American Communist claim 4th of July was stolen from them by the Right

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  1. TMMason profile image59
    TMMasonposted 12 years ago

    Commies claim Right-wing stole the 4th of July from them... and they must now reclaim it from us.

    ---"According to an article in the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) News, People's World, CPUSA Organizer and People's World reporter, Tony Peckinovsky, gave a speech at the 2011 CPUSA Hershel Walker Peace and Justice Awards where he said:

    "The right wing over a number of years have hijacked some of our holidays and July 4th is one of those holidays they have hijacked. And they have taken that from us and made it sound like we are un-patriotic....We need to reclaim July 4th...

    We on the left, we of the labor movement, community activists, labor activists, we need to do what we can to reclaim not only July 4th but other holidays that the right-wing have hijacked."

    Tony Peckinovsky is the same CPUSA member that was allowed to recruit in a University of Missouri Labor Studies class where he "Patriotically" explained how to defeat U.S. forces in Iraq and how the American flag is racist.

    Disturbingly at the beginning of the 2011 Hershel Walker Awards ceremony, Missouri Democrat Representative of the 59th District, Jeanette Mott Oxford, gave the invocation where she prayed to the Almighty for "Social Justice".

    Ironically, as you can see in the video, the Communist Award ceremony was held at the Communication Workers of America (CWA) Local 6300 Union Hall where awards were given to a member of the St. Louis Newspaper Guild and the Vice President of the St. Louis Labor Council.

    Coincidentally CWA Local 6300, the St. Louis Newspaper Guild and the St. Louis labor Council are all affiliates of the AFL-CIO who seem to have a recurring trend of working with the CPUSA.

    So I guess once Tony Peckinovsky, the Communist Party and the "Left" finish "Taking Back" American Holidays from the "Right Wing"..."--- … _Wing.html

    What a joke the Left is...

    1. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      this is absurd, rediculous and false. Sense when was the Communist party involved in the American Revolution?  Makes about as much since as a screen door on a submarine!

  2. TMMason profile image59
    TMMasonposted 12 years ago

    And then there is this...

    SEIU Intimidation Tactics Manual;

    ---“It” is a new intimidation manual uncovered during a lawsuit against the SEIU*, one of the nation’s largest unions. In it, Vernuccio says, the SEIU’s dirty tactics are explained, including bullying employers by targeting them economically and advocating for breaking the law.

    For example, Vernuccio explains the manual openly calls for disregarding the law, using Martin Luther King, Jr. and Ghandi as justification: “Union members sometimes must act in the tradition of Dr. Martin Luther King and Mohatma [sic] Gandhi and disobey laws which are used to enforce injustice against working people.”

    But that’s just the beginning. In addition, Vernuccio points out, it also advocates economic hit jobs.

    “It may be a violation of blackmail and extortion laws to threaten management officials with release of ‘dirt’ about them if they don’t settle a contract,” the manual allegedly says. “But there is no law against union members who are angry at their employer deciding to uncover and publicize factual information about individual managers.”--- … y-tactics/

    True colors of the American Leftists.

    1. dutchman1951 profile image60
      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I am no proponent of this TM, what so ever, but having delt in Business tacticts I can say sometimes, you fight dirt with dirt!

      either way not good for America, but it happens Bro.

  3. Jonathan Janco profile image59
    Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years ago

    I think the keyword in that final sentence, TM, is 'factual'. So, I won't speculate further on dirty deals that may be made in a very dirty business. Otherwise, where do I begin? I think I'll begin with this: I tend to limit myself in the political forums these days because I get tired of what I feel amounts to a very petty and circular argument. And just like in the gov't, it ultimately amounts to no greater understanding being met. So I tend to try to limit myself to putting my two cents in and proceding to something a little less nauseating than politics. But it is posts like these, made by someone who commonly posts with a direct ultra-conservative lean and uses very obvious words, phrases and talking points to convey the actions of dirty, intolerant lunatics as representative of the American Left that pull me back in.

    Communism, like Nazi-ism, is not representative of American political culture except in the sense that it is a direct and deliberate foreign influence conceived for the purpose of lessening our power not only as a nation but as a political culture at the base level. The United States is a political country at heart and she loves her radicals. So, with that in mind, and also considering the fact that I have been involved in direct confrontations with both Communists at the political level and Nazis at the combative and political levels, I would have to absolutely insist that a Communist is as irrelevant to the American Left as a Nazi is to the American Right.

    A lot of positions in key arguments seem to come up where the American Left and the American Right have some very serious and explorable commonality. This of course tends to get thoroughly ignored for the most part as both sides tend to cling to positions of one kind or another and forget that neither end of the spectrum within gov't represents the interests of American principles, left or right. At the level of the active citizen I see a commonality concerning a need to replace or atleast reform the Fed and restore the rights of the gov't to control its own treasury, a need to bring our brothers/sisters, fathers/mothers, sons/daughters back from not only Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, etc., but Saudia Arabia, Germany, Japan and so on, not to mention lighting a fire under Congress' butt to stop bailing out banks and creditors. But all I see here is one side or the other blaming the governmental 'representatives' of each other.

    And like I have said, I have experienced the American Nazi Party at their rallies as a counter-demonstrator a number of times and I have also harassed CPUSA members at their rallies as a carefree 100% American Radical Tree Hugging Lefty freak.
    And I can tell you TM, with no small amount of confidence, that they are both everywhere. They're in the gov't, they're in the unions, they're in the churches, the military, the police departments, the schools and in the streets. And as a self-described American Leftist let me make clear that this is surely a disgrace and a shame.

    Well, I think I have atleast made it clear why I normally limit myself in the political forums. That's all for now.

    1. S Leretseh profile image60
      S Leretsehposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      " I would have to absolutely insist that a Communist is as irrelevant to the American Left as a Nazi is to the American Right."

      Very well put.  Agree 100%

      TMMason, you are a wealth of valuable information.  Your zeal and perseverance - in the face of so many insulting liberals - is extraordinary.

  4. Cagsil profile image72
    Cagsilposted 12 years ago

    Yet another distortion thread to confuse situations and separate people. Good job TMMason. You must be really proud of yourself.

  5. TMMason profile image59
    TMMasonposted 12 years ago

    Actually, the Socialist, Communists, Unions, Illegals, and Democrats, along with many another far Left radical Orgs., Islam and the Anti-Semites, and other Leant Left individuals, all seem rather united to me.

    Joined at the hip... so to speak.

    Wouldn't you say?

    I was just celebrating that beautiful union of such great Americans. I mean they should be proud of it, as with other choices people make, if you're ashamed of your choices of behaviours or actions, associations or beliefs, then why would you have or hold them?

    I for one am happy they so proudly announce it to the world... lets us all know just where everyone stands.

    1. Doug Hughes profile image61
      Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      We know where you stand.

      1. TMMason profile image59
        TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        And we know where the American Left stands, Doug.

    2. John Holden profile image60
      John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Funny how you see Islam as being left wing when they are so obviously right wing.

      1. TMMason profile image59
        TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I did not say Islam was Left wing.

        I said they are allied with the left wing and Commies and Socialist, etc... they just took a bunch 'o love boats to the middle east on a two week cruise together... so...

        And the NAZIs, -(Socialists)-, of the world are on the rise again... Russia can attest to that.

        And the lil gathering of anti-Semitic, anti-America, anti-Constitution groups, is very interesting to some of us.

        And I am well aware that there are some honorable people on the Left still, who would not tolerate these others if they didn't have to.

        And yes, Progressives on the Right are nothing more than Socialists and colluders, some are even fellow-travelers and subversive traitors.

        And many are just simple minded lil useful idiots.

        And the Communists are as relevant as the positions they hold and orgs, (Unions), they directly control. That is a whole lot of power for Communists, Socialist and other Anti-American groups to have in this country... and it/they need to be watched, if not destroyed.

        1. lovemychris profile image74
          lovemychrisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You wouldn't know an anti-American if you sat on one.

          In support them.

          Ond day you'll be forced to reckon with that fact. And soon.

        2. I am DB Cooper profile image62
          I am DB Cooperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          You continue to equate Nazism with Socialism. Nazis are socialist in the same way that Jack Black is a black man. Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. Perhaps certain pseudo-Socialist states had similarities to Nazi Germany (I'm thinking of Stalinist Russia in particular), but this was not socialism in the Marxist tradition. In fact, most of the time when we see the word "socialism" used by a government it's just propaganda to convince the underclass that they are supporting a classless society cause.

          The National Socialist party in Germany didn't follow the tenets of true socialism, but the name played well with the German people who were downtrodden after the economic collapse following the first World War. This propaganda wouldn't work in the United States in 2011, because the poor in the US aren't part of the underclass. No, they see themselves as temporarily out-of-luck millionaires. Joe the Plumber's wallet is far better off with the tax system favored by Democrats, but he supports Republicans because their tax system would be more favorable to the successful business he plans to someday own.

          1. uncorrectedvision profile image59
            uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You make one very important point.  Most American see themselves as hard working, productive if unlucky potential millionaires.  Every American that bad mouths the rich would still love to be rich.  Look at the lotteries across the country and the casinos.  All very popular among those who are anything but rich.

            Besides, Barbara Tuchman in a book about WWI said( I am paraphrasing)  "Given a choice between disorder and injustice the German people will always choose order by an iron hand."  (Quote may be wrong but idea is right.)  I looked for the actual quote and couldn't find it.

          2. TMMason profile image59
            TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Many differing degrees of Marxist/Socialist/Communist Ideology in the world, and all fatal to man and country, and many antogonistic to one another.

            Hitler is all the Left's... as is Mussolini.

   … socialist/

            1. John Holden profile image60
              John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

              A fine semi literate distortion of the truth, surely you can do better than that?

              Here, try this
              a better grasp of written English too.

              1. TMMason profile image59
                TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Hitler is all your sides, a Leant Left Socialist.

                Be proud of "Uncle Adolf" right there aside ole "Uncle Joe" Stalin, ahh family.

                ---"It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical. The evidence before 1945 was more private than public, which is perhaps significant in itself. In public Hitler was always anti-Marxist, and in an age in which the Soviet Union was the only socialist state on earth, and with anti-Bolshevism a large part of his popular appeal, he may have been understandably reluctant to speak openly of his sources. His megalomania, in any case, would have prevented him from calling himself anyone's disciple. That led to an odd and paradoxical alliance between modern historians and the mind of a dead dictator. Many recent analysts have fastidiously refused to study the mind of Hitler; and they accept, as unquestioningly as many Nazis did in the 1930s, the slogan "Crusade against Marxism" as a summary of his views. An age in which fascism has become a term of abuse is unlikely to analyse it profoundly.

                His private conversations, however, though they do not overturn his reputation as an anti-Communist, qualify it heavily. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

                That is a devastating remark and it is blunter than anything in his speeches or in Mein Kampf.; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him..."

       … 86455.html

                It is pretty old news that he is on your side...

       … 0718829867

                1. I am DB Cooper profile image62
                  I am DB Cooperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I think you're giving Hitler too much credit, and perhaps even falling for the "Hitler Myth" that Nazi propaganda attempted to promote. You're assuming he read AND clearly understood and implemented the concepts of Marxism, and he wasn't just picking and choosing the parts of Marxism that would play well with the German people in order to exploit them for his own gain.

                  When Hitler's saying he put Marxism into practice while other Marxist proponents were all talk, someone who understands Marxism would say he was deviating from Marxist ideals by instead forming a fascist state. 

                  Instead of just focusing on names, which seem to confuse you, look instead at Hitler's actions after his rise to power:
                  - Restored economic prosperity and lowered unemployment via massive military spending.
                  - Suppressed labor unions and strikes.
                  - Through Himmler and the Gestapo, destroyed the Socialist, Communist, and liberal opposition that had been mounting in Germany.
                  - Took control of all civic organizations except for the Protestant and Catholic churches.
                  - Attempted to establish a system of imperial dominance over neighboring countries, where the conquered countries were sub-ordinate to Nazi Germany.

                  Elements of socialism can be found in any country, but in Nazi Germany it seems Hitler only turned to socialism when he needed support from the German people. As it turns out, people actually favored programs like socialized healthcare (and they still do just about everywhere but the United States). With the people on his side, he was able to turn back to his true fascist beliefs and expand the military at an unprecedented rate, conquer sovereign nations, and blame all of Germany's problems on people he considered undesirable (Jews, Gays, Roma, etc).

                2. John Holden profile image60
                  John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow, well done TM. Yet another anti socialist rant by another renowned anti socialist and we are supposed to be impressed and agree!

                  You may be so gullible, we aren't.
                  What will you come up with next, My Best Mates, the Jews, by A Hitler?

                  1. uncorrectedvision profile image59
                    uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                    I started thinking of other book titles - completely divorced from the topic now - "Spare Eyeglasses: Arts and Crafts with Spectacles"  by Pol Pot,  came to mind

                3. Josak profile image59
                  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  See this is a follish comment, people on the left do have many evil people which were leftists to account for, such as Pol-pot and Stalin tryig to dump Hitler on the left is easily refutable, Hitler hated communists (the first people he imprisoned were the communists) same with Mussolinin, the right should atleast have the guts to admit to its own despots.

                  1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
                    Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                    There are people who are inherently evil and people which are inherently good.  To label those from left or right, good or evil, is ridiculous. Hitler was just plain evil. His political, ideological views would not be condoned by thinking, sane people on either side of the aisle. To purport that his views belonged to a particular "ideology" is immature. A megalomaniac is a megalomaniac. Unfortunately, both sides of the spectrum attract psychopaths from time to time. They tend to lay their hat where they are initially unsuspected. I can recall an infamous GP who murdered many of his older female patients. I don't believe that all GP's are murderers, though.

              2. uncorrectedvision profile image59
                uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Fairly stated.  You won't find me calling fascists or Nazis socialists but I reject the idea that they share anything in common with American conservative political thinking.  Nazism/fascism are centrally direct economic models with a powerful party directorate at the center.  This in not a conservative model.

      2. uncorrectedvision profile image59
        uncorrectedvisionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

        Muslims do tend to have an attraction for fascism.  Not a "right wing" idea as far as the ridiculous notion of "right wing" fits in American politics.

        European politics and American politics are different.  Americans liberals tend to think that they occupy the middle ground when on a philosophical continuum they clearly do not.

        Islam is a conservative culture in so far as it seeks to retain its culture regardless of how understanding of nature, man and the universe changes they seek to remain the same.  Ever wonder why the last great Muslim scientific contribution is well over 600 years old?

        1. John Holden profile image60
          John Holdenposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          But never the less, right wing. Look at them, they are for all the things TM is for, or should I say against, anti abortion, anti gay, capital punishment etc..

          Your admission of their fascism places them firmly on the right.

  6. profile image0
    Onusonusposted 12 years ago

    interesting, In order to take something back you have to have had it first. I don't remember ever hearing that the 4th of July was a Commie holiday.
    I wonder if they are implying that the founding fathers fought the revolution over communist principles.

    1. TMMason profile image59
      TMMasonposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Haven't you heard?

      The Declararion and Constitution are Socialist Documents, "We The people"... based on the "power of the people"... blah blah... would be sad... or funny... if they weren't so damn serious about it.

      1. dutchman1951 profile image60
        dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

        I would say all the movements are now deeply intertwined TM, so much so it will soon be hard to distinguish which fight is democratic in purpose, or for Communistic purpose of Destructionism.  Serious stuff we are headed into. I wounder how loud  people will scream when it is too late!

        ""We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia. . . . The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize. We have to ensure the fulfillment of the democratic revolution." --Michael Ledeen, American Enterprise Institute, 20023"

        Dangerious minds abound.

  7. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    ""The right wing over a number of years have hijacked some of our holidays and July 4th is one of those holidays they have hijacked" Maybe the right wing thinks this statement means they created the holiday and not that it has become
    a celebration of war.

  8. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    ""We The people"... based on the "power of the people".". We the aristocracy... based on the power of the aristocracy.

  9. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 12 years ago

    Mussolini was a British Intelligence agent in his younger career. The question is: once a British Intelligence agent, always a British Intelligence agent?

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      once a British Intelligence agent, always a British Intelligence agent?

      To a point I'd agree with you Knol. Nevertheless, once a British Intelligence agent, always willing to work for the opposition for large sums of money or withdrawal of damaging pictures!

  10. steveamy profile image59
    steveamyposted 11 years ago

    the paranoia contained in this forum is amazing....I think m any missed the point of the speech that was originally referenced. Along  the same all should read Fredrick Douglas' remarks about the Fouth....Oh by the way I saw a commie lurking in the bushes ...

  11. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    Got to get with the times. The communist has been replaced by the terrorist, which will be replaced by something else when China becomes the all-out enemy.

  12. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    You went back a long way for that one. Took it from 'once a catholic always a catholic'. Read a historical perspective of WWII based on interpretation of the treaties agreed to by the various parties in retrospect, so as to show that
    the the whole show was to manipulate Hitler into attacking Russia, you know to destroy communism.
    Mussolini came into it because they did not want Hitler to go south instead, all the sun and fun.

  13. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    "Hitler was just plain evil." Hitler believed in the master race or superior people, and that those that weren't were evil. Hitler believed he was destroying evil. Would that not that attitude describe a good proportion of the world's population.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Knol, I'm a socialist. But, I still think that the vast majority of people would not condone Hitler's beliefs. I do believe that propaganda leads people to make wrong decisions, because it's based on disinformation and fear. I also believe that when people are afraid, they will go along along with anything, survival instinct perhaps?  However, as much as I do dislike zionnists, wall street, corporations and arse holes who put profit before human life, I would never condone genocide.  I do believe that a majority of the worlds inhabitants believe that they are destroying evil, but because they are ill informed and do not question. Like Amdj's a crazy man. No, that's netan and the other cronies.  I was also trying to say that I would never credit British intelligence with any integrity, non at all.

  14. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    Come-on - you got to give "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy (1979) - Alec Guinness" credit for integrity as
    British Intelligence. The whole of concept of hell is worse than Hitler wouldn't one say, since it is forever.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I always thought that Tinker, tailor, soldier, spy. was Le Carre. Clearly I'm dumb (was only 13 when it was published, you have to give me a break here lol)  Mi5 and 6, wouldn't want to go down that route, indeed that is hell and forever.

  15. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    Le Carre was the book and it is a great book. Alec Guinness is the British miniseries which is also great and almost as good as the book. See they got a new movie out this weekend - Tinker Taylor..... Haven't read the reviews yet.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I want to see it. When I was younger (a teenager) I read night manager, the spy who came in from the cold and the Russia house. (my family thought I was a bit weird) I really enjoyed them. Le Carre, probably due to his past, is well able to spin a yarn.

  16. knolyourself profile image59
    knolyourselfposted 11 years ago

    I got held at the border inside east Berlin for awhile when the wall was up. So got the feeling of the whole thing.

    1. Hollie Thomas profile image60
      Hollie Thomasposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Either side of the wall could be described as.. the uncomfortable middle.


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