Science explains the existence of God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNSe4Ff5 … r_embedded
Without a personal apotheosis, all who claim that God is real without any personal knowledge --- without a clear logic trail --- are just lying to themselves as well as others.
All who claim a God are also idol worshipping. They have just pasted their bible pages onto a golden calf. They think they have hidden the calf’s shape but it is still discernible under the manmade WORD of God. To have a Godinabook is to idol worship.
Most that follow a religion do not really follow it. They only follow tradition and cultures based on old tribal ways.
Are you an idol worshipper or do you fall under the first link’s definition?
If not, give the logic trail to your God.
P. S. Most will see this O P as an attack on those who believe. If you do, then you should know that I am not an atheist but call myself a Gnostic Christian and do believe in a Godhead. It is just not supernatural and is not immoral the way the bible God is portrayed to be.
I'm not really as interested in your links as I am in your claim to be a Gnostic Christian who believes in a Godhead.
I've seen you repeatedly attack Christians, so would you be so kind as to answer a few questions? If so;
Who, in your opinion, was Christ and what significance do you place on his life and works?
What was the outcome of the crucifixion; in your opinion?
What, in your opinion, is this Godhead you speak of?
What leads you to claim that you possess mystical knowledge?
Please be as detailed as possible and don't get lazy on me and post multiple links. Thanks.
"Who, in your opinion, was Christ and what significance do you place on his life and works?"
I believe basically what the Jews thought in that all the persons in scriptures are archetypes. Be it Moses, Jesus or any of the main characters. None existed as spoken of in scriptures.
If you think of Jesus' words, you will find that they are mostly unworkable rhetoric and that some, like his let no man put asunder divorce law is actually anti-love and Jesus was supposed to be all about love.
"What was the outcome of the crucifixion; in your opinion?"
It is a garbage tale and you will note that none of the four main gospels even speak of it. If real, they would have played it up hard.
You will also note that nowhere in scriptures is the loss of the tree of life ever bemoaned. The ancients were not stupid enough to believe that we were immortal.
"What, in your opinion, is this Godhead you speak of?"
It is a cosmic or universal consciousness. No miracle working powers. It is a part of nature and not supernatural.
"What leads you to claim that you possess mystical knowledge?"
I have no mystical knowledge and make no such claim. If that is how you would class my apotheosis then I am guilty from YPOV.
Let me give you this.
The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.
“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.
Thanks. I do appreciate the absence of links.
But why Christian? You say you don't believe Jesus even existed. His supposed sayings are unworkable rhetoric and anti love. It seems very odd that you would even use the name.
And, since gnostic is defined as esoteric mystical knowledge I don't think my point of view is off base.
Anyway, maybe reading the Bible day and night isn't the best idea. Especially if you hate what others see in it. I don't see good or bad in the Bible. More of a history of the evolution of Man's idea of God. I find it fascinating.
I agree with you as to a cosmic consciousness that doesn't feel a sense of obligation. Although I don't doubt it is aware of us.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification. I rarely agree with your posts, but they are obviously interesting since I do usually stop to read them.
The ancients have about 8 words that they define as consciousness. I am not sure how many they had for esoteric and mystical but it may not matter as Gnostic Jesus said that all thoughts and visions etc. are processed in the mind.
I just do not give my experience the otherworldly magical quality that most do. The Godhead is just our next evolutionary step FMPOV.
I have noticed that we are sometimes on the same page and other times not. It keeps dialog interesting.
I found this on some of the latest science being done on the God issue and found it quite interesting in terms of how we process information and what happens to our minds when we pray. It, like myself, is not anti-spiritual but tries to show how religions reality works.
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