Are there any Bible verses that say that Jesus ever descended to hell? If not where does this notion come from?
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"...but why he would have done so is anybody's guess." He extended "Grace & Mercy" to ALL under the New Covenant! I Peter 3:19
Eph 6:12 because we have a struggle, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places.Theses are the spirits mention
K&T: I Pet 3:19 is a ONE TIME event done by JESUS which offered Grace & Mercy to ALL those in lower parts of the earth (DEAD) as well! It's for ALL & He made it possible by doing I Pet 3:19! Why does ur bible say "heavenly places" when e
Because your bible is a translation of the 1600's King James bias to his thoughts and translations of his own religion. The one I read from
Speaks our language and translated from Hebrew and Greek. Not KJ
That is where many our lead and confuse
So u blv that there is "wickedness" in the kingdom of heaven or "heavenly places?" Satan is the ONLY one that JESUS kicked out! Give Scripture of others!
Jude 6 And the angels who did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place, he has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.
It said Angels not one Angel being satan.
Jude 6 "DID NOT" say WHERE the "darkness" was! Rev 21:23; 22: 5 says "...no need for light.." there! Where's "darkness" in heaven? God is LIGHT!
Don't "add" or "take away!" (Rev 22:18-19)
Norine unless you are willing to learn more about translations even before King James then you can not make the statement about taking away , because King James had taken away God's personal name Jehovah, clearly seen in Greek and Hebrew, And others
Unless u stop reading a "bible" that was "created" for a specific "religion" that contradicts "GOD IS LIGHT" who's LOST? There is no "DARKNESS" in heaven & you & KJV know that! I Jn 1:5 is just 1!
You err "darkness" in heaven!
So you are saying that Hebrew and Greek is not the original writings of the bible the same language Jesus spoke at that time.
It is available in our language. You do not speak King James Dialog, neither are you Jewish or Greek.
You see, you r "hung up" on "material things" when the HOLY SPIRIT "reveals ALL truth!" KJV, Greek, Hebrew, Spanish, whatever LIES will be revealed as in ur belief that there is "darkness" in heaven! Rely on the HS, not ur understanding! Prov 3:5
Norine age has nothing to do with it I am not far from you in age I am I'm my 50 ' s so that is no excuse for you to say unsupported information just because you believe it and will not face truth.Jesus would not support that at all.
Why do you call Scripture "unsupported info?" Is that all u thk of His Word? For that's all I've ever given u! I'm closer to yrs promised in Scripture than u r! Might see Maker sooner than u! Afraid to LIE! Jesus does support His Word!
The bible clearly says spirits , it did not say humans. Spirit Angels that
Turned against the heavenly Father were preached to by Jesus.when
humans die they are conscious of nothing at all as written, Ec 9:5.
Did JESUS LIE in Luke 16:22-31? It's in RED!
WE ARE SPIRITS (NOT HUMANS) TO GOD!
Can't you see JESUS CAN DO "ANYTHING" for HE IS GOD? Even awake DEAD spirits?
DON'T LIMIT GOD (aka JESUS)!
1 Peter 3:18 to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. This is when he judge the rebel spirit Angles. Because they are spirit,
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God
That's not what my bible says! I Pet 3:18 "...made alive BY the Spirit!" His Spirit! He only used a BODY to relate to "man!" He was THE SPIRIT (GOD) who was manifested in the flesh (I Tim 3:16)!
I Co 15:50 is TRUE!
Norine if we had lived during Jesus time and we followed him then
We would be Jews , because that is who he preached to first.
The first Christians were given Jobs of his administration.
The rest of 144,000 were picked throughout other generatio
Did you forget the New Covenant (NC) (Gal 3:28)? Did you forget that He DIED for the NC, which sent us the HS (Jn 14:26), & shed His Blood for the remissions of our sins (Eph 1:7; Matt 26:28)? Have you forgotten? After NC, there is no race, etc.
Norine you speak some truth, but not all, Jesus is a King, he is working
daily finding citizens, the bible tells us history past and present, the point and important issues now is preparing for this hope by making personal adjustments as written
K&T: I'm 65 yrs old w/no x for LIES!
NO! The "important issue" is to "rightly divide His Word" THEN do as it says!
JESUS is GOD! Otherwise: Trinity!
So I show you proof on scriptures of war in heaven , now I am telling lies. Why are you lying to your self and others Norine. You override what is written to prove your points not valid. You claim to know Jesus
But you do not.
Did u not hear Scripture? " WAS," and is, and is to come? WAS there, but did not prevail" is what Scripture says! So no longer there!
What makes u continue to want to learn "TRUTH" fm me? JESUS (aka Holy Spirit)! Thank u JESUS!
Norine I am not God or Jesus, I solely share their truth with many to help people see that we are living in critical times but a wonderful future is close ahead, you on the other hand have only argued on this subject.
No gain of helping anyone. .
Neither am I God (aka Jesus) but His Word IS! If I can "prove" fm Scripture what I blv, is it arguing or pointing out TRUTH ppl haven't been TAUGHT or overlooked?
There's not a "wonderful future close ahead" if not "blving" according to Gal 1:6-9
There are people that believe many things even when Jesus walked the earth, but they did not listen to him , they kept thinking and doing things their way , and criticize others for doing it the right way. Arguing
Over words instead of practice,
The Scriptures are not "words" and I am not "arguing" but "proving" what one has been "taught" or "blv" is in err according to HIS WORD! Yes, ppl will continue to NOT do as He has said rather doing what "they think is right" not studying Scripture!
Ec 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.
If you do not have a memory of anything how can you be preached to, you can not.
K&T: Do u know the OT were "laws" that had not been fulfilled? Jesus "fulfilled" law under NC! Things changed! We worship like Jn 4:24! JESUS can do ANYTHING - chg ANYTHING & He did under NC! If NC said "He preached to prisoners,"(I Pet 3)who
the first picked and followers of Jesus started as cabinet members,for his Government, he made a covenant or contract with them to rule by his side. They have to die to change into a spirit body as Jesus and his Father gives them a spirit body.
Girl, they were spirits in a body as we r w/God! The HS was IN them making them "in the world but not of the world" as Jesus was!
The bible is really talking to Christians of those positions, they have to die to be changed into spirit bodies like angles.
We who are not of that group have a earthly citizenship hope.
my future is earth it will be heavenly also.
So u don't blv we "can be in the world but not of the world" or in the Spirit as Jesus was in a body? Were we not "commanded" to "be ye perfect as I am perfect" (Matt 5:28) in a body? He didnt say wait until u get to heaven & be perfect but do so
Notice these words of King James , "King James I, after ascending the English throne in 1603, endorsed the making of a fresh Bible translation."
He stipulated that it should commend itself to all by omitting any offensive notes or comments.
Who cares? Unless u don't blv the Scriptures that said "the HS will REVEAL ALL THGS!" Don't u blv? Why keep "harping on translations" when HOLY SPIRIT said "He would reveal ALL thgs" unless u don't blv it?
Re 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled
Re 12:8but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven.
So your beliefs are not valid.
Evil/darkness "they did not prevail" in heaven! Heaven is GOD's Kingdom! GOD IS LIGHT! No "darkness" exists there! Too many Scriptures says so!
Revelation are prophesies of things that "WAS, and is, and is to come" Rev 1:8;4:1-8! NO MORE evi
You say no more evil, no there is not at this present time.
But yes satan was present then, the reason war broke out in heaven as stated and written, Job 1:6Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah
Then why would u say Jude 6 said "darkness unto the judgment" was NOW in heaven? Stop using Scripture "out of context" to justify ur belief!
God doesn't like it!