Unending argument on Religion

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  1. francisassissi profile image59
    francisassissiposted 8 years ago

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    Religions have their own interpretations and understanding, why quarrel? Where is the respect? Where is the love?

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    Emile Rposted 8 years ago

    You are correct. If we could only communicate through action; those who believe could only live their faith. But, those who make the news because they live by faith are usually pretty scary these days. We had one Mother Theresa, but quite a few suicide bombers. Individuals who live by the standards of love espoused by many as the nature of God are outnumbered by those who live by violence claimed in the name of God. I think we all have different ideas as to why this is true. These ideas drive the argument; since most individuals prefer peace and security.

    1. habee profile image92
      habeeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. I've never understood the violence associated with religion - and that includes Christianity. Some of the most horrendous violence and torture in history were done in the name of religion. I mean really - can you picture Jesus taking part in the Spanish Inquisition??

      1. bBerean profile image60
        bBereanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

        I can't picture Jesus taking part in Catholicism at all, so no.  Christianity being accused of the atrocities of the inquisitions betrays the lack of knowlege most have regarding the major differences between biblical Christianity and Catholicism.  A great in depth and well documented expose on this subject is "A Woman Rides the Beast" by Hunt: 

        http://www.amazon.com/Woman-Rides-Beast … +the+beast

        1. habee profile image92
          habeeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

          Good point, but it's still a shoot of Christianity. What about the Salem witch trials? The group responsible claimed to be devout followers of the Bible. I'm not knocking Christianity - I'm a Christian. I just don't get the violence. I would think that Christians would want to follow Christ as a role model.

          1. bBerean profile image60
            bBereanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Catholicism really isn't an offshoot of Christianity, but more a hijacking and redefining of terminology.  Unable to completely eliminate Christianity, Constantine tried a different tactic by adapting Christian terms and characters to the pagan church he was already the head of, and remained the leader of to the day he died.  Instead of Isis, Horus and Sept you had Jesus, Mary and Satan.  Throughout it's early history the Catholic church continued to persecute and kill Christians who were not fooled and would not convert to Catholicism.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              Constantine did not establish the Catholic Church as we know it today.  In fact, he caused the first schism in catholic (universal) Christianity.

              1. bBerean profile image60
                bBereanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                Yes, the Catholic church has evolved, but it is following the path and example set by Constantine.  It is his church.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry, but you are very mixed up in this understanding.  Constantine is the founder of the Eastern (Byzantine) Catholic Church.  The Catholic Church that most refer to by that name alone is the Roman Catholic Church - which is what Constantine left to establish himself as the head of Christianity in the east.

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          Motown2Chitownposted 8 years agoin reply to this

           

          And Catholicism being accused because of the atrocities of the inquisitions possibly betrays an innate prejudice, IMO.  After all - the Spanish Inquisition was begun by Spanish monarchs, not Church leaders.

          1. bBerean profile image60
            bBereanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Islam initiated the conflict, but the Catholic church responded and perpetuated it.  Again, a big subject but well addressed in the book I mentioned.

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              Motown2Chitownposted 8 years agoin reply to this

              So the Jews of today should in fact be held accountable for killing Christ?

              1. bBerean profile image60
                bBereanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                As the most persecuted people in history, they have been held accountable for rejecting Jesus, but it is not man's place to do that.  Jews remain God's chosen people, his promises to Abraham still apply and Christians should pray for and support them.

                I'm enjoying the conversation but have to catch a few hours sleep before work.

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                  Motown2Chitownposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  But Catholics of today should be held responsible for every action of "Catholics" in the past?

                  1. bBerean profile image60
                    bBereanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                    Honestly, the Catholic church discourages layity from studying the bible, saying they can't understand it, and they really don't even want them understanding the history and doctrines of the church.  They want them to follow and do as they are told by the church.  Most Catholics consequently have no idea what all their church stands for or details of it's history.  Pretty hard to hold them accountable for the history.  The church itself, (it's leadership), however, knows or should know.

  3. jlpark profile image79
    jlparkposted 8 years ago

    Like I said in the "how do you define God" question....I think that trying to define God or Gods is assuming that your definition of God is the only one.

    Defining God, or Gods, is a ridiculous notion as it is trying to define the undefinable.  That is what makes Gods Gods - they cannot be defined.  Humans - we can, thats why we aren't Gods.

    I think that is where the Christian religion and all it's off shoots comes unstuck. It assumes that it has the only God, and then tries to define Him.  Then assumes that their definition is the only one.

    So, accepting that there may be more than one, and leaving Gods to define themselves....would make this world a whole lot less violent, and a whole lot more peaceful....isn't that what religion is supposed to be about? Peace and love?

    1. francisassissi profile image59
      francisassissiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      News media plays the big part in that violence you just said.

 
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