What do you think of Disney possibly making Elsa from Frozen a lesbian?
#giveelsaagirlfriend Should Disney do this? Thoughts?
Absolutely abominable. They shouldn't be injecting modern day politics into classic fairy tales.
It is like the ret-conning of classic superheroes as a different race or sexuality. The fans of the classic hate it, the social justice warriors who demanded it don't really consume the product.
If Disney does this, they'll kill the franchise.
I guess you missed the Wandering Oaken shot in Frozen of his family, and male partner? Hasnt affected the franchise at all. (That being said, I don't think Elsa needs a girl friend)
I didn't notice the male couples. Doubtful that many did either. Couldn't they have just been friends?
He says 'Hi Family!' - and waves 2 the group in the sauna. The ONLY adult in the sauna is male. However, I'm gay,+ I didnt see it until about the 6th or 8th time we watched it (I have a 2yr old daughter fascinated with Frozen) it's very quick, quiet.
I don't think she needs a girlfriend - she's a strong, independent, character. And the second movie is a bit late to suddenly add it in. So, I'm not really on board with this.
However, I do feel that there needs to be at least a couple of main characters that aren't 'Mainstream white, straight and cisgendered' in the movies out there - and yes, the Disney ones too. Why? Because kids are growing up aware they are different to some of their friends and that they aren't represented AT ALL in the movies they and their friends watch.
It was like this growing up for people like myself - Disney was all white princesses finding a prince....what if you're a non white person? Are you not a princess? What about if you didn't want a prince but a princess? (Or a prince instead of a princess). Many gay adults have commented that they felt left out, ostracised by films when they were young....when they knew they were different, but couldn't quite put a finger on why...but no one was representing them in the popular media, so it was as though they were alone in the world in feeling this way.
Now, I know you, Loli, personally feel it's a choice to be gay. And I as a gay person can catagorically say it's not - if we put that all aside - these are kids who are feeling alone, ostracised by Disney, Pixar and their friends because they know they are different - even if they don't have the words for what it is that makes them that way - these are kids we lose to suicide, and self harm because they feel that no one understands what's it's like to be them....
We need to represent them in these movies. Not all of them, I'd never ask for that. It would just be kind to have a couple of main characters every few years be slightly different to the straight, white princesses we have forced on us. There are a few in the current movies at the minute as small characters - Wandering Oaken in Frozen has a family and a male partner (check the sauna shot), and Findingn Dory apparently had a lesbian couple with a baby as a small part - so we're getting there.
(Before you try the 'but it'll make them gay..' - it doesn't work like that, and we adult gay people are surrounded by straight people growing up - didn't make us straight)
Also - I've avoided answering yr questions in the past, because of the way the comments end up. I'm answering this with respect and honesty, and putting aside any disagreement we may have had. I hope others can do the same.
Yeah, I can see your point. But I don't think 4 year olds are watching Frozen and thinking about sexual stuff. They probably just like the story, the characters, and the songs.
Exactly, Frozen's following is getting older Though. When they look back, they can see themselves being represented. I look back + we Weren't. I don't want that 4 my daughter should she b gay, or any other kid aware they're diff. Thanks tho.
It can be done easily. It just has to be told in a way that adults and children get it and it is not suggestive in a way that is coercing young people, but merely recognising the bigger wider diaspora of LGBTQ people, and provided it is non judgmentally broadminded in scope.
The biggest fear that leaves so many lesbian characters remain omitted from books, films and children's stories is lack of understanding, fear of the unknown and fear of causing offense. Political correctness can stultify and ruin good stories over the long term if people of certain backgrounds and orientations are constantly excluded from mainstream stories. It will make readers and consumers seek that kind of story elsewhere.
Also there might be far more meaningful, honest and more amazing stories out there waiting to be discovered if we only explored - albeit gently - the wider genres of lesbian stories and fold them purposefully and honestly into the larger morass of stories that might be in danger of becoming too constricted and narrow-minded.
Commercial interests might yet pay a part as well, as some brands identify better with gay or lesbian characters / settings and genres, and they may feel under represented in the wider field. With falling viewerships of TV shows and news, declining book sales, less read published print magazines and papers - something has to give and the whole area of how we consume stories and entertainment has to undergo a change. We can either recognise that or ignore it at our peril.
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