What are the reasons for keeping same sex marriage different to that of opposite

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   belleartposted 9 years ago

   What are the reasons for keeping same sex marriage different to that of opposite sex?
   
   With the marriage equality referendum looming in Ireland I am seeing a lot of Vote No posters that claim children should not be brought up in same sex marriages and that opposite sex marriage is more special than that of same sex, but what are peoples individual, personal views on why gay and Lesbian couples should not marry?
   
   

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   Stargrrlposted 9 years ago

   God created marriage to be between a man and a woman.   If gays can get married in the courthouse, how long until they are able to get married in a church?  The whole institution of marriage will change if the SCOTUS rules in favor of it.  It will RUIN everything.  Call me intolerant if you want.
   
   And the rainbow was the symbol of God's promise to mankind that He would never flood the world with water again...gays kind of highjacked that symbol....

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      Aime Fposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      A rainbow is symbolic in a lot of cultures/beliefs, it's most definitely not exclusive to Christianity. Which sort of sums up the whole thing perfectly; Christians thinking everyone should live their lives according to Christians.

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      feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Stargrrl, I fully agree with every word you wrote. You are truly a voice of reason.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      How exactly will it ruin everything? U need to provide detail. Can you also provide the verse/s where God creates marriage (A+E weren't married), particularly where it says it was before similar/same Pagan ceremonies. I'm genuinely curious

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      belleartposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for the comments.  I am however, finding it hard to understand this point view.  I would like to know how it will ruin marriage?  What the difference between a same sex couple and an opposite sex one?

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      Stargrrlposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I am finding it hard to understand your point of view.  People of the same sex should not be together in that way.  A child having two mommies or two daddies?  A child needs a mommy and a daddy.  Same sex marriage will change things.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Star - and single parents should then not have children? Do you have proof that SS couples raising children are worse? I have studies reviewed in a hub here that state otherwise but I'd like to know what is different in yr opinion.

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      belleartposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      as it stands children can already be adopted by either gay or straight parents, married or otherwise in ireland, so to me thats not even an issue. regardless of this vote, ss couples will be able to adopt. its not going to be affected if they marry

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   Nicole Grizzleposted 9 years ago

   I'm not sure? The only negative opinions come from those who believe it's offensive to their religious doctrine, stating that it is immoral and such. I don't understand it (it's not my place to understand it either), but I feel there isn't any harm in allowing gay marriage. At the end of the day, they are just people, in love. How much harm can two people in love do?

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      feenixposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Some people just think it's disgusting, PERIOD! And their religious beliefs do not have anything to do with it. Also, and more than likely, a sizable number of atheists and agnostics are opposed to same-sex marriage.

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Feenix - please provide details with your statement of fact - I'm sure that not all Agnostic/Atheists agree with SS marriage, just as not all Christians are against it - but you make a statement of fact with no proof.

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      belleartposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe I should have added that outside of religion why should they not marry.  As is with the referendum if they win they will be able to marry but not under any religious institution, so why the big deal? Maybe I just dont get it

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   belleartposted 9 years ago

   I suppose, taking this question away from the religious attitude would help me a lot, since same sex couples will not be getting married in churches if they win so apart from religious beliefs....what are your thoughts on gay marriage? Are there any if religion is taken out of the equation? Genuinely interested in answers ....

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   Ausseyeposted 9 years ago

   Marriage is the union of two people with an intent to love and honor each other, so that is possibly the only real critical factor. Both types of unions have that significant aim so it should be recognized by an external icon, if that be an official marrige so be it. It is only the trunk nature of those two hearts that can determine if it's an abomination or a adorable unity. We live in a world full of life and each soul has an equal right to their lifestyle. As an atheist I am full of respect foe each and every individual's right to choose their own path. There I'd no right or wrong in this choice, only what happens after and the ethics of each individual. If only all marriages were happy for ever after, alas this be a dream for the future.

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   jlparkposted 9 years ago

   Most of the reasoning I've come across, if you take religion out of it, consists of either 'it's yucky, I don't like it, so therefore it shouldn't be' or 'think of the children!!! They need a mommy and a daddy' or 'but it would take away something from my marriage, make it lesser by including a lesser type of couple in the marriage laws'
   
   These are fine reasons for those who hold them, but not strong enough to deny rights to an entire group of people.
   
   It's yucky etc - just because you don't like it doesn't give it enough backing to deny others the right. I don't like coffee but I'm not going to stop anyone drinking it.
   
   Think of the children - studies have shown children of Same Sex (SS) parents fare just as well if not better than those raised by heterosexual parents. I've reviewed these studies in a hub here. Also SS parents do not exist in a single gender vacuum - they have siblings, family members, friends etc of all genders who are involved in their child/rens lives.
   
   Not one child in a SS relationship is a mistake or an accident - they are usually planned for many years before taking the steps to conceive or adopt. Also I've never heard of a SS couple who've kicked their child out for being straight, but plenty of heterosexual parents kick out their gay children. And have 'accidental' pregnancies.
   
   What abt solo parents? If a child needs both genders, what abt those who raise on their own? I personally think they're amazing doing the work of two, but those who use the '2gender parents' rule seem to forget these parents.
   
   Lesser Marriage - how does two people wanting to make a life long commitment to each other LESSEN the institution of marriage? Moreover, how does anyone else's marriage affect yrs? If it does, something is wrong in yrs not theirs.
   
   (BTW - 'you' is anyone not the poster of the question)
   
   As a gay married woman, with a much loved, well provided for, and certainly wanted daughter (who has numerous strong male and female influences in her family if you were worried) I guess you could call me biased. But then again, I'm not voting on your rights am I? Nothing is being denied to straight people - the same rights you have are merely being extended to others. Call me biased if you will but I've not seen a decent reason yet as to why it should be denied.
   
   That being said - I do not take away your right to an opinion, nor do I take away yr right to voice that, hold fiercely to it, and vote with it. You can do what you like, think what you like. Just wanted to counter some of the more common reasons - what you do with it, is over to you

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      belleartposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      you've basically summed up the entire vote no argument and the reasons I feel a yes vote is imperative.  thanks for your thoughtful comment

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      jlparkposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Awwww...thanks for the best answer! Congrats to Ireland for the resounding vote on the side of equality!

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   tamarawilhiteposted 9 years ago

   Dozens of cases in which homosexual activists have legally bludgeoned believers
   
   Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/courts-concl … 8UxIF9l.99

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      belleartposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your comments, As it stands gay marriage has won by a landslide, thanks to all the supporters and people who traveled home just to vote.  Delighted to be Irish right now, so happy that we have got the ball rolling for others to follow!

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 9 years ago

   Basically is that marriage was changed to include something different. Marriage is not and never really worked based on LOVE, and that is why the divorce rate is so high.
   
   First, the government, especially the federal gov has no business getting involved in marriage. The laws of contract would serve a better purpose than marriage as far as taking care of the parties, and their children. The Marriage Contract is really not a real contract, as their are no specific details for the party. The state makes presumptions on these details, and that is why divorce is so unfair. Whereas, if there was a legal partnership with a formal contract the government would only adjudicate the contract as written.
   
   To put same sex in traditional marriage, the attributes of the parties had to be significantly changed. It is like taking a steak and making a stew. Marriage was never intended to be a stew.
   
   Same sex cannot consummate the traditional marriage, and the L and the G are different. The B and the T are not even same sex, they are an anomaly in the same sex theory.
   
   Maybe it is me, as I grew up in Manhattan, and to me there is only the original pizza that is real pizza. Once they started to add chicken, pineapple, and anything else, they just became food items, and to me they were no longer pizza.

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