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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   Don't you  believe that the tea party is not of one party but both parties?  Not just angry right but angry left as well? And by marginalizing thier anger you also marginalize yours?

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      niall.tubbsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

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         Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         Drag being the operative word:)

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         Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         If you think that the current tea partiers have much in common with libertarians, then you clearly don't know what either of those groups believe in.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There's no shortage of angry people in both parties. But there are significant differences among them.
      
      Here is a list which may be used to diagnose how far from reality an individual is. Holding four or more of the beliefs qualifies for membership in the Tea Party. Ten or more is an indication that you have lost nearly all touch with reality and a candidate for in-patient mental care.
      
      1. Global warming is a hoax.
      
      2. Not sure Obama was born in the U.S.
      
      3. Obama is a secret Muslim.
      
      4. Handgun control violates the Second Amendment.
      
      5. Licensed gun owners should be able to "carry" at any public event, in public buildings, schools, etc.
      
      6. "Drill baby drill" is the answer to energy issues
      
      7. Evolution is an unproved theory.
      
      8. Creationism or "intelligent" design should be taught in public schools.
      
      9. Affirmative action amounts to discrimination against whites.
      
      10. Sharia law is spreading across the US.
      
      11. Government is the enemy,
      
      12. Free markets will solve nearly all problems.
      
      13. The graduated income tax amounts to unfair or unconstitutional confiscation.
      
      14. The Education Department, the EPA and other Executive Branch agencies should be eliminated.
      
      15. Foreign aid is a waste of taxpayer's money and should be discontinued.
      
      16. The right of workers to organize unions and bargain collectively with employers should be curtailed.
      
      17. Capital punishment is necessary to deter crimes and provide justice to victims.
      
      18. Law and order should be a higher priority; prison sentences should be longer and parole standards tightened.
      
      19. Sex education in public schools should be confined to abstinence only.
      
      20. Abortion is murder and should be illegal.
      
      21. The "gay agenda" is a menace to American traditions and institutions.
      
      22. All illegal immigrants should be deported.
      
      http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/opini … ef=opinion

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         I am DB Cooperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They've come a long way since "Taxed Enough Already". I'd like to see Ron Paul and some of the other true libertarians strike back at Glenn Beck and Bachmann and the other parasites who have successfully hijacked the Tea Party because it was the only grassroots movement that was getting any traction with conservative and moderate voters. Now the Tea Party is neither grassroots nor libertarian. The only people who show up to Tea Party rallies now are the ones who are too stupid to realize they are billionaires' pawns.

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         Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Fabulous, Ralph!
         
         All except for the last line.
         In-patient mental care? WHAT in-patient mental care?
         Oh right.
         In order to score high on this test it is presumed that you have generous private health insurance that covers such treatment.

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         Onusonusposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I've got a list for you, If you believe four or more of these things you live in a liberal extremist fantasy land.
         
         1. Everything that goes wrong for Obama is Bush's fault.
         
         2. It's not a human until it exits the womb.
         
         3. The rich don't pay their fair share.
         
         4. If someone disagrees with Obama they are a racist.
         
         5. Evolution should be taught in school as an unquestioned fact rather than a theory.
         
         6. Michael Moore is a credible research annalist who makes many valid points.
         
         7. Socialized medicine won't make the country go completely broke.
         
         8. Government programs help decrease the poverty level.
         
         9. Marriage is an unnecessary and outdated institution.
         
         10. God is OK with people doing whatever they want as long as they don't hurt anybody.
         
         11.The founding fathers were nothing more than a bunch of slave owning white guys who didn't want to pay their taxes.
         
         12. Black people who join the tea party are "Uncle Toms"
         
         13.posting the "Ten Commandments" in schools will hurt the children, but putting "Heather Has Two Mommies" or "Ask Alice" (on the internet) won't.
         
         14. The christian right should not pose it's morals on me but we should impose big government on people because they wont do the right thing.
         
         15. Republicans like to start immoral wars, but a woman should have the freedom to choose weather or not the person inside her can live.
         
         16. A moment of silent prayer in school is an intrusion of parental authority, while condom distribution and sex education are value-neutral.
         
         17. Welfare is a basic human right for illegal immigrants who don't pay taxes.
         
         18. 1 + 1 = 2, or 3, or 4...or whatever it takes to protect the child's self-esteem.
         
         19.
         
         porn should be federally protected per Freedom of Speech, but public profession of Faith should be outlawed.
         
         20.
         
         the Middle East crisis can only be solved once Israel is wiped off the map.
         
         21. Christianity and anything relating to it are potentially harmful to you and your children, but you're completely open-minded to Witchcraft, occult-ism, mysticism, etc.

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   Evan G Rogersposted 12 years ago

   The Tea Party started with Ron Paul's money bomb on December 16th, 2007. It was a Libertarian view point back then. They wanted a reduction in spending and taxes, and an end to the wars.
   
   Since, people like Palin, Beck, and, yes, even Karl Rove have been donating frantically to steer the movement.
   
   It is now a Neo-Conservative movement hell-bent on cutting spending and continuing warfare.

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      dutchman1951posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      agree Evan, it has been hijacked, and suprisingly, people are some what wise to it. No attendance at the rallys and conventions. But yes, both parties populate it.

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   The sad part really is this, that any momentum achieved by the Bi partisan tea party is being obscured by the public apathy towards real change.   We had a chance in the last election of the possibility of breaking the two party hold on power, Now we can all sit back and watch as the "new" leaders fall into the same laid back rhetoric of the past. Young blood on both sides of the aisle held promise for the left especially but the right as well! While media is now marginallizing any hope. And sadly this voters revolution holds little promise.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The Tea Party is hardly bi-partisan although there are no doubt a few ignorant Dem converts who are dupes of the Kochsucker/Armey well financed propaganda.

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   downhillXnowposted 12 years ago

   I think both parties Woed a long time ago.  At least from the right direction.  How do you spell that?

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   Great , another spelling cop.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   Are you saying that the small number of Dem frosh elected in 2010 is/was somehow more promising than the vast army of TP frosh who got elected at the same time?
   Surely you are not saying that these uber conservative right wingers are in any way themselves a positive thing for the left (?)

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   ahorsebackposted 12 years ago

   What I'm saying is any considerable worth to the uprising of anger in America passing  into political office in 2010 probably isn't worth spit !

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      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      On this we agree.
      Certainly Americans have every right to be angry.
      We need our economy back. We need to not see our jobs outsourced overseas. We need Congress to do its job and quit f-ing around about this debt ceiling vote.
      
      I believe people are coming (late) to the realization that the Tea Party "movement" was manufactured and they were duped.
      My opinion only, of course.

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   Moderndayslaveposted 12 years ago

   http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/07/29 … cal-bills/

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      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent points.
      And I'm sure they all decline their Social Security payments, too. Because they don't believe in "entitlement" programs.
      
      Amazing this viewpoint from veterans. Perhaps they're sick and tired of having THEIR VA medical benefits stomped on, as well -- by the so-called "support our troops" party.

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   Unfortunately, many in the TEA Party are giving the moderate conservatives a bad name.

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      Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think people are recognizing that the Tea Party terrorists are shills for the rich. The  train wreck (debt threat, be careful how you pronounce it on the phone to your congresscritters) in DC was of their design.
      
      It doesn't represent the views of moderate republicans or independents. The good news is that they are falling in the polls.

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    purplepoodlesposted 12 years ago

    Falling in the polls? I think not! You must be watching the communist news network (CNN.) You're going to see the strong side of the Tea party even more in the 2012 elections and I have a feeling you're not going to like it! The liberals are the terrorist, certainly not the Tea Party. The Tea Party stands for freedom from a controlling Government. Why do liberals and their leader Obama, want more Government control over our lives when it is clear to everyone with a brain, that the Government has ruined every program they've ever been involved in?  Look at any program that they are in charge of and see what they've done with it. Not only do they ruin every program but they charge us double to screw it up. The public school system, the IRS, the DMV, the medicare and medicaid programs, welfare, social security and so on, the list is long. Do you really want these people in charge of your healthcare and everything else? I do not, and that is why I'm a tea Party member.

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       Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The SS Teabagger is going down.
       
       By Jordan Fabian -03/30/11 10:22 AM ET
       
       "The public's approval of the conservative Tea Party has reached a new low, according to a poll released Wednesday.
       
       A CNN/Opinion Research survey showed that only 32 percent have a favorable view of the Tea Party, while 47 percent view it unfavorably...
       
       Those numbers are down from their high in April 2010, when favorability outstripped unfavorability 38-36 percent."
       
       http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- … es-new-low
       
       Oh you don't approve of scientific polls by CNN? Have you heard of Gallup?
       
       "Gallup began tracking Americans' views of the Tea Party in March 2010, when 37% had a favorable and 40% an unfavorable view. Those views stayed roughly the same through January of this year, but have now turned somewhat more negative. The April 20-23 USA Today/Gallup poll finds favorable opinions of the Tea Party movement dropping to 33%, from 39% in January, and unfavorable opinions rising to 47% from 42%."
       
       
       These polls were taken before the debt ceiling hostage negotiations. I would predict a huge dip in the next round of polls. But the important poll is the one in 2012 when we send them home.

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       Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Public schools and DMV are not federal programs.
       Schools are local and DMV is state.
       But I do see your point.
       I think it would be a capital idea to have all government programs privatized.
       Let's put Walmart in charge of educating our children.
       How about AT&T replacing the IRS -- after all, your monthly phone bill is about as easy to read as a tax form.
       
       But wait.
       If we did away with government entirely, then we would have no one legislating our sex lives.
       So perhaps it's not the greatest idea after all.

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          habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Actually, MM, public schools get funding from federal, state, and local - unless it's changed since I retired. If the schools meet federal standards, they qualify for federal funds.

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             Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

             Right you are, Habee.
             I wasn't thinking so much about funding only. I was thinking of programs that are at state level or below. Which schools definitely are!
             But your point is well taken, Madam:)

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                habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Lol!

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                Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                It's unconstitutional for Schools to be federally funded...
                
                ... but that didn't stop our Federal Government!
                
                "Through the food processor with it!", yelled our Congressional leaders. They were talking about the Constitution. They passed No Child Left Un-Tested..
                
                ... wait.. that's not it...
                
                No Child Left To Think For Themselves...
                
                wait... wait... I'll get it right eventually.
                
                ... anyway, no kids don't have to do anything in order to graduate. 20 year old kids who don't know what a subject is are graduating high school.
                
                I done did see it happen wit' mah OHWN TWO EYES, I did..

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                   Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   
                   
                   
                   Evan,
                   Actually, a great metaphor for our entire country.
                   Caught with our proverbial pants down on the whole education thing

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                   habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   There lies much of the problem. Teachers are too worried about teaching the tests. You wouldn't believe how much pressure they're under!

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                      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Very true. "No child left behind" was a well-intentioned but misguided effort.

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                         habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         I totally agree, Ralph.

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                         Evan G Rogersposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         There's a famous road pathed with good intentions.

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                purplepoodlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                Mighty Mom, When I say Government, I'm not restricting that to Federal Government. I'm talking about all Government programs, one monster with several different heads! As was pointed out, almost all local and state Government programs are funded in some part by the federal Government.
                Our Government has been spiraling out of control for many years but the last 2 years are way out of control. Obama was elected because he was black. There could of been no other good reason to elect him  because he had never really accomplished anything. He hangs around with thugs and was very supported by these thugs as he ran for election. Remember, it's just as racist to vote for a black man because he is black, as it is to NOT vote for a black man because he is black!
                The Tea Party is the only hope to get this nation back on track because I know the liberals and the Republicans in name only (RINO's) are not going to. We need real people that understand the what needs to be done to get America back on her feet again.
                As far as the schools go, why aren't we aloud to have school choice and send our kids whereever we want them to go? Oh yea, because the public schools could not compete with private and all those union teacher jobs would be gone. The libs hate school choice because the unions are what keeps getting them elected.

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                   Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   'allowed' not 'aloud'
                   
                   You are allowed to send your child to any school you can afford. The option of sending your kid to a school outside our natural district is set by local rules, except in the case of failing schools, when federal rules mandate options for parents who want to send their kids to different schools. Your post claims circumstances that are opposite reality.

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                      purplepoodlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Doug,
                      Does it make you feel superior because I accidentally used the wrong "allowed?" Wow, seems a little nitpicky to me.
                      Would you please point out your claim that my post has circumstances that are opposite reality.
                      The reality is that you liberals always say you're for the poor people. But not allowing for school choice, actually puts the poor people at a real disadvantage. Does not seem fair to me that you would require all the poor people to suffer in the failing public schools, while the rich people get to put their kids in any school they want. Very unjust to the poor people for the liberal to keep voting down school choice.
                      Only because I know you're such a stickler with detail in your comments... there is no such thing as a "natural district." they are all manmade. Maybe you should change that in your comment above me. Only a thought!

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                   Randy Godwinposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   "Obama was elected because he was black."
                   
                   This statement is so ridiculous it destroys the credibility of your entire post.  Obama would've never been elected without getting many votes from white people and minorities from all over the country.
                   
                   It's like saying Dubya wouldn't have been elected twice unless his supporters were stupid, or lived in Florida, or both.  Wait a minute......!

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                      purplepoodlesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                      Randy,
                      Apparently you don't comprehend the written word well.  I never said that white people didn't vote for Obama. Many, many white liberals helped vote him in, along with many blacks that wanted to get a first black president. I only wish that Herman Cain had been running at that time. Then we would of had a good black president.  I said that Obama was elected only because he was black, and I stand by that statement!  What other reason on this earth, would anyone elect this man? He had absolutely no background for being the president and he hung around with scumbags. Also had a long time preacher friend that is very much against America and is extremely racist against white people.
                      Before you reply to something I say, you should really check your facts because I know of what I speak.

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                         Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                         Sooo... It's wrong to elect Obama because he is black, but it would have been just dandy to elect Herman Cain because he is black?
                         How is this logical?
                         
                         Did you ever stop to consider that the Obama victory was actually a vast ageist, sexist conspiracy?
                         It's true!
                         Check it out.
                         We could have had a white septagenerian and our first woman vice president.
                         Instead we chose the homey.

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                   habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                   School choice depends much on availability and enrollment numbers in GA. If our county schools have extra room, we allow kids in from other counties, but they have to get permission from the county office. If the kid has a bad discipline record, he might be refused. When I was teaching, our school had good test scores, so parents from surrounding counties often wanted their kids to attend our high school. We also had programs that smaller schools didn't have.

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    TMMasonposted 12 years ago

    The tea party is running the show in Wash. and the Left and Progressives are hating every minute of it.
    
    And the tea party is and always has been a wide range of the political spectrum... and I do not believe any one person can be credited with starting it.

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       Doug Hughesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       The entire debt ceiling hostage crisis was engineered for one goal that failed. The plan was to force the Senate to pass the 'Save the Fat Cats Constitutional Amendment'.  The Senate would not blink and the Tea Party did.
       
       The only feature of the deal where democrats gave ground was the demand that tax loopholes and corporate giveaway programs end. The Bush Tax Cuts will expire so we are guaranteed that revenue.

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    TMMasonposted 12 years ago

    Wow you all never cease to amaze... this BS is as good as the, suppossed, "Tea Party Bill", -right, as if!-, that just passed. The BS propaganda never stops flushing out the sewers of the Left.
    
    What a laugh.

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    Sherlock221bposted 12 years ago

    I don't know the political views of the Tea Party, but its name sounds quite inviting.  I have had tea parties, and have always enjoyed them.  Salmon and cucumber sandwiches, followed by some Battenberg, with tea made in the best china teapot and a few glasses of sweet sherry.  Sounds charming.

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