The Changes In The World Economy To Come

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years ago

   The speaker is the president of the IMF or "world bank."  If you watch this - he's basically telling you that the international bankers control most everything - but we already know that.
   
   Except...they DON'T control everything except by our own stupid consent.  While everyone is watching something stupid on television - decisions are being made, and everyone is so stupid from the media that they can't see the highway for the cars.
   
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl … OwZwkhFemQ

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      Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Each in our own though, Wesman, we're making a stand. OWS, OWSLSX.  Not forgetting the rest of the movements around the world.

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         Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I think that the oligarchs can use the media to convince anyone of anything.
         
         If there's one thing I know for an absolute certainty, then it's that we are all fed lies, lies, and more lies each and every single time we consume anything coming from any major publisher, broadcaster, or "news" source.
         
         People are so easily conditioned with media that it's pathetic.  I admit that the OWS gives a little hope - but ......I'm still pretty pessimistic about it all.

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            Jed Fisherposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The TEA party and OWS are starting to peel back the curtain that hides the little man claiming to be the Wizard of Oz. People are starting to realize that most people think it’s okay for grown women and men to flirt at work. Maybe most people think an old guy with a mustache should be able to enjoy a cigarette if he wants too. Perhaps many people aren’t the least bit surprised a black man did a book signing in Alabama. It may be a simple fact that the overwhelming majority would rather not live in an asexual androgynous nanny state. Maybe that is why Herman Cain is still popular.

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               Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I like your thinking!
               
               Isn't that exactly what they're pushing - androgynous bi sexual all permissive (except for the RULES of course) secular society.
               
               I hate it.

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                  CMHypnoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It's funny how 'liberal' is just another way of saying 'believe what I say you will believe or else!'
                  
                  I like a bit of variety in the world, and I think that we should cherish all the different ideas, lifestyles, quirks and way of thinking and not try and push us all into bland conformity!

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                     Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Right!
                     
                     "Liberal" has certainly changed meanings over the past decade or two!

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               DonDWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Tell me about it, we're one paranoid, stuck up, snobby, and "overeducated" society. It absolutely disgusts me! I'm almost tempted to grab a Cuban cigar, drink some red wine, and flirt on the city bus with the first pretty thing I come across. Nothing too vulgar, by all means remaining sophisticated, but a few sexual innuendos here and there wouldn't hurt. Of course, if I were to do that; the politically correct thought police would arrest me. Although one of these days I’ll cease to care; and do it anyways just to have a good laugh.

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            Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I agree, in terms of the media and the public perception of what is happening in their world. If it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny. I'm not optimistic about the near future either, but at least people are, at last, making a stand.

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               Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Yes definitely!
               
               I hope that absolutely no one will purchase anything big or "fad ish" this holiday season, and if they do - I hope it's bought from a very small non corporate "mom and pop" store.

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                  Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Where ever I can I buy non-corporate goods and those that have been locally produced. Now trying to convert my 81 year old mother is another matter all together. She believes most of what she sees on the TV.

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                     Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I see things all the time that weren't produced by a corporation at all.
                     
                     I see wonderful things made by individuals on the shelves os some small rural stores and shops.  I know lots of people who just make stuff, and sell those things on consignment shops - individuals.
                     
                     It's not true that everything is made by some big corporation - and does anyone really need an iphone?

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                        DonDWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Confession: I'm still (BARELY) in my 20's and have a 1999 Samsung cell phone. Throughout all this time it's never failed me; so I have found little need to replace it. It was the first (and only) cell phone I ever bought.
                        
                        Let's keep this a dirty little secret. . . because shhhh. . . I'm actually working in the tech sector right now. . .

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                           Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I've only ever owned two cell phones - and one of them I still have - but I doubt that a carrier would bother to have it turned back on for me.
                           
                           So,.....I basically also told you that I don't have one now...er... the service.
                           
                           When cell phones first became...small enough to carry around in your pocket (big pocket) - Nokia had a model that was probably better so far as durability, than any other cell phone ever produced.  I saw a guy throw one of those things against a wall in anger, it broke into about eight pieces....that just snapped back together - and problem solved!

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                        Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Where I live, just on the outskirts of a big city,all we really have is big supermarkets, chain stores or betting shops.. In our town center (which is pretty small) all the small business's folded or just ceased trading, because the local council raised the rents on the commercial properties so high they could no longer afford to trade. All those commercial properties are now occupied by the big boys. We don't even have a deli, the few small business' that remain (mostly takeaways) are struggling even more because a metro (tram) line is being built through the town center, and the traffic is horrendous whilst their digging bits of the road up. So people avoid driving through our town, which was previously a main drag to the city.
                        
                        I have an LG phone which I've had since 2003. It serves me well, when in the future I have to replace it, I'll buy a second hand one.

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                           Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           It would be damned near impossible to ever truly go "anti corporate."  It's probably harder in some places than others.
                           
                           I've got more big ideas than I have common sense, probably, but I'm forever trying to work out just what is the right thing to do.
                           
                           I've so little money that buying things isn't much of an issue!
                           
                           I don't really know much about cell phones - but strangely enough, when I was in school the next door neighbors had a Finnish exchange student living with them, and his name was Toby.  His parents own Nokia.

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                              Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              You've got great ideas, it's because of the awareness that people like you have Wes, that movements such as OWS exist. Just what the big boys despise, people who ask "How can we put a stop to this absolute monopoly, total control and disgusting manipulation by the 1%" because it frightens them to death. I don't have loads of money either, but I have a roof over my head and enough food to eat. That'll do for me, money doesn't mean that much to me, neither do "Things".
                              
                              Wow, wonder what Toby things about all that's wrong with world!

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                                 Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Thanks You For The Compliments!
                                 
                                 I'd have to ask someone from my Facebook what Toby's last name is...or just Google some about Nokia.  It's possible that that corp has changed hands over time.
                                 
                                 If I recall correctly - Toby was a very nice guy, but his culture was most likely quite a lot different than ours.  I remember hearing about a stray cat that was fed and then had kittens, then all of those kittens were drowned by someone....
                                 
                                 Absolutely - I've got the roof - a little RV, and plenty of food - so long as I'm able to speak my mind.....um....so long as I'm ALIVE, I most certainly will!
                                 
                                 I don't need much - and I don't suppose that I really need a wife, but I'd sure like for some more personal female visitors and visitations to take place! Ha!

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                                    Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    Oh, I'm sure a young man like you will get plenty of visitations in time. You are alive, therefore, you can still speak....Boy you, and people like you, really piss them off.....Who drowned the kittens, we are so naive, we have not worked this out yet
                                    
                                    I'm thinking Toby, maybe have a completely different perspective on the world now, we all do.

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                                 DonDWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 Hollie Thomas, I would like nothing better than to tell myself "money doesn't matter," but I would be kidding myself if I did.
                                 
                                 If you're a "big idea" person; the sad reality is those big ideas can only become reality if you're rich. An idea unfortunately merely remains an idea unless you have the resources to carry it through.
                                 
                                 This is the source of my frustrations and the story of my life. I see opportunity all around me to make the world a better place; yet I'm often relegated to the position of spectator due to "insufficient funds." Big ideas simply cost a lot of money.
                                 
                                 I've also found the process of amassing the funds necessary to make these ideas a reality intellectually draining. Most people value stupid things that I could care less about; and this is the stuff I must do in order to appease the masses so as to generate “sufficient funds.” Most of the businesses that have low overheads are usually silly little luxury/gimmicky service enterprises that I don't even think the world needs.
                                 
                                 I so wish I could just skip this 10-20 year step program and get started on my big ideas right away. Unfortunately, big ideas can't be done alone. Either I must influence a lot of people to see beyond their little boxes of day to day life and we all work together as a group of alpha entrepreneurs or I simply dole out the cash. The first option, while in a perfect world, may actually take longer than the 20 years of stinginess. Believe me, I've wasted my youth away trying the first option, it's a waste of time. The masses are bricks. The bricks only move if you show them the money in the name of instant gratification; it's all they know.
                                 
                                 You see, not everyone wants to acquire money because they want more and more consumer goods. I would be quite content living in a tiny house with just food on the table if it meant some of my ideas I was truly passionate about became reality.

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                                    Hollie Thomasposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    I said that money doesn't mean that much to me, I didn't say that it didn't matter. There is a difference. I actually disagree that those big ideas can only become a reality if your rich. On the contrary, it is often the most excluded and deprived that make a difference. Think Egypt, were those protesters rich? I'm not suggesting that what has happened there will amount to democracy in the true sense of the word, and that there arn't more problems to come in that region. However, they did accomplish change.
                                    
                                    You state in an earlier post that you are in your twenties, I'm almost twice your age. I remember the end of apartheid in South Africa, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the smashing of the Thatcher Fascist government in the UK. With varying degrees, all of the people who effected change at this point in history had two things in common, they were dirt poor and willing to fight.
                                    
                                    You clearly believe that in order to effect change you have to have money, whilst I am of the opinion that people with money risk very little, because, you see, when it comes down to it, people with money are often unwilling to risk anything, because, they have some thing to lose.

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                        mom101posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Wes,  you may not be independently wealthy but you are financially blessed with wisdom.
                        
                        If we (the people) would get off our high horses and shake the dust out of our eyes, we would be a much happier people.
                        
                        Corporations: Yes, there are farmers who are forced to throw away food (lots of it) that is well known, but how many stop and ask why? Could the answer be TO KEEP PRICES HIGH.
                        A law, don't know if it has passed, but has been introduced, making it illegal to give or sell your friends or neighbors food grown out of your garden........  One company with near exclusive rights on SEEDS. again, anybody stop and ask why?.............another recent bill/law  making it illegal to use CASH  to buy used goods. Anybody ask why?
                        
                        Barter baby barter. Anybody wanna know why?

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                           Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Thank You Very Much For The Compliments!!!!
                           
                           Yes - absolutely - there are bills either proposed or already passed that are the most horrific violations of rights that governments can neither give nor take away - try though they might.
                           
                           Bartering eliminates all middle men or paper trails - it's the single greatest economic weapon we 99 % have.

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      ravihomeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      the international economy was entering the 20th century with the freest flow of goods, services and capital in human history. The previous century had witnessed expansion of global output and trade, and rising living standards in Europe and North America at a pace never before seen in human history.

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   Evan G Rogersposted 12 years ago

   Changes in the economy to come?
   
   Buy gold, guns and farmland.

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      DonDWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have any idea how expensive gold and farmland is? You would have to be a multi-millionaire to buy any meaningful quantities, unless you've recently inherited a bunch of farmland.

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think guns are really good investments.  I also think, however, that when the nazi takeover hits the street, that it's practically suicidal to be the guy with all the guns.

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         DonDWestposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Going off topic:
         
         Taking all things in moderation, a good “prepper” should probably have one rifle (that visibly could pass as just a hunting rifle) and a small handgun that can be easily concealed.
         
         The preppers who buy a pile of assault rifles, place them in their basement, and display their stash on YouTube are just asking to get wacked when SHTF! Either the goons will literally shell their house from a distance, or the desperate sheeple will scurry into the household and steal the guns.
         Low profile firearms stored in a good heavy safe is the way to go; and you definitely need to keep your mouth shut that you have them.
         
         While guns and bullets fit in the budget, the average Joe, even a well prepared average Joe who knew what was coming long ago; has honestly been priced out of acquiring gold and farmland a long time ago.
         
         I'm a little better off than portrayed on my Hubs; I could probably buy a decent stash of gold right now, but in order to do so I would have to "bet the farm" on one asset. That's one of the big no-no rules in prepping.

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            Wesman Todd Shawposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think being able to reload shells will be a BIG deal.  Ammo is getting harder and harder to come by, I hear.

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