What if everything was in reverse? and stop saying we have a choice

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   Rainbowloveposted 14 years ago

   Have you ever thought about how funny and ironic it would be if Straight people were fighting for marriage instead of gay people?
   I wonder how hurt they would be to find out that they wouldn't be able to marry there loved one because someone else who doesn't know anything about them decided that they didn't want them to marry that person.
   
   In my personal opinion I find that these people who have decided that marriage is only for them and not for others remind me of a parent who is closed off to anything but what they know.
   
   Such as if your curfew was nine and you get home at nine oh one, you get grounded. The parent knows nothing else but to punish because they disobeyed. People think that it is in their own hands to punish gays for being who we are.
   
   And this topic is getting very irritating, STOP SAYING WE HAVE A CHOICE!
   Oh my goodness... if I had a quarter for every time someone said we had a choice I would be far beyond rich. How is it a choice to fall in love with someone?
   Let me ask the straight people something. Have you ever FORCED yourself to fall in love with whoever your with? Were you forced to love that special someone?
   Did it simply just happen?
   
   Good because that's the exact same way that gay's feel. We can't HELP but fall in love with others of the same sex. When I see a beautiful lady walking down the street with a nice body, I STARE because I like what I see but when a man walks down the street I don't stare at his ass. My basic instinct is to look at the woman.
   
   You can't say that I was forced to be this way because I grew up in a Mormon family ALL my life. I even attended Mormon church.
   
   When I was seven years old I was kissing the other little girls and rough housing with the boys. I grew up playing soccer and football and basketball. Not like the other girls with the pretty little pony's because i didn't want that stuff.
   
   When I started becoming a preteen I was curious about sex but I didn't look up man and woman sex I looked up LESBIANS. It's who I am and who I will always be. This is how I've been all my life and it won't change because all of a sudden I decided to CHANGE my mind about liking girls.
   
   So stop trying to act like you have ever been gay or lesbian to all the straight people who BELIEVE it's a choice to be gay. Maybe it's just a choice to be straight. hmm.. If it's a choice for us than it's a choice for you too.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      But most of them think that their god wants them to make the 'right" choice.
      
      Yeah, I know.  It's sick.  You want to scream and shake them.  I know.
      
      I'm straight.  I didn't make a choice either and I dislike  those people as much as you do.

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      KaeliElyseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I think there is a big confusion about what the actual "CHOICE" is... Yes, humans have brains and make choices all day everyday.  Yes, they DO choose whom to to kiss or have sexual contact with.  It's the feeling inside that is NOT a choice for most of the LGBTQ community.  That spark and excitement; the butterflies and passion that overwhelm any new relationship.  Those genuine firework feelings cannot be forced or created.  You either feel them or you don't.  "Straight" people simply do not feel that way about the same gender.  That's fine and dandy, who cares.  LGBTQ people feel those fireworks for their same gender.  Also fine and dandy--and again, WHO CARES?!  There is growing scientific evidence that shows many of the LGBTQ community have a physical differences in their brain detected by MRI, as well as different hormone levels for some.  Can somebody choose to be "DONE!" with men or "DONE!" with women and write them off completely after another failed relationship? ABSOLUTELY!  But for most, it's a struggle to admit that you are mentally, emotionally and physically attracted to the same gender because they know it's taboo.  I don't know anybody who realized they were LGBTQ and admitted with excitement, "SWEET!! I'M TOTALLY GAY [or LBTQ]!  THIS IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!"  Can they suppress their feelings and hide them forever?  Yes.  Can they jump into a "straight" marriage, go on to have two kids, a dog and a white picket fence?  You bet.  Are they living the American dream and succeeding with their pursuit of happiness?  No.  Every single day we make choices, but choosing to live in a way that leaves you feeling like an unfulfilled liar shouldn't be something anybody has to deal with just because another group of people doesn't agree with it.  Life is too short for so much hate and judgement.  Everybody deserves to live a happy, healthy life without being condemned.

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   Cagsilposted 14 years ago

   Ignorance must be truly blissful for many people.
   
   Those who are gay or lesbian is by choice. It is a decision to make, before you commit to the interaction with another person.
   
   What part do YOU not understand about choice?
   
   Those who are straight are straight by choice. See, same as you.
   
   So, quit screaming it is not about choice.

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      Vekoslavposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      So, you think you could choose to be gay?

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   Hi there, fellow lesbian!

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   Len Cannonposted 14 years ago

   Posting about LGBT topics on Hubpages is just going to make you want to shoot yourself in the face. Be happy with who you are and knowing that you're all right.  You don't need the validation of a bunch of internet strangers who don't want to to listen to feel good about yourself: you're fine on your own.
   
   It'd be nice if you could change minds, but the people who actually want to talk are just going to want to rant about how awful you are. Do yourself a favor and stay away from the topic and you'll save yourself a lot of heartache.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I second this Just know a lot of us support you to live your life the way you live it...

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      Frank Sanelloposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      As history has shown, people who in the past followed the advice in Len Cannon's post above, "Stay away from [GLBT] topic[s] and you'll save yourself a lot of heartahce," often ended up in concentration camps or were burned at the stake.
      
      When you ignore injustice, you may become a victim of it yourself. Silence = death.
      
      Frank Sanello

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   Pandoras Boxposted 14 years ago

   Having sex or not is a choice. Being gay or not probably isn't.

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      Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   It is a choice.
   
   And starting a thread to rant because I won't agree with you is childish.
   
   You want me to agree with you about LGBT and that being gay is genetic.
   
   It is not, and LGBT are not the great saviours of America from our religious bigotry.
   
   There is no gay gene... homosexuality not only goes against God, but is flies in the face of evolution.
   
   Oh and it wouldn't be in reverse because homosexuals cannot procreate without the aide of modern science. See... if it was an evolutionary genetically acceptable practice, (Choice), then they would have flourished surely at some point in history.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Could His Threesomeness explain how animals choose to be homosexual?
      
      Does His Threesomeness know anything about how population stresses can play into this?
      
      Does His Threesomeness know anything about the science behind this?
      
      No, but His Threesomeness  knows his Bible, and that's what matters!

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         TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Pc you don't have a clue as to what I know. lol
         
         Good try though...
         
         I will tell you, I do know we do not pre-suppose the existence of anything in Science.
         
         Niether god, nor a homosexual gene.

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            Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            We have more than a clue, Your Threesomeness.  You've demonstrated your "knowledge" quite frequently.

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               TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               lollollllllll

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      Rainbowloveposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You know not everything is about you sir. In fact your just part of the many people who say these things and it just so happens that you were the last person to say something about it. In all reality if you don't like what I have to say than don't follow the things I write to read more about it.
      In all reality YOU are the one who is childish to pretty much STALK my comments and blogs just to have your two cents heard.
      I would gladly enjoy saying you are officially the funniest person I've ever met.
      And in fact you are completely hypocritical and are so self absorbed that you haven't the slightest idea who I am addressing.
      Never once did I say anything about you I generalized ALL the people not just you.
      So don't think to much about yourself. Not everyone cares about what your opinion really means. seriously.

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         TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I am actually enjoying our discussion, thank you.
         
         Yes... I will just chalk it up to coincidence... I just happened to be the last one to mention choice. I just happened to be the last to speak with you about the two specific things that have irratated you for decades.
         
         I can understand that... and I am happy for it.
         
         I had thought you were upset because I wouldn't agree with you... and that was concerning.
         
         Cause if that is the way you are then you won't like it here.
         
         We have been going at it for quite a while here, and I have yet to see anyone change thier minds about anything.
         
         I dunno about anyone else... But I haven't seen it.

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            Rainbowloveposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No I have no intent on changing anyone's mind and I don't mind you voicing your opinion. I'm simply stating how I feel exactly as you are.

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      Frank Sanelloposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Who gave you the authority to speak for God? How do you know God disapproves of homosexuality? If he told you, you're not religious, you're schizophrenic. Schizophrenics often claim to hear the voice of God.
      
      And there is a possible evolutionary explanation for why something as seemingly disadvantageous as homosexuality for perpetuating the species nevertheless exists. Evolutionary biologists speculate that having a gay uncle or aunt who didn't have to feed his/her own children, would share his/her food, shelter, etc., with heterosexual nieces and nephews. It's good to share, and its OK to be gay.
      
      Frank Sanello

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      Vekoslavposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      ...and that being gay is genetic.
      
      It is not.
      
      That's not an argument, you know...

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         Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Why don't you hub this instead of distracting from this day in history?
         Please.
         It reminds me of the first time I heard of the gay agenda.  President Bush was giving a press conference on the war on terrorism, getting ready to deploy our troops to a foreign country that hid terrorist training camps, the same kind of camps that sent out the terrorists who struck the Twin Towers;  and what does one reporter bring up?--------gay "marriage"!   In the middle of a Nation reeling from 2000+ citizens dying horrible deaths, the homosexual activists started pushing their agenda.   Unconscienable!
         
         And this thread's been resurrected after....how many months?   Well, there are a bunch of other threads that could be resurrected too.   Lotsa heated arguments on both sides.   It would be nice to just have some PEACE for a while instead of this, especially since it's obviously just a STRAIGHT/Christian-BASHING thread.

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   TruthDebaterposted 14 years ago

   I think it is part deterministic and part choice. If a male child grows up with 2 gay male parents, there is a good possibility the child could end up gay as well.
   
   If a child grows up with a mom and dad, there is a good chance the child will be straight. I only say possibility because it is choice that children don't always grow or act the same as those who raised them.

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      TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Behaviorism definitly plays a powerful role in the shaping of children as it pertains to the lessons learned form thier parents and other influences around them in their childhood. Such as teaching in school that homo-sexuality is a normal acceptable behaviour with no moral repurcussions. thus the fight in Montana.

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         Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It is normal.  Not just in humans, but also in other animals.

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            Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            No you are wrong there is no such thing as homosexuality in animals.  There are no animals who only choose to have sex with their gender. They just go on instinct.

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               ADDHomeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               You need to do some actual research on this before you make this kind of blanket statement. Or give some sort of proof to back up what you claim.

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                  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Do you really think an animal assigns moral value to it's action?

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                     ADDHomeposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     You appear to be responding to something that you assume I meant.  I think you believe I was responding to the last sentence of DI's post.  I was actually responding to the first two sentences.

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                        Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        But then again, you are comparing social behavior of animals with the social behavior of humans, as though they are the same, and they are not, simply because of our consciousness level, which happens to be much more evolved than the average animal.
                        
                        Actually, your post was what I was replying to, with the understanding, that you were comparing apples to oranges.
                        
                        I didn't assume anything. I was making a point, which apparently went over your head, considering your post to me. So, with that said. Have fun.

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                     Len Cannonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     

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                        brimancandyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        You must have recently watched the Simpsons episode where everyone was vomiting and bleeding nothing but smiles.

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      Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Another person who knows very little.
      
      Did you know that statistically a man is more likely to be gay if he has older male siblings?  There are interesting theories about why that might be the case.  They think it might be an immune response - it doesn't  matter if he is raised with the older brothers, just that his mother bore them.  The more older siblings, the more likely to be gay.

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         TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yes I have read many progressive studies attempting to nomalize homosexuality and gay parenting and adoption. So you can think your the only one who knows all you want... it just shows how lil you know actualy

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            Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            That's not a "progressive" study.  It's just statistics,

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               TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               From where?... Provide the study please.

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                  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You don't know how to use Google, do you?

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                     TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     You claim a study states something which supports your view but refuse to post it... shows me your just talkin trash and making things up as you go.
                     
                     And just cause you can Google something, doesn't make it a fact or even anything near the truth.
                     
                     Just like a leant leftist to espouse the greatness of all things googled.

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                        Len Cannonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/con … t/153/1/27
                        
                        http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/ … 7.abstract
                        
                        http://www.pnas.org/content/103/28/10771.abstract
                        
                        http://www.pnas.org/content/103/28/10531.full
                        
                        there are many, many more.

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                           Len Cannonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           But you won't actually care about any of these, so I am more the fool for spending three whole minutes on google scholar.

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            TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Likely, most of us have seen male or female dogs hump members of the same sex. There are numerous other examples of animals stimulated by the same sex. I think the choice in humans is that we have higher consciousness/more choices in choosing which stimulus we pick.

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               TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               All an animal does is act on instinct to satisfy an urge... that doesn't equate to Homo-sexuality in any way shape or form.
               
               You leant leftist need to stop equating all things, as if that is the answer.

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                  TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks. It is only an illusion that we didn't evolve from other life. It does equate homosexuality. Free will in animals is shown by some sticking with mates their entire lives while others are promiscuous. Your other assumption is wrong as well, I have as many conservative beliefs as I do liberal, that is what unbiased is. Biased or instinct is acting on your beliefs as the only ones right without conscious recognition of others.

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                     TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Actually only the top part of my answer was to you Truth. The last part was an in general statment to the left who make a career out of equating and justifying all things with other things.
                     
                     It seems some on here exist in a perpetual state of moral and cultural relativism.
                     
                     But I still stick by my answer... does not equate.

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                        TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Thanks. How does it not equate unless we were made separate from other life? I agree much is choice and much is deterministic, but there are different levels of how much free will/control to stimulus a person or animal has.

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                           TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           "How does it not equate unless we were made separate from other life?"
                           
                           Then I guess our dis-agreement is over the creation of human life.

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                              TruthDebaterposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Thanks. So we share hundreds if not thousands of common traits with other life, but were created separate? How so?

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                                 TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 You really want to turn this into a Creationism Vs Evolution thread... because I don't.
                                 
                                 Lets suffice it to say that as far as evolution is concerned, I am in the camp of Russel Alfred Wallace. Evolution seems to me to be a tool used by God to create the World of Nature and animals, but evolution has many problems in its application to humans.
                                 
                                 You know regardless of the twisting the left has done in here... I do not condemn anyone who chooses to be gay... but I will not support lies which speak of science having evidence of a gay gene.
                                 
                                 I will also freely admit that it offends my morality... but it is one's choice as to what one wishes to do in this life.
                                 
                                 So... they can do what they want... but I do not believe it should be taught in schools and pushed as "normally acceptable" behavior, as as no immorallity should be taught as such.
                                 
                                 We may as well excuse killers for what they do... especially the Sato-Sexual killers. After all it is probrably in thier genes...
                                 
                                 Even though i would chalk that abnormal sexual behavior up to behavioral issues, and learned behaviorism.
                                 
                                 There have been many studies that show immorality and sexual behavior can be inextricably linked, and that people can learn to become aroused by many different acts and actions, which would not arouse most people.

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                  brimancandyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Ok. What about the male dog that gets it's mother pregnant. Or the male dog that gets it's sister pregnant, and then is seen in the corner humping it's brother. Seems like there is an aweful lot of incest going on there.
                  Not that anyone cares... they are dogs!
                  
                  That of course makes me glad that I do not have animal instincts. I think comparing us to the average farm animal or domestic is pointless. And, why anyone would have to compare their antics to straight or gay people is kind of baseless. If anything we should be going back in time and watching the sexual evolution in humans.
                  
                  Lets go back to a time when women could be claimed like property, and men had several wives, while some had all of that and had sex with other men, and sexual slaves, even children were available to them.
                  
                  Animal life has been unaltered where the changes in humans have changed, and changed again. If we are to believe the story of Soddom and Gomorrah, there were aparently entire cities where all kinds of sex acts took place. Who knows what went on there, but we do know the outcome. Apparently God decided that they had no right to exist and destroyed them.
                  
                  But what the story doesn't tell is what was going on in the rest of the world.
                  Please! These can't be the only places on earth where this was happening. Why only those two cities? There are homosexuals all over the world, if it was so horrible and you're god, why not destroy everything?
                  
                  I still think our current religeous beliefs according to the bible are designed to scare people into conformity. It just seems to me that there are far too many other unanswered questions in this world to go along with what is written in the bible. especially, when they are still debating on which version of the bible is accurate.
                  
                  We all know the main groups that are against gay rights have strong beliefs in the church. Wether what they are interperting is right or wrong, they are going to go out of their way to enforce it. That and other things they believe in as well.
                  
                  So, why shouldn't gay people fight for their rights? the church obviously has no problem showing up to spout their views on right and wrong. I think it is only fair.

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      Maddie Ruudposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That is ridiculous.
      
      One of my best friends was raised in a Christian household with a married mom and dad, and was taught by her parents that being gay was 1) a choice, and 2) morally wrong.  Neither she nor her only other sibling identify as straight.
      
      I also have 2 male friends (not in the same family as each other) who were raised by lesbian moms, and neither of them is gay.
      
      Statistical outliers, you may say.  But to say that, you first need to actually produce some statistics, instead of making statements about probability that you cannot back up with numbers.

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   Pcunixposted 14 years ago

   Oh, well, time to go.
   
   The gay bashers will stick around to get in their last words.   Sick, sick, people.  I wish they were smarter, I wish they were better people, but they are not and that is that.
   
   On behalf of the human race, I apologize to the gay and lesbian people who have to suffer living with these ugly people.  I feel your pain and will do all I can to help you win the equality you deserve. 
   
   Gotta go, sorry.

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      Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Everything could be upside down, or even inside out, and according to Einstein, things could run backwards(theoretically) and we would have no choice. According to Hubble (telescope) the galaxies furthest from us, are moving ever faster, and the FURTHEST ones appear to be exceeding the speed of light. Speaking for the almighty (which I theoretically can't) I don't think we'd like it much. Besides, hollywood did that, And the Big G only does truly original work. He says He couldn't have said it better! LOL

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         Rainbowloveposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What hahaha??

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      TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You don't get to apologize for any but your own actions Pc. And you need to do that with great sincerity indeed.

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         Dave Barnettposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         At least if everything did run backwards, we'd know the truth about hidden messages in the rock music. have you ever noticed that if you play english backwards it sounds kind of russian?

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            TMMasonposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            lol

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   TMMasonposted 14 years ago

   I want to know why, if homo-sexuality is so normal... all of you are so adverse to is being a choice.
   
   Is it that your ashamed of your behavior?
   
   Is it that if it were genetic, it wouldn't be your fault?
   
   Seems to me you all should be proud of your choices... if there is, as you all say, nothing wrong with it.
   
   If it is so normal stand up and be proud of your CHOICE.

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      Diane Insideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Amen!

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      SteffyRoseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am PROUD of who I am. And I did not make the choice to be gay. BUT yet I am.
      Its my human instinct to be attracted to the same sex, as it yours to be attracted to the opposite sex.
      END OF.

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    sabrinaaqposted 14 years ago

    You guys should be proud and its terrible how people are so quick to judge you. Dont let anyone tell u anything otherwise

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    KaeliElyseposted 13 years ago

    Blame the damn straight people.. They're the one who keep making gay babies Peace, Love, LGBTQ! <3 {My fiance and I were L.. My now HUSBAND is T <3}

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