Anyone participating on Occupy (name of your city goes here) in solidarity with Occupy Wall Street today?
If not live and in person, how about participating through online OWS sites??
"Occupy Wall Street"
Because "...This is what a 'Useless Whiny Aimless Hipster Brain-Dead Drugged-Up Childish Unwashed Union-Thug Tool of the Socialist Liberal Lock-Step Left into Public Sex & Pooping on Cars Who Lives in Momma's Basement' looks like..." was just too long to chant.
Sorry kids. Preplanned, heavily staged, media saturated, AstroTurfed Anarchist love-ins do NOT a "Peace Movement" make. Particularly when they're in bed with Islamic Terrorist websites, and various other "death to America" groups. We now have the complete #OccupyWallStreet Email Archives (which I know is totally OK, because Sarah Palin's emails were fair game) which show little actual "love of humanity" as the genesis of the movement. None, actually.
http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/201 … overnments
Now that's interesting. And if it's true, it explains the fuel behind the OWS movement. And confirms the fact that America needs to drill baby drill on our own soil (literally and figuratively).
Just doing my part, Ma'am. And, the email's validity isn't in question. The 'Anonymous' hacker team might have a few skills, but that's not to say they're the smartest guys on the net. Nor the best equipped.
As a rule, I never credit your average Lock-step Liberal with an over abundance of intellect, to begin with.
Tea party members, on the other hand, are all intellectual giants.
That's all you've got? Fully Clothed, fat white people (excepting the cartoon, the addition of which shows a sophomoric intellect, at best), NOT doing drugs, having public sex, or otherwise fouling every square foot of land they're standing on? ~yawn~
I'm going to have to add "Boring" to my general assessment of the Lock-step Liberal.
Better than the Lock-N-Load Baggers. *you betcha*
Sorry, I must have fell asleep and missed the link you posted showing OWS protesters; doing drugs; having public sex; fouling every square foot of land their standing on. I must keep pace
You must keep spouting the wall street scree. Where's the proof of anything you just said?
Meanwhile, while you poor righty's are always crying victim:
"Arrests have begun. (I mean, of peaceful citizens. Still no banker or CEO in jail.) Now we're watching people being dragged away. #OWS"
Lie, cheat, steal....no problemo! Stand up to it...go to jail? THIS is Bagger America? You can have it.
lovemychrisposted 106 minutes ago in reply to this
You must keep spouting the wall street scree. Where's the proof of anything you just said?
Lovemy? Did you not see the link I posted? #OccupyWallStreet's email archive? Is this all going too fast for you?
No, but I've been watching livestream, and have not seen one person having sex,doing drugs or crapping....have seen kids get beat with clubs though, thrown to the ground violently and handcuffed, penned in cages like cows. Have seen that. You like that treatment for people?
You find doing drugs having public sex boring?
Well, a chacun son gout.
I think they're as intelligent as anyone else; it's just that so many have attention span problems, they're all over the place and can be swayed to fight for any cause, real or imagined, as long as it's something "new".....
Millions of American jobs disappeared overseas.
401(k) plans decimated.
COBRA coverage gone with the jobs.
Homes foreclosed on.
Yes, these are all imagined.
Just like the Vietnam War.
Au contraire, Hollie. Nothing like the Tea Party.
If there's one thing you can say about the Tea Party is they are NOT subject to whims or flights of fancy.
They remain 100% clear on their values.
THEIR values. Which should be EVERYONE ELSE'S VALUES. Dammit!
They stand firm in their convictions -- even in the face of overwhelming evidence that they're wrong and absolutely no one else is standing with them.
Hey, who needs evidence, when you know the big G is on your side. Sheer righteousness, and funding, who needs it
They've got the Big G.
But we've got the Big O!
Wanna make a little side wager, MM? I'm not convinced the Dems are gonna let his cute, fragile little torso Run for Reelection come 2012. He's served his purpose, but become a real embarrassment.
Of course he became that. The "status quo" remains unchallenged by any President regardless which side of the aisle it comes from. This is obvious.
You're confusing me as to your allegiances, Cags. You EXPECTED Obambi to become an embarrassment? Yet defended him and voted for him and such, anyway?
I knew McCain was an embarrassment to the Conservative cause, and uttered not a word in his praise or defense, other than noting the sheer brilliance he showed in picking the dreaded-by-all-things-leftist Sarah Palin.
Do you really mean to say your allegiance is that fluid?
No one with a brain will take your name-calling seriously. Just because the opposition to the cause is a bunch of fascist, militant, selfish, brainwashed, easily-duped by the establishment bunch of bigoted, simpleton sociopath morons doesn't mean your worthless hyperlink is credible to any extent whatsoever.
Whoa. Did I just catch flack for posting what amounts to a humorous name calling, by someone who immediately launched a long calling of names? Hypocrisy, thy name is Smookie.
Are the effects wearing off, Rart Smookie? Take another hit, dude. You'll be feeling mellow in a minute.
And the hyperlink's worth, is indeed, purely subjective. To the Lock-step Liberal, it is proof that the drum he is marching to is being beaten by the very people he would protest, and is therefore a thing to be ridiculed and avoided. Sheep hate Sheepdogs. Cockroaches hate Light. Protesters hate to learn that their strings are being pulled by foreign ideologues who couldn't begin to care less if they all dropped dead on the spot.
"Protesters hate to learn that their strings are being pulled by foreign ideologues who couldn't begin to care less if they all dropped dead on the spot."
Crunchy. Substitute "domestic, corporate" for "foreign" and you've got a spot-on description of the Tea Party!
I always (and yes, I mean Always) hear from the uninformed that the Tea Party is being ginned up by Big Money from somewhere. Oddly, not a person I know who is active in the Tea Party (and that is a large, diverse group from all over America I'm in contact with), has been able to tell me where a humble little Crunchy can get in on some of that Corporate Sponsor Money. Evidently, there just isn't any to be had.
No one has ever offered me a free bus ride, complete with free T-shirts and signs to wave, to go to some protest or other. Unions, both Private and Public sector, do that all the time. ACORN, and all of the quickly renamed little .orgs it split into, does that all the time. Paid Protestor businesses do that all the time.
If you're now SWEARING there can be no such business, get your fingers over to Craigslist Employment, and look for "Work for Important Issues". Paid Protesting is a time-honored leftist career. The people in the Tea Party have jobs and spouses and children to support, so we're not really given to empty causes and wastes of our time. Or money.
So please, MM. Find me the Corporate Sponsorship you're so certain I'm being guided and provided by, and at least get me a little reimbursement for all the time and money I've invested, trying to keep Greedy Fat-Cat Socialist Community Organizers & Agitators from putting my country into Bankruptcy.
Not hypocrisy, just evening up the sides.
I created a thoughtful response, but I hit a wrong button and it was all wiped out. What's funny is that you and your ilk don't care if I have any common ground with you or not.
I don't care what foreign ideologues think. I know who doesn't care whether I live or die. That thing is called selfishness. Certain people want their lives abundantly wealthy beyond the limitations of their minds, and if I don't serve that interest, I can be cast aside like garbage, no matter what I have or want to offer. You want to support a world like that? Be my guest.
Ya , hey lets all get on a bus an go inhabit a public park , and leave our waste , filth and defications all over the city. Professional protesters demanding student loans be forgiven ,please!.......
I think that's what they mean by OCCUPY. Take over. And the heck with common sense and peaceful protest.
Oh please come to California where illegals get free tuition and citizens pay 32 % more now than 4 years ago. Were illegals get free passes on having drivers licenses and American citizens without licenses go to jail and have their cars impounded. Oh maybe you had better wait until January when those laws take effect.
Gott love these new age Christians, who side with the money-changers.
It's a sight to behold.
You do like to put labels on everything and everyone, don't you?
It isn't that I'm FOR "Wall Street" or against it. It's that I'm against the rioters because they're not simply using their rights as citizens, they're abusing them (notice even their "name" is aggressive, not civil) and most of them (it seems to me) are simply carrying out Obama's socialist agenda.
Yes I do!
Let's try some more:
Rendering onto Ceasar what is God's
Whitened Sepulchers---my fav!
oooo,no this is my fav: Ye Brood of Vipers!
I just love the goddunnit and Obama dunnit.
Obama.... is he Brenda's anti-christ?
worse....he's a Democrat. Oh, and he went to Hahvahd..the pointy-head!
LMAO... At least the Antichrist follows the bible...Obama and damn liberal Christianity.
Take from the rich to give to the poor? Burn in Hell!!!
He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself
The operative word in your scree is "TAKE" lovemy. Jesus never advocated thievery, stealing or "taking" from anyone, for any purpose. In fact, there is a specific Commandment against it.
And isn't there an old adage about "giving" a man a fish, vs. teaching him how to fish?
The kind of giving you're implying always leads to dependency, OF the person on the receiving end, TO the person on the giving end. If you happen to be the "benevolent" person who is giving the poor money, which you previously stole from the rich, that puts you in a position of great power.
Which is the real thrust behind the whole arrangement; Power to the Elitist Few, who "help" the poor by keeping them dependent & poor, ignorant of their potential and voting democrat. No Business, Corporation, or Rich 1 Percenter has the legal authority to FORCE me to give them one thin dime. But the Government does.
Of those two groups, which one has the better track record of Ethics, Customer Service, or Quality of Product?
Maybe the rich, should not be allowed to take from the poor? This, is what has been happening, not the other way around.
Hollie, if by "the rich" you mean the Government, you're not too far off.
Still, I'd like to know what it is you mean by that. The Poor, which we can say includes the bottom 49% income earners, pay ZERO Federal Income tax, yet are the recipients of the lion's share of Federal hand-outs and subsidies. As apposed to the top 1%, who pay 39% of the total Federal Income Tax Burden in real dollars.
That looks like the poor taking from the rich, via government bureaucracy, so please enlighten me as to my misunderstanding.
Poor: pay FICA
Middle: pay FICA, state and federal
Uber rich: Pay state and federal, no FICA. Have loop-holes, and tax breaks, so that someone like Mitt Romney pays 14% tax on 32 million dollars.
1% OWN 39% of all wealth in America in real dollar terms. This is Kleptocracy in action. Crony Capitalism. Theft of country.
Crony Capitalism is the bailiwick of a socialist government. Solindra being a prime example: Donate huge amounts to the Obama campaign, get a half million dollar grant shoved through to the pockets of the people who made the donation, then go Bankrupt, like all the (ignored by the Whitehouse) financial annalists said would happen.
FICA is a DEMOCRAT construction. LOOPHOLES are grafted into the Tax Codes specifically to benefit Democrat benefactors. DEMOCRATS fight simplifying the tax codes for that very reason. Republicans want the Flat Tax, the Fair Tax, or the Cain 999 plan.
You're protesting the Wrong People.
Apparently you've not read up on the totality of the reasons for the protest. But, good luck on the path you're on....
Yahh: Russssshhhhhhhhh Limbaugh, with his 59 million, will pay 9% tax. Birthday everyday!
The 1%'ers will have yet more billions to stock-pile.
And America will have NO money to pay for her upkeep, let alone repairs and security.
Seniors will lose ss, and go back to poverty in their golden years. Bye bye state parks, hospitals, schools, highways, zoo's, gardens, museums, etc....anything nice we share as a country with culture. Subways, busses, bye bye.
For the rich, of the rich by the rich. Hell--why not become Abu Dabi? Why not NO tax? They have rich and serfs....sound good?
I don't believe you. It's GOP policies to blame. I have lived it. And I see it happening now. It's Democrats who are talking about jobs and helping the unemployed and poor, not repubs. They are talking tax cuts for the rich, ending abortion rights and ending rights for gay people.
The money to pay for all those very excellent things you've just mentioned, lovemy, is being squandered, by Democrats, on absolute boondoggles like Solindra. Half a Billion Dollars, just so some Obama campaign contributor can line his pockets and skip off Scott free.
America doesn't have an Income problem. She's got a Spending problem. And the Democrats are the World Champion Money Wasters, of this or any generation.
Where is all the TARP money?? When it turned out that all those "shovel ready jobs" weren't so shovel ready, where did all those hundreds of billions of dollars go?
The Republicans submitted a Jobs Bill in Congress MONTHS ago, but it will never get out of the Democrat controlled Senate. Which, BTW, refused to vote on Obama's bill when Republicans demanded it, because Harry Reed wanted "more debate". Unlike Obamacare, which needed to be passed WITHOUT DEBATE OR A READING, yet doesn't kick in for 3 more years.
You're protesting the wrong people.
Republicans are the problem. Anyone who can't see that is not paying attention.
I think their psy-op backfired this time.
99% or 1%........which side are you on? It's really THAT simple.
Well, here's another theory I've been considering.....
I read this on Truthseeker. It's from Paul Joseph Watson on Prison Planet. And,I have reservations about Alex Jones, but this I believe to be true:
"With neo-cons rushing to support aggressive measures against Iran, Obama will now be given right cover to pursue yet another act of regime change. As we postulated back in February last year, Obama is being blackmailed into supporting an attack on Iran as the only way to save his presidency. We also speculated that an assassination attempt would be used as the pretext to implicate Iran.
Geopolitical experts have been consistent in their warnings that Israel was preparing to strike Iran this fall.
Back in July, 21-year CIA veteran Robert Baer told KPFK Los Angeles that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was planning an attack on Iran in September to coincide with the Palestine bid for UN membership."
Suppose this whole Obama psy-op: obstructing and smear campaign has been to show him, "the little up-start", that he can't do anything he wants at all...Bibi calls the shots, and he will know it!
Tarpley claims Orly Taitz was sent here by Netanyahooo to give Obama a hard time.
Bibi lectures Obama in OUR white house.
Bibi gets standing ovations from OUR congress
So--they(Zio-Con-Nazis)are basically telling Obama: "Ok punk, you give us war with Iran, and we'll let you help those useless eaters of yours...the people of your country."
What do you think? Kookoo?
I just find it hard to believe Obama is in on it all the way.....my intuition has always told me different.
Plus the fact that 2 sources claim he was threatened.
Like warren Ballentine always says: Look with your third eye.
No, by the rich I did not mean government. By the poor, I mean exactly that. Those who have had their homes foreclosed on, lost their jobs. Let me see, homeless and jobless, that's poor by anyone's standards? Right? Shame on them for paying zero taxes. Found enlightenment yet? And, I mean, how dare they take handouts, they don't need food and a roof over their head, Right? Basic necessities of life, who am I to deny them.
Bullarkey. The rich have been TAKING from us for decades.
Over-pricing, cheapening products, shoddy services, huge fee's, fines,taking tax monies and using them for bonuses, high-priced living, and out-sourcing American Jobs.
And Jesus may not have admonished taking, but he SURE admonished giving! In fact, he said the poor woman who gave a penny had more favor in God's eyes than the rich person giving a thousand....cause she gave all she had, while the rich man gave a smidgen of his excess.
The poor are still giving all they have. just to live, and not even that. Being in debt is not living, it's surviving. And WHO are we in debt to? The rich!
We deserve better....we all deserve better.
And these beautiful young people KNOW it! They actually realize what Jesus was saying, while the political religios just spout words.
It truly is a revolution...a revolution of the soul.
Admonished. You keep using that word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.
"...Over-pricing, cheapening products, shoddy services, huge fee's, fines,taking tax monies and using them for bonuses, high-priced living, and out-sourcing American Jobs..." These are all byproducts of Government Intervention into the Free Market. The very hallmark of Government Run Entities, which have no real need to compete for the Consumer's dollar by offering better products at lower prices. Like everyone else in business has to. If a GRE loses money, We the People make up their loss with our tax dollars.
You're protesting the wrong group, lovemy.
Not according to my mechanic. He tells me that all businesses have a great scam going.
They deliberately make shoddy products so you will have to replace them more often. More business for them, at more cost to you.
And there is NO reason that WE should make up for a business short-fall. Reduce the dam bonuses, or CEO pay!
Wow. Your mechanic. Well. That settles it then.
Free Market Capitalism kills that kind of business model, lovemy. If Business A starts pulling that crap (Chevrolet, lets say), some smart guy opens Business B (Toyota, for instance) and sells people a better product which lasts longer. Pretty soon, B dominates the market, so C and D have to make even BETTER products if they want to compete.
Competition breeds quality, and keeps prices down.
And, if you raise the taxes on a business, that business will be forced to raise the prices of it's goods or services to the consumer. So in the end, raising taxes on Corporations only means making it harder for the poor to afford what they sell.
You REALLY should be protesting Democrat Liberal Bureaucrats, and demanding lower taxes.
Obama gave me a tax break...and probly you too....your GOP wants to end that, and give it to ole Russsshhhhh.
Hmmm, well my washer and dryer tell me too.
My mom had a washer and dryer for 20 years.....worked like monsters.
Funny how my 4 yr old ones are constantly breaking down, needing service, CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP...except for the cost, of course.
Same brand, different decade. We have been in the decades of Money Uber Alles. Quality and customer service take a back seat.
Same with clothes.
coffe-makers---you name it.
Cut back on service...cut back on quality....up the price. That's America circa Ronnie Reagan and forward.
But no more. That attitude is getting a spanking.
OBAMA gave you a tax break???
Obama has SPENT more money than all the previous presidents, combined. On crap that was nothing more than lining the pockets of his cronies and donors. Our Great Grand Children will be paying for his largess.
As proof, let me ask you, LovemyChris: Are you, and your family and friends, better off today than you were 4 years ago? More money in the credit union? Larger paychecks? Lower bills to pay for food and energy?
You're protesting on the wrong side!
Bulloney on Obama's spending. He put YOUR guys debts on the books, that's what did it.
And yes I am better off...they now include dental work in my low-income insurance.
They now take $400.000 off my income before they start taxing...and anyone else who earns less than $250,000. You may say it's symbolic, but it's symbolic that works!
Most important...people are beginning to see through the LIES and the destruction of GOP rule, and that makes me happier than winning the lottery.
What, pray tell is the right side?
I don't see any protesters on the so-called "right" side.
Who are they and where/when are their protests?
I'd really like to see what the other side of 99% looks like.
The operative word in your scree is "TAKE" lovemy. Jesus never advocated thievery, stealing or "taking" from anyone, for any purpose. In fact, there is a specific Commandment against it.
I'm not big on the bible, but didn't he also throw a whole bunch of money lenders out? Still, no comparison with OWC, eh?
Not "lenders" Hollie. Jesus chucked what amounted to Sacrificial Animal Hawkers, who set up shop right inside the equivalent of the church lobby. Kinda like tossing out the drug dealers, currently making bank on the OWS crowd.
Before Jesus died on the cross for your sins, once and for all, the demand in that particular culture was for animal sacrifice, to atone for sins. Christ was pissed that the Temple was being used for a place of business, and went to town on the whole affair. Knocked over tables, kicked chairs out the door, tossed money to the ground and otherwise let the people know the Temple is a Temple, not a market.
And what purpose did you bring RELIGION into a political discussion? And, no I don't require an answer, just wanted to provoke a thought if possible.
Ok, so our idea of giving leads to dependency but the stealing of our taxes by the 1% to enrich themselves and to gain power over the masses, can in no way be tied into the word "dependency," even in the far reaches and darkened air conditioned corners of your stagnant, web and dust infested logical brain? You have the unbelievable audacity to make your statement in the face of a bankrupt economy with millions of victims suffering at the hands of these theives. You are unbelievably and incredibly brainwashed!!
No. I've said this even before he got into Office. He's not the AntiChrist. No one is. But the spirit of AntiChrist (of which the Bible foretold, and said there were many even in those days) did get him elected.
Oh please ! Idiots of entitlements seeking "More" for me , gimme a sign!
I'm ready willing and able, but so far finding it something like hunting snipe. I missed the initial rally where they decided on demands, accidentally went to a bizarre meet up with a chinaman; saw on the web site they were calling for a rally in front of the federal reserve but there was no one there, there was supposed to be a rally in front of a congressman's house. No one there, again. Went to the park where they were supposed to meet at noon; only to find that they'd changed the time to four.
Long story ending, they claim they are going to begin the occupation today at four. If they follow through, I'll see them tomorrow. I'm glad I didn't download a poster and have it printed yet. I'm not sure anymore that a resistance exists. This might be some internet hoax like The War of the World's was for radio.
I wouldn't put it past the propoganda pushers to do something like that.
I was joking about The War of the Worlds. This thing is real Brenda. It will get more organized in the smaller cities. I wouldn't fear it. The tie that binds the 99% doesn't include all of the Wall Street occupiers' demands.
If we can simply push corporations out of our country's decision making process we will all be better off. If the will of the people matches your goals, they will happen. If you don't get what you want, you can at least take comfort in the fact that the government is acting in line with what the majority wants; not what corporate interests are making them do.
Their agenda is focused on money, period. Is that not so?
I don't trust that. It's based on money, not on values.
No,you're wrong. They are trying to return to the values before money took over!
It was here when I was a kid.
What would that be?
People over profits.
Humanity over hubris.
Love of your fellow man.
Amazing video of Madrid, where several hundred thousand people showed up http://youtu.be/SjUIEAZr4Yo #ows
The crowd at #occupylondon http://yfrog.com/oc6ykpj #ows
Awesome shot Times Square, occupied http://twitpic.com/70uhou #ows
Occupy the world. HUGE crowd in Berlin. http://yfrog.com/h64hlwnj (via @nytimes) #ows #occupywallstreet
@thinkprogress: big crowd on the march at #occupypittsburgh http://yfrog.com/nuridkoj #occupywallstreet #ows
#occupywallstreet takes over Times Square http://yfrog.com/oc99alj #ows (via @RebuildDream)
Big rally for jobs at the MLK Jr. memorial in DC http://yfrog.com/khsn9mij #occupywallstreet #ows
Can't return to values before money took over. Our country doesn't believe in those values. The whole work hard and take care of your neighbor idea doesn't fly these days. Even the rich from the past were philanthropists. Carnegie built libraries all over the US. Even in tiny towns in California. Ford paid his people enough so they could buy the cars they were making. Hewlett and Packard BBQ ed for their employees gave wedding and baby presents well into the mid 1990's. Bill Gates didn't start his foundation until brow- beaten and does he even do anything in the US?
Brenda, what values are associated with the Tea Party? Zilch. Nada. When I look at their agenda, I see greed. I see selfishness. I see fear.
When I look at the core of the Occupy Together movement, I see concern for the will of the people. I see individuals tired of not having a voice in their own government. I see people wanting to retake our government from Wall Street thugs. I see values.
Went to the First Tea Party in San Francisco. Values of the Tea Party 1)less government. People are smart and can use their money better than government does. The name Tea Party was a play on words. (T)axed (E)nough (A)lready. Like the original tea party the colonists went back after they dumped the teas and cleaned up after themselves. The difference between Occupy--- and a TEA Party is you don't even know it has happened when it's over. 2)No mess, no cost to your the tax payer.
If you can't make a protest,Starve the Beast. Protest with your money,they can't live for long without it.
MM said that too--take your $$ out of big banks.
Put it in Credit Unions, or local ones.
We have Cape Cod Five, for example.
And Mechanics and Farmers Bank is another one.
Let those crooks see how it feels to be destitute for a change!
Here's a list of Occupy locations, websites and events.
Pretty widespread for a hoax!
LOVE the international solidarity, too.
This is NOT just a US problem.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/0 … etail=hide
Time for a little levity.
Saw this on Bill Maher today and thought it was a riot.
Oops. No pun intended.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di … 385x625103
FICA is a forced investment program. Would you like to see the rich pay 7.65% on all earnings and then what? Do they get the relative return when they retire on the millions they would pay in? Or should they just pay it and have capped returns when they retire?
FICA is not the same as federal income taxes.
Yes, I would like to see them pay FICA on all their money--just like the rest of us do.
And I would like them to end the loop-holes and welfare that they get too. Tax expenditures....in the billions.
And make them pay on investments the same as we do on labor.
You can only pay income tax if you have an income! Just what do you think it costs to live in this country in 2011
What would you like from low-income workers? Blood? Tell the employers to pay more, then we would have income TO tax.
So if they pay FICA on all their income then do they get the return when they retire? Meaning if you and I averaged paying in say $5,000 per year and this translates to $2,000 per month back to us when we reitre would you then pay a rich person $30,600 per month assuming they paid in $76,500 per year (7.65% of $1 million)?
"Amazing aerial shot of JUST 1 BLOCK of Times Sq! I can't count ppl. 10K? 20K? Livestream OWS says 60K. It's a lot."
Hmmmm, maybe it's the distance, but for the life of me, I can't see everybody having sex, crapping in the streets and doing drugs!
Is it....could it....is it POSSIBLE that people are LYING about OWS for a reason?
Right-Wingers lie? The ones who said tax cuts create jobs? NAAAAAHHHHHH.
Lovemy? Bush cut taxes, and Unemployment was 4% Then, in 2006, the Democrats took majorities in both Houses, and Unemployment started climbing. Cutting taxes DOES create jobs.
Because I KNOW you're psychologically incapable of believing a word a Conservative might say, allow me to quote Democrat President John F. Kennedy:
"The largest single barrier to full employment of our manpower and resources and to a higher rate of economic growth is the unrealistically heavy drag of federal income taxes on private purchasing power, initiative and incentive."
"A tax cut means higher family income and higher business profits and a balanced federal budget. Every taxpayer and his family will have more money left over after taxes for a new car, a new home, new conveniences, education and investment. Every businessman can keep a higher percentage of his profits in his cash register or put it to work expanding or improving his business, and as the national income grows, the federal government will ultimately end up with more revenues."
I think Bush's low unemployment rate was more because of the bubble fueled housing market.That's why "Housing Starts" are so important to our employment picture.This is also sheer stupidity because how many housing units can they build before there are excess reserves.During the late 90's and early 2000's all of the larger home purchases and all of the remodeling going on there were a ton of construction workers employed along with all of the related services. All of this was fueled by the housing bubble.Homes were miraculously all of a sudden worth more because they were giving squirrels,dogs,cats and homeless people home loans. Remember all of those Refinance commercials and people bidding up the price of a home? Phantom equity along with someone on every street corner willing to lend you cash. Trickle down doesn't work and "It's not a lie if you believe it" George Costanza
Well, it's growing, people are finally waking up
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/15/2 … miami.html
“The cops were very cooperative,” Christopher Morello, 17, said, “and we’re cooperative too. We’re following the law. We’re not doing anything here to rebel or cause harm.”
Oh right! The kid probly just put his clothes back on from the naked orgie and bong-share!
You don't fool us kid! You are there to have sex and do drugs. After all, that's all he's good for...eh crunchy?
But you know--he'll be paying your ss in a few, so I'd ixnay on the amscray if I were you
We actually had about 400 people signed up and expected maybe 500. Very surprised when about 1000 showed up. There were those that were truly pissed off and even some who became emotional. Overall it was a good day.....
It will be bigger next time!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon man... are you kidding? Sure they may have done nice things but what era gave us the robber barons? Why were unions formed? Which era crashed the stock market? Which era required the enactment of the security exchange act of 1933? What about Kennedy and bootlegging and insider trading? Why try to act like greed was invented in your lifetime? There have always been greedy rich people. It's like people who say the Republicans repealed the Glass-Steagall Act (I support the reinstatement of this by the way) and conveniently ignore the fact that Clinton signed it and Robert Rubin vigorously pushed for that signature.
I know! Like tea-party blaming Obama for TARP, when it was Bush/Paulson!
Yes... the BA started the bailouts. The federal government has been infiltrated by the geniuses of Wall Street: Rubin, Summers, Paulson, Geithner.... they are all the same.... Bush and Obama are just lapdogs.
It is true: To big to fail means too big. Where are the anti-trust rules? Where are the auditors?
Are you saying that human nature is basically greedy and selfish. That seems to cross socioeconomic lines. I completely agree with you there.
For the first time in my life the old political arguments seem so out of date, out of touch. It's a great feeling.
We are ALL the 99% - left, right or don't know. It is such a simple thing.
We are ALL being ripped off, lied to, cheated and misled.
That's it - easy to understand.
I am doing my bit in one or two ways, my protest days are largely behind me - but OWS has my 100% support.
A new politics, an American Spring, a Global Spring.
Way To Go......The government has to once and for all work for the little people instead of for big corporations and banks. The little guys put them in office and it's about time that they remember that!!!.......
BTW: I am a Republican, I am employed with a great salary & stability, but that will not stop me from supporting what is right!!!!!!!
These people were the ones left out, (OWS) the corporations got bailed out, car companies, banks and insurance companies. Our government basically put the money presses into overdrive. Then put the spin doctors to work. The spin doctors portrayed this money, these billions spent as a way to help the common man,the poor, the displaced, the 99%. Like the wars we fight, that we spend trillions on. the never ending wars, another is in the works,Iran. The wars we die while fighting to preserve peace. After all these wars, have we ever achieved peace? That is because it is a lie!
These people woke up...and if they s*** in the park...well maybe its better than getting s*** on.
More power to them!
It seems that Conservatism has become synonymous with greed. The term free market has almost become a religion by those who preach against "Big Government." But has the mantra of small government in reality become a code word for big business? I believe there are powerful "corporatists" who have taken over our government and use arguments against socialism as a red herring while stealthily ensuring minimal regulation of Wall Street.
Interestingly, it appears Democrats have also been complicit in the deregulation of Wall Street. The collapse of our economy has been predominantly laid at the feet of the Bush Administration. There has been much analysis and discussion about sub-prime mortgages, financial derivatives and other esoteric financial instruments. I've spent some time researching these things but like most Americans, I find they are difficult to understand.
If you read enough, though, you find one thing that occurred back in the 90's that may have been the root of our economic problems today: the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act ("GSA"). Simply put, the GSA, enacted back in 1933, ensured the separation of commercial banking, insurance and securities investment. In short, it was a law in response to the collapse of the stock market and was intended to maintain the solvency of our banking industry.
But in 1999, this separation of banking and securities investment (or brokerage) was eliminated by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which allowed commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms and insurance companies to consolidate (per Wikipedia). Many Democrats have blamed Republicans for this as Phil Gramm, (a former Republican Senator from Texas and a staunch conservative) whose name is on the bill, was seen as a primary driver of this legislation. But the bill was signed by Bill Clinton, whose Secretary of Treasury was Robert Rubin, who spent 26 years at Goldman-Sachs prior to his tenure with the Clinton Administration and 8 years at Citigroup after he left the government. During his time as Treasury Secretary, Rubin strongly opposed the regulation of derivatives.
We all know the government (you and I) provided bailout money (TARP for instance) to some of the biggest names on Wall Street including the two I mentioned above (Goldman-Sachs and Citigroup). As a point of interest with respect to deregulation and the bailouts, note the names of the following men who have held high-level positions in our government: Robert Rubin (Clinton Administration, Sachs and Citigroup), Lawrence Summers (Clinton and Obama Administrations, The World Bank and high-level ties to Wall Street), Henry Paulson (Bush Administration and Goldman Sachs) and Timothy Geithner (worked under Rubin and Summers in the Clinton Administration, current Secretary of Treasury for Obama and former President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York). In other words, Wall Street had its men firmly in place for almost two decades regardless of which political party resided in the White House.
So what's this all about? It looks to me that the big money interests in our country are all about privatizing profits and socializing losses (meaning you and I pay). Corporate America has managed to impose its will on the government by minimizing regulation and ensuring bailouts due to the philosophy of "too big to fail." And in light of all this, I believe we are witnessing hypocrisy on the part of both parties. The Republicans (Conservatives) are preaching small government while simultaneously supporting a massive defense budget and earmarks, while the Democrats act like they are Socialists, yet they are stealthily supporting the takeover of our government by Wall Street.
My primary focus on all of this is the Conservative message because I've always been a Conservative. We hear how freedom is won and preserved by a strong military. We also hear how the economy should be minimally regulated by the government. In my view, freedom as individuals is protected not just by the military, but by vigorous enforcement of our laws by the government. Yet, Conservatives only want a strong military. There is no interest in a strong SEC, which in my view, is to the economy what our military is to freedom in the world. Why would a true, philosophically grounded Conservative not want a strong SEC? It makes no sense. Not only do Conservatives appear uninterested in strong regulation (by funding the SEC to relative levels of the military), but in fact, wish to neuter our laws by repealing prudent laws (Glass-Steagall) and obstructing regulation of complex financial derivatives. In my view, there is only one reason for this: greed.
I believe we need a strong defense. But our military is a gold-plated Cadillac with no internal braking mechanism for cost savings. Our military is the greatest machine in the history of the world, but it is extremely costly. They are chemotherapy. They kill and destroy and deter nation-states from attacking us. But how afraid are you of this actually happening? I don't consider 9/11 to be a true attack by another country. Certainly not enough to justify the amount of money spent on weaponry that are not effective against guerilla tactics and zealotry.
I am much more afraid of my small nest-egg being destroyed than I am about being killed by our enemies, yet there appears to be no real deterrent in place for that. We all watched helplessly as our 401k's took a hit in the 90's and in the past two years. But do we have a "military" guarding our livelihood? Do we have a "military" guarding our financial freedom? No....
What needs to be controlled is criminal activity; but even more, we need to regulate and criminalize some of the behavior that is taking place under the guise of deregulation. Promoting competition means vigorous enforcement of anti-trust laws because the spirit of competition does not exist in the business world. Controlling the market is where the trend lies. The government must ensure too much power is not vested in a single entity. In my opinion, Conservatives who try to convince you that a free market needs very little in the way of rules or enforcement are not true Conservatives.
We need to stop being so passive and reactive and in turn, vigorously demand that our elected officials carve out a significant portion of our federal budget and earmark it for the enactment and enforcement of tough financial laws. Adam Smith wrote about the "invisible hand" of the free market. The problem with the invisible hand is that it's too Machiavellian to wait out the market adjustments. It hurts too many people. Thus, we have bailouts. Another hand, so to speak. Guess where that hand comes from? The government (you and I again). So, if the government is expected to bail out the economy, then it's only fair that the government regulate the market and vigorously enforce the rules. Then and only then can we have a true market where merit and not unfair advantage receives the fruit of our labor.
I don't expect anyone to bail me out for my mistakes. But, I don't want to see someone bailed out who caused my life savings to be cut in half. It makes no sense except possibly one thing: we are being led by corrupt individuals who interchangeably wear the hats of Liberal or Conservative.
"Meet the new boss; same as the old boss..."
The above should be a hub in it's own right. I mean it.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Unless they are among the 1% ruling monied class protecting their own self-interests, how could anyone argue to maintain the status quo?
Ok, I read the above post, some of it I agreed with and some of it I disagree with. But, to go through point by point is too lengthy for a thread, better a hub. IMHO, The democrats, I'm thinking Bill Clinton specifically, did he really have a choice re: Stegall-Glass, or did they have him by the short and curlys regarding MLewinski, lies etc. Was that the trade off, and was it really what Clinton wanted. I don't think so. Me thinks puppeteers at work. See, only got so far. First paragraph I agree with completely. The rest interesting but better in a hub.
Thanks Hollie... it's right here:
http://thesuburbanpoet.hubpages.com/hub … ee-Markets
Ya think Glass-Steagal had something to do with it? Just a little, maybe?
Cornell West arrested at the Supreme Court building. http://twitpic.com/71fem0
"Last night outside Washington Sq Park, there was a huge "NYPD, disobey your orders" chant while arrests were happening. It was amazing. #OWS"
ahhhhh, trying to use mind-control on em!
If the UK is anything to go by LMC, it may well work. Don't get me wrong, the met can still be brutal, but, they are paying for the stench left behind by Murdoch and his filthy money. Their jobs are also under threat by our almost (really) neo-con govt. Their loyalties have become divided. By the way, the arrest are disgusting, the last couple of years we've had plenty of that. Actually though, it makes people more determined.
I saw an article....can't remember where!! May have BEEN the UK...police were taking off their uniforms, putting on street clothes, and joining the protesters.
Usually when they do this here they're acting as agent provocateurs. But maybe. A couple of years ago at a demo, they pushed a newspaper vendor onto the floor, he wasn't an activist, just a man on his way home from work. He died as a result of his injuries and it was all captured on film. I do think though, they have become a little less brutal and they are beginning to realize that they're the 99% too.
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