Obama vs. Farmers

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  1. habee profile image93
    habeeposted 10 years ago

    Whatcha think? I see some of the points, but some are just more Big Brother. Many kids in the South grow up working in tobacco, feeding livestock, and driving tractors. Now they won't be able to??

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/proposed … d=15434046

    1. cloverleaffarm profile image73
      cloverleaffarmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      All the articles I have read online about this, are very misleading.

      I saw this yesterday, and being that I live on a farm, was outraged. Then, I looked into it more.
      Many of the same laws are already on the books.
      The Mom & Pop small family farms do not apply. The FSLA (Fair Safe Labor Act) does not apply to small family farm. It even states that in the press release dated last August.
      The major issue is that the law is written so vaguely, that even lawyers are having a hard time interpenetrating it. In cases where the small family farm is an LLC or INC, the law is vague enough, that your child working for you is still unclear. Many laws are written this way on purpose.   
      Farm chores have been a way of life for many kids, for hundreds of years.

      1. habee profile image93
        habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        As I said, the law would not include kids' working on their parents' farms. I agree that much of the law is vague and too open to interpretation. Why do laws have to be written in "legalese"?

        1. cloverleaffarm profile image73
          cloverleaffarmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          So the government can pick and choose which farms to attack, and while their lawyers are up to their ears in paperwork, the farm suffers...
          Truly, I don't know. But I do have to wonder if the "Big Agri-business" like the Monsanto farms have something to do with it all. After all, if they can bully small farmers into going over to the "other side", then they are bigger than they are now.
          I've always wondered if a Monsanto exec would want to be sprayed with Round-Up?

          1. habee profile image93
            habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I've wondered the same thing about the corporate farms' influence on this.

            1. cloverleaffarm profile image73
              cloverleaffarmposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              Have you ever seen the movies about Monsanto. Many of the corporate farms are owned by them...in one way or another. Basically, Monsanto has them by the "rocks".
              The name of the movie is for some reason escaping my brain at the moment.

  2. tobey100 profile image60
    tobey100posted 10 years ago

    Speaking as the owner of livestock and a grower of crops its just one more example of Obama's opinion that the government can do better than I can.  They've already got their noses so far into my business I have to walk funny!

  3. Teddletonmr profile image65
    Teddletonmrposted 10 years ago

    I wonder if there are more kids hurt while helping on the farm, or dealing with gang activity and other hazards in the inter city.
    I remember when my brothers and I helped on the farm chopping weeds out of soybeans, and corn in the early summer. We also helped picking up hay and straw bales from the field and put it into the barn. Driving the farmer’s old pick-up pulling a wagon full of hay bales taught us more about safe driving than our driver’s education class.
    There was one summer we helped neighbor with his dark Tabaco crop by suckering, cutting, spiking, and putting it into the barn.
    We looked forward to helping our neighbor each summer, shoot that was the only thing we had to do to make a little pocket money. Actually, we made enough money to buy new camping and fishing gear, a new baseball glove and a Crossman BB gun.
    The only injury we ever suffered was sunburn and a few blisters on our hands from a good days work. Oh, by the way after fooling with a few Tabaco crops, we swore we would never use the stuff, and to this day, we do not.
    Shoot, our farmer friends taught us more about being safe around farm equipment and tools, than anything. They simply did not want to see us get hurt. Now with Mr. Obama’s big government machine destroying another opportunity for employment. Summer and part-time jobs for kids will be lost. Which means additional young people will be unemployed and not even counted as hard working young Americans that do not have a job… 
    God bless America smile

  4. habee profile image93
    habeeposted 10 years ago

    Yeah, doing farm chores is a way of life for many folks in rural America. My kids did chores when they were little - fed pigs, fed horses, bottle fed calves, picked veggies, picked up pecans, etc. I think most of that is still allowed if the parents own the farm, but if the kids/teenagers want to earn money by working on a friend's or family's farm, there are lots of things they won't be able to do under this proposal.

    1. Teddletonmr profile image65
      Teddletonmrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I heard someone talking about it on fox this afternoon. They said something about if a kid's folks did not own and live on the farm. the kids could not use any of the farm equipment.
      Furthermore this will hurt the FFA in ways that just might put an end to the way the club operates.
      sad life on the family farm is under attack...

  5. profile image0
    idratherbeposted 10 years ago

    I read the examples from your link and I agree totally with the bill. Most farmers are responsible, but how many kids will fall victim to a person who don't care. The items listed I agree 100% shouldn't be done by children. This bill does just that. Just recently a young boy was driving a tractor and was killed by a driver. Could that have happened to an adult? Sure, but an adult, with more experience might have avoided the situation by driving on the shoulder of the road, instead of on the back road highway.

    1. profile image62
      logic,commonsenseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Do you have any clue about how valuable it is to grow up on a farm?
      You learn to care for animals and the land.  You get a perspective on death and get to marvel at the moments of birth.  You work hard and obtain a great deal of satisfaction of accomplishing the task of feeding the world.

      Then along comes some yahoo that thinks you are too stupid to raise your own children and they know better than you.  Common sense and respect has been left on the farm when the population moved to the city.  For obama and his ilk, stay the hell out of our business!  We don't tell you how to raise your children, don't be telling others how to raise theirs.

    2. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I totally agree with the bill.    This bill protects our children.

  6. Dr Billy Kidd profile image95
    Dr Billy Kiddposted 10 years ago

    I worked on a farm as a child. This would not have stopped anything I did or any other kid in Arkansas did. Folks knew better than to let kids on the tractors--they're like a quarter-million dollar piece of equipment. And the silos--great place for a kid to die. I know Fox will say this is craddle-to-grave socialism, but they say that about everything. So, I'm not concerned and am glad you posted this so I was aware of it.

  7. habee profile image93
    habeeposted 10 years ago

    I agree with the silos part -they're dangerous for adults. I have mixed feelings on power eqipment. One article I read said that even battery-operated screwdrivers would be included. But working in a feedlot or auction banned? Does that mean that kids can't lead their steer or heifer into the auction ring? Does it mean that they can't feed animals in a feedlot? I worked in tobacco plenty when I was "under age," per the new proposal.

    1. Will Apse profile image88
      Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I worked on a pig farm as a teenager in the UK. Now, that was a dangerous job. A gang of pigs will crush you to reach food or out of sheer forgetfulness. If they bite you are in serious trouble

      Trying to make the world safe for idiots doesn't appeal to me but minimizing the risks of working with farm animals is unwise.

      1. habee profile image93
        habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        The way our pig feedlot was arranged, we didn't have to go into the lot in order to feed the animals. We had a chute.

        1. Will Apse profile image88
          Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          If you are operating a factory farm do you really need child labor?

          1. habee profile image93
            habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            We didn't have a "factory farm." Our cattle were free range, and our pigs were for the most part. They were only in the feedlot to finish. It was a family farm, run by two sons, their wives, their kids, and a handful of employees.

  8. carol3san profile image61
    carol3sanposted 10 years ago

    I lived on a very small farm when I was a young child, until I was 11 years old.  We moved off the land because my grandfather sold the property.  We raised live-stock; chickens and pigs. We also had fruit trees; orange, grapefruit, and avercado trees plus a few vegetables. The fruits and vegetables were mostly for us. Perhaps my parents were out of the loop at the time, but they never once demanded that we (kids) help out around the farm.  Thinking back, I have fond memories of the farm.  We even had a pet goat and a pet pig.

  9. cloverleaffarm profile image73
    cloverleaffarmposted 10 years ago

    I think the government should stay out of our business. Period! Children have been working their family farms for generations.

  10. Randy Godwin profile image61
    Randy Godwinposted 10 years ago

    I suppose one has to actually realize the danger of farming and it's associated risks before weighing in with actual knowledge on the subject.  Having suffered many injuries in my lifetime working the family farm, and being involved in some accidents which could have easily taken my life, I can say it is still avery dangerous occupation.

    Years ago a teenage boy was working inside a corn silo in the closest small town to where I live, raking shelled corn into the hole where the auger would move it into a boxcar.  Someone had removed the safety grate over the auger hole before corn was last stored inside the silo.  The teenager stepped into the hole accidentally and his legs were pulled off by the extremely powerful auger--a giant drill inside a tube.

    When the electrical power suddenly went out, the owner rushed into the silo to find the poor kid halfway in the auger pit with his intestines torn out and fully aware he was going to die.  He was naturally in agony, crying and begging for help.  A preacher was summoned and talked to the poor kid, trying to make his last few moments of life seem somehow understandable.  He died shortly afterwards.

    Although the owner did not remove the auger grate he was, needless to say, distraught about the horrible accident.  A few years later he committed suicide.  I'm not sure it was because of this incident, but it surely did affect this nice man who was the father of a close friend.  Something which I still can't get out of my mind to this day.     

    I suppose it takes such a horrible accident for some to understand just how dangerous working around farm machinery and equipment really is.  You'd better realize the true danger of this before weighing in on something which may cause injury or death to our young people.  Just sayin'!


    1. habee profile image93
      habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I already said I agree with grain bins and some other types of dangerous equipment. The law also prohibits kids' working in tobacco, which I know you did, as did I - cropping, stringing, topping and suckering, hanging, etc. For me, the law is too vague. It seems that no one is really sure what's covered and what's not. For example, what does "transporting raw products" mean? Does that mean kids can't pick vegetables and carry them from the garden? Does the part about kids not being able to work at livestock auctions mean they can't lead their animal into the ring? With so much open to interpretation, the devil will be in the enforcers. Small farms might be targeted, while corporate farms get a pass. Just sayin'...

      1. Randy Godwin profile image61
        Randy Godwinposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Yes I agree, Holle.  But today's farms are not like those we grew up on.  The mere quantity of dangerous chemicals used on all crops today require very close scrutiny of their use to ensure workers not be exposed to some very bad insecticides, pesticides, insecticides, fertilizers, and many many other chemicals most never consider being used on our foods.

        The equipment is also more dangerous than ever as it can grind up massive amounts of crop debris in a matter of seconds.  No place for children anymore. It's a wonder I haven't been severely injured merely working with cattle as some others have been.  Danger is a daily thing on a farm and complacency is a sure fire accident waiting to happen.  It ain't our grandpa's old family farm anymore.smile


        1. habee profile image93
          habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          Our herefords were very gentle, and even the kids could help move them on foot. I prefered doing it from the back of a horse. lol. After we left, they added Brafords, and they were ornery! You might remember that a horned Braford ripped open the belly of one of the best horses I've ever owned when she was cutting cows one day. I wouldn't have wanted my kids around those critters!

  11. Will Apse profile image88
    Will Apseposted 10 years ago

    What is missing from this debate are reliable figures for the number of children gored, trampled, crushed, bitten, mangled, run over, suffocated, drowned, poisoned by pesticides or otherwise injured.

    Here is one report: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c … /567.short

    A couple of quotes:

    "Agriculture is the second most dangerous occupation in the United States, and unlike other occupations, children make up a significant portion of the work force.

    Nearly 300 children and adolescents die each year from farm injuries, and 23,500 suffer nonfatal trauma."

    I said I don't especially like the drive to make the world safe for idiots (we are not all idiots and don't all need cossetting) but perhaps children should be exempt.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image61
      Randy Godwinposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Or info from those who have actually had experience working with dangerous equipment and machinery used on farms and/or farm related jobs.  Picking tomatoes or feeding a few chickens and cows is not the same as operating or being around dangerous equipment. 

      I had an extremely dangerous piece of farm equipment flip over on top of the tractor I was driving while movin to another field miles away.  I was trapped beneath the ripper bedder while the tank of anhydrous ammonia was venting right above my head because the valve broke off when it slammed into my back. 

      I had no choice but to release the clutch and hope the tractor pulled away from the bedder without tearing me apart.  Anyone who has ever got a whiff of ammonia can understand the danger I was facing at the time.  Luckily, the tractor broke free and I survived with bruises and cuts which covered my entire back.

      I had just replaced my dad as the driver of the tractor and I know he would have never been quick enough to duck under the steering wheel when he heard the click of the lift arms when they broke.  Huge spikes penetrated the large tires but missed me by inches. 

      I suppose I was lucky, if indeed luck played a part in it.  My dad was killed when he fell off of a tractor a half dozen years ago.  I'm glad I was able to give him a few decades more of life by trading places with him that day.  A few weeks later a young man was killed under the same circumstances.

      Farming used to be the most dangerous occupation in the US.  Now I think working on a fishing boat far out to seas has replaced it as there really aren't many farmers anymore.

      Many farm accidents are never reported unless they are very serious or death occurs as a result.  I know this from my own personal experience.


      1. Will Apse profile image88
        Will Apseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        I can't say we always see eye to eye, Randy, but I was sorry to hear about your father.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image61
          Randy Godwinposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          No problem Will.  But I doubt you've spent much time on a farm as most haven't.  But we can agree on the danger to kids if they aren't aware of the risks involved.  Thanks for the thoughts concerning my dad.  He died happy at 85 years of age, doing what he loved most of all.   

          He died very quickly and when we found him he had a peaceful smile on his face.  We always knew we would find him dead on the farm one day because he would not quit doing what he loved.  No regrets for him.  I hope to go with the same sense of satisfaction he had. smile


          1. habee profile image93
            habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Your dad was a great guy. He used to always come over to speak whenever he saw us fishing in the pasture pond. Did he ever get angry? He was always smiling when I saw him.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image61
              Randy Godwinposted 10 years agoin reply to this

              Only when he had to beat my asp for doing something stupid.  No, he was one of the happiest men I've ever known.  After Omaha Beach, the battle of the Bulge, and liberating victims from the Nazi death camps, everything else was a piece of cake.  He had already seen the worst the world had to offer, so any problems he faced afterwards paled in comparison.  He was a great man and folks still tell me so.  smile


              1. habee profile image93
                habeeposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                I suppose that's true. He had a perspective on life that few ever experience.


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