It seems that people are distracted nowadays by whatever current story is on every news station, what new movie's coming out, or whatever.
With everything being done to seemingly make us safer, it seems that nobody cares about the freedoms that we once had.
they claim they disagree, but then they'll say that "government needs to regulate the market", or some anti-freedom thing.
Our freedom as you suggest is gradually disappearing. The sad thing is people don't in many cases realize its gone. Their concern is sexually exploits. Look at the news worldwide top officials toppled for some type of sex involved misconduct. What does it say for the people who elected them?
I agree with you, fit2day. For a society to truly be free it requires people who take responsibility for themselves.
I agree this is the issue. Government is unavoidable and is a necessary part of society, BUT by making trivial laws about everything people have come to rely on the state for many things that are best left as personal responsibility.
This is then compounded by the OP's suggestion that people are conditioned by tv radio and news, by being fed your news you are led along paths quite unaware that there are other ways of going, other ways of doing things. This is the real loss of freedom.
I agree also.. Because of the too much freedom we are experiencing nowadays we forget the true essence of having that freedom.
The sad thing about today, is that a lot of people don't feel the equality in freedom. It seems that more and more people involved in politics want to push our freedom back 50 years, so that they can obtain their own goals, without care of who's freedoms they are crushing. And, not only is the political establishment telling us what our freedoms are here, they are also pushing the freedom message to all corners of the globe, as our society seems to be right, and every other society is wrong.
It seems that if you are not a rich, white, straight, god loving person, the people who are in charge of freedom see you as a second class citizen and not worthy of having the so-called freedoms they offer. I have never felt any freedom in this country. The only one that even comes close is the freedom of speech, everything else seems to have to be determined by a court. Where is the freedom in that?
Now this I do agree with. Look at the many self-imposing, self-righteous goals of the Tea Party and the Republicans. I am really a Republican at heart. Less government, fewer taxes, localized control. But they have swung so far right in their positioning, it actually scares me. The party has gone from being Lincoln's party, to a band of hypocrites in their Salem witch hunt tactics against immigrants and Mexicans, & any person or group that isn't an evangelical Christian.
Where's the freedom in feeling sorry for your self? You can only control what you do, not what others do. Work from there.
But, there are people out there who do want to control what you do, and are constantly fighting in courts to keep their ideas forever marked on society, anything that moves in a different direction is pounced on, and hammered with insults, picketing, and lawsuits, in hopes that it will go away. As long as that exists, there is no true freedom for everyone.
I don't think there is a person on this planet who has not felt sorry for themselves at one time or another. There are also plenty of people to feel sorry for, and others you wan to poke with a stick. In my view freedom should be a happy place, and not one that is full of doubt and debate.
Freedom is ever vigilant.
People will always be free to try to control you
You will always be free to resist, but will you?
I think this sort of question is one we all need to ask ourselves constantly. Freedom is like a muscle, use it or loose it! (oh and don't then blame someone else for your shitty choices, suck it up and take responsibility for your own choices, if you don't want a nanny state, don't act like you need a nanny).
I never understood why people always mentions “the freedoms we once had” America has never been a country that offered complete freedom and equality to everyone. Quit glorifying the past and move the country forward.
We all have freedom. But we have to choose it for ourselves for it to ever mean anything. If you take any oppresive situation in human history, you will see a compliant populace among both the oppresors and the oppresed and you will also see a small bubble among the populace that expresses to atleast some degree a refusal of compliance among both the oppresors and oppresed. Those who have refused to comply have always been free, because they removed the part of themselves that allowed the oppresive situation to exist to begin with.
Honestly, OP would have to be a little more specific before I even knew which "freedoms" (to or from) are being referenced.
I am, for example, more interested in my right to be free from violence than someone else's right to be violent.
Absolute freedom is only good for those individuals with extreme wealth and power. For the rest it just turns into not having the right to resist abuse.
There is no such thing as absolute freedom and cannot be. We live in a society and have to follow the rules, what we can and cannot do. We cannot destroy it, we cannot harm other people even if we want to. In theory we can leave the society we do not like and go somewhere else, but can we leave the Earth? Our freedom is very relative and dependent, and our life is very fragile. One small virus and... oops, no more people, sorry.
Very good discussion everyone. Freedom is something you either maintain by standing up to injustice or we lose because we sat back and did nothing about
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