Did Jesus Whip the Merchants in the Temple?

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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
I don't believe that; it must be a fiction created by the sinful scribes of the Bible who hardly believed in Jesus, which is evident from the fact that they fled away from the scene of the Cross as per Bible, leaving their master to suffer alone on the Cross.

Quran does not mention this incident. Jesus was a peaceful person.
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  Disturbiaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did Jesus whip the merchants in the temple? Since nobody living today was there to witness, I don't see how anyone can really answer that question. The best you will get is someone quoting a third-party description from some work of fiction, disguised as a holy book, which was writen by persons with their own adjendas of control and manipulation.
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  I am DB Cooperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty much.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Joh 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
  
  The Bible doesn't say he whipped them.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think scourge is a whip; it is for this that some Bible version mention it :
  
  In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the moneychangers at their business. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all, with the sheep and oxen, out of the temple; and he poured out the coins of the money-changers, and overturned their tables. And he told those who sold the pigeons, "Take these things away; you shall not make my Father's house a house of trade." {John 2:14-16 RSV}
  
  http://www.pbc.org/files/messages/4177/3837.html
  
  A scourge (from Italian scoriada, from Latin excoriare = "to flay" and corium = "skin") is a whip or lash, especially a multi-thong type used to inflict severe corporal punishment or self-mortification on the back.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scourge
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wasn't questioning whether a scourge is a whip or not. The Bible states that Jesus made a scouge. The Bible does not say Jesus whiped anyone with it.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  [11] This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him. [12] After this he went down to Capharnaum, he and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they remained there not many days. [13] And the pasch of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. [14] And he found in the temple them that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting. [15] And when he had made, as it were, a scourge of little cords, he drove them all out of the temple, the sheep also and the oxen, and the money of the changers he poured out, and the tables he overthrew.
  
  http://www.drbo.org/chapter/50002.htm
  
  Jesus made a scourge or a whip; then he drove sellers of oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting there in the temple as per Bible.
  
  What should one understand from it? What did Jesus do with the scourge? Any one with an idea.
  
  I don't think Jesus ever did such a thing; this is the mind of the sinful scribes at work.
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  According ro christian doctrine it is difficult to accept that Jesus the Christ could even attempt to do what is described ith that peice of writing.. thus they make excuses like the above..
  
  The Truth is Christian version os sin and righteousness is vastly different from that of Jesus the christ...
  
  For in their declaration of all as sinners according to their standard,, they forever condemn themselves....
  
  So Sin bondage is perpetual and indefinite for christians..
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the Christians should leave following Paul and the teachings given by the sinful scribes in the Bible. Why should they follow sinful Paul, sinful Church and the sinful scribes? If they follow sinners; they cannot come out of the sin. They should follow innocent Jesus and innocent Mary to come out of sinning.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You talk a lot about the law yet say no one should follow the one who knew the law better than anyone else in his time. Makes a lot of sense. . . not really.
  
  Why do you follow sinful Muhammad?
  
  I would also like to know how many animal sacrifices you have made for your sins.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are wrong in your assumption. Jesus came to save the world, but He also knows not all want to be saved. Of course then He knows that many will do everything they can to draw believers away.
  
  Do you really think that believers belive Christ to be so weak that he couldn't do something to people who are evil through and through?
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Since you still have no clue as to what I am saying you are like a man beating the air...
  
  Like I said The christian concept of sin is wrong so therefore they teach men to sin rather than walk in righteousness,
  
  that is true with you also...
  
  For any man still unsure as to the will of God is still a sinner...
  
  The freedom from sin comes by Spirit knowledge/Christ/Truth...
  Personal and not hand me down as they do with the bible.
  
  Christian confess this in words but not reality....because they have no reality of these things among them...
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Quaran doesn't realy say a whole lot about the ministry of Jesus, it only refutes the biblical testimony of his divine sonship of god the father. If it were not for the Bible, Mohammed would not have even heard the name of Jesus.
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Hugh Williamsonposted 14 years ago
Maybe he just gave them noogies.
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
It just seems to me that everyone is missing the "Real" issue here.

The issue in the story.
The people were supposed to bring with them "Theit" first born sheep or whatever and whatever they brought to sacrifice was supposed to be blemishless.
The Moneychangers were selling just any ole sheep, etc blemish or not; and cheating those people that came to buy.

Nothing about that situation was as it should have been.

And Too; Jesus knew that his time had come to do that which he was sent to do. He made a specticale in the temple to further instigate the priest into doing that which they were supposed to do.

At least I think so.

Did he hit anyone with the whip? I don't think he would have dad to.

That whole mockery that the people were making of a Holy day and event ..?.. That was blasphemy (sortA) in a holy place; something worse than anything that Jesus had experienced up until that time in his life. I think!
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can any christian go into another Christian church and disturb their meeting risking injury to the people gather, destroy their property?
  
  Would he not be considered a sinner by every other christian body including his own?
  
  You see christian keeps a visible standard for sin while the God and His Christ has a Spiritual standard...
  
  And the standard you make for another is he standard you set for yourself....
  
  So I say... Indeed Jesus destroy other people property and risk injuring them on that day in the temple yet through all that he was still sinless...
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
[15] And when he had made, as it were, a scourge of little cords, he drove them all out of the temple

The scribe's sinful mentality is very clear; the scribe says very clearly that Jesus prepared a scourge/whip and with that he drove the people out of the temple.

Jesus was not such a person; the sinful scribe has made a fiction.
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thirdmilleniumposted 14 years ago
If Bible says, he did, he did. Besides, Jesus was not beyond giving a piece of his mind. He chided his disciples when they cried in fear when the sea was rumbling. He chided them for having slept while he had been praying on Mount Sinai. He actually called Peter Satan.

And, what is wrong with all this?
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
This shows that the sinful scribes wrote Bible for character assassination of Jesus.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So what's the truth?
  
  HOW do you know?
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Truth is that Bible does not consist of true Word Revealed on Jesus.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, then what is the correct source?
  
  Where can we find exactly what He taught?
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  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  this is not fair...paar has said this 400k times on hubs..there is only one true bible and it is spelled as Quran...
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, what can the Koran tell me about Jesus??
  It was written centuries AFTER Jesus, whereas the Bible, (Gospels) only <100 years.
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  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ya but you forget that bible was written by humans while quran was inspired by god...bible is human product and so have so many version...quran is universally same since it was directly from god via Gabriel via muhammad via companions of muhammad...jesus was also prophet ...but his vias were around 100 years and different version suggest that they forgot many things and wrongly thought jesus too be god ...jesus was plain human being and that is why his last prayer was for god and he asked god to forgive those who nailed him..he didnt say i forgive them because he knew that dealer doesnot have rights of manufacturer...
  
  On more serious notes : all books are man made...they do have knowledge in it considering vast experience of human race till time those books were written but has its limitations too...we must respect our ancestor's knowledge but considering it divine hinders our exploring abilities and gaining more knowledge...not good for coming generations...
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible also claims to be inspired by God.
  
  The one (of many major) difference is that there were 66 written documents, over thousands of years, by over 40 writers, and they all have a unique common message, inspired by God.
  There is a unity in these writings that is found nowhere else. All 66 documents speak about the One TRUE God.
  
  I can't possibly see how this message can be false, and the koran true. Truth is truth, and if these two "holy" writings do not agree, they are not about/from the same source. NOR are they BOTH true at the same time.
  
  The Bible says Jesus IS God, the koran says He was a mere man. This cannot be both ways. One is correct, and one is incorrect.
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  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it is not Bible...it is Bibles...but there is only one Quran...one since it came into being...singular...no versions......coming to jesus being god or not god...well it is domain of faith and has little to do with truth or false and more to do with personally thought as truth or false...jesus is not god for 67% people in the world and they all are fine with it...in same way jesus is god for most christians and they are fine with it...none can say that 67% are believing in false and 33% in truth and vice versa...truth is perception out here...world existed much before jesus came into scene and world would keep existing even if all these books seize to exist...oldest scripture is veda...it is mere 3.5 k years old...known civilization is older than that...point is on not WHO ...it is faith...deity may change belief on that is what works...
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus was around before the world came into being!
  He made it!
  
  Percentage af believer versus non-believers is irrelevant to truth.
  Truth is truth, even if NO-ONE believes it.
  
  Bible is ONE book. Versions are simply that, versions. Written to be understood by consecutive generations. I don't have to learn Ancient Hebrew, or Greek, to read it. Your argument here is also irrelevant!
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  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  exactly truth is truth and it doesnot matter what bible or any book states as truth...it doesnot effect truth...jesus was before world came into being is "what you believe" and it doesnot need to be truth...it is your version and like wise others have their own version...and jesus is not only one who is said to have created the world...it is called allah ,jesus , god , krishna and many other things...in end premise is some form of energy which created...and again it is mere belief...no one knows what is truth.. you can keep beliving in what you think is truth but you can't deny that like you think x as truth which can be false others too can believe y as truth which also might be false..in end it is faith talking and nothing else..
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very well said.
  
  The challenge for all men is to find truth. Then place your faith in that.
  
  The object of our faith needs to be THE truth, not mine or yours or anyone else's version.
  Therefore, the source of that "object" is also critical. The "object" of that truth is Jesus. Not anyone else. Not any religion, not any creed.
  
  He is alive, powerful and changing people's lives daily. (including many Muslims). Devout Muslims, having encounters with Jesus, so powerful, they willingly risk death from fellow Muslims for converting. (NOT to the christian religion, but to CHRIST.)
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  pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  actually it is other way round...people believe in something and then reinforce it to extent that it becomes truth for them..
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then obviously, Jesus never died. Christians have been fooled.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, silly. He rose from the dead.
  
  That's the central tenet of the Gospel!
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How can he rise from the dead when he never died to begin with?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I've got you figured out. You get it, you just have fun pretending that you don't. Strange idea of fun, if you ask me.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have no idea what you're talking about.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you say so. OK by me.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bible has never beem one book; it consists of many books:
  
  The Books of the Bible are listed differently in the canons of Judaism and the Catholic, Protestant, Greek Orthodox, Slavonic Orthodox, Georgian, Armenian Apostolic, Syriac and Ethiopian churches, although there is substantial overlap. A table comparing the canons of some of these traditions appears below, comparing the Jewish Bible with the Christian Old Testament and New Testament. For a detailed discussion of the differences, see "Biblical canon".
  
  The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Catholic churches may have minor differences in their lists of accepted books. The list given here for these churches is the most inclusive: if at least one Eastern church accepts the book it is included here.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_the_Bible
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Therefore you should believe in it, because so much of it is considered true, valuable and worthy of preservation. All the documents in it speak of the One True God, His dealings with "man" over the centuries, His plan of salvation, and His future plans for all of creation.
  
  Even if you trew out all the ones that don't overlap, amd kept what does, you'd still have enough to get the message(s) He intended for us to have.
  
  Unlike the Koran. Which, if you threw it away, you'd have NOTHING. No "backup", redundancy system, so-to-speak.
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The true revelation of Jesus that matters is repeated again and preserved in Quran- Word revealed by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; time is no dimension for Him; He has witnessed all the events and there is none who is a true witness except Him. He revealed it on Muhammad.
  
  The Christians need to reform themselves.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought Gabriel the angel revealed the quran to Muahammad. Since Gabriel is not God, God did not reveal it.
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  aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Said like a true Muslim.
  
  Unfortunately, you are misinformed.
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pisean282311posted 14 years ago
@paar religion is one big fiction...so take the part what you life...in end it doesnot matter which part one believes in..fiction is fiction...
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just_curiousposted 14 years ago
I think this story is excellent. It shows a person who is fed up with the commercialization of religion.

Who hasn't rolled their eyes at that aspect of religion? It'd be nice to be able to act in a way that reverberates through the centuries. Unfortunately, the moral to the story appears to have been revamped to suit the fancy of the few. Because, how do you keep selling something if you share the fact that it's free?
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