wars over the past many centuries. But, to clarify further, it is the threat of religions in general that will be the end of us all.
Can you show me the country of Islam on a map?
(It's OK, I know you didn't mean it that way
Greece still has blasphemy laws, unfortunately.
Here in Canada where hockey is a religion, I have lobbied Parliament to pass a blasphemy law targeting those who speak ill of God's team, the Toronto Maple Leafs (peace be upon them)
Makes about as much sense as anything else I have heard lately. I am torn between the "believing in magic," and "Jesus vs Mohammad Final Smackdown" threads as the funniest right now.
We Leaf fans have been waiting for the time we will inherit the earth (or at least the League championship) for over 40 years.
If I can't convert you to Christianity, Mark, perhaps you will at least be a disciple of God's team?
this made me LOL
Respect each other is all -- applies to all, belief, sports team.
Thous shall not criticize my fav team....If you criticize my team, then the only law I know is to criticize yours too.. that is why there is a Smackdown versus RAW Mohammed and J Christ
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