Atheists are closer to God than your average Christian

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   janesixposted 11 years ago

   Especially the vocal ones, like the ones we all know on HP.
   
   Atheism is just a stage you go through before you truly find God. That's one of the reasons I love you guys so much.

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Got any popcorn while I watch this one pad out?

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I know I'm always half joking on here. But only half. I had this insight today, gotta follow my Wyrd.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Tell that to Christopher Hitchens...

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I don't know who that is.

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      A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      That's really insulting to an atheist who wouldn't want anything to do with such a vicious and malevolent God.
      
      
      
      Kinda like religion is a stage you go through before you truly find reality?

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         The Bible God is just someone's imagination. Who knows what he is truly like?

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   getitriteposted 11 years ago

   

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      Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, I forgot

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         janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not a troll. You just don't like what I have to say. Get over it.

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            getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            What you have to say is an absurd opinion, based purely on conjecture  And there is also an implication of superiority in that you suggest that the atheist is at an inferior stage of development, as opposed to silly adults, believing in whimsical nonsense.  How ridiculous.

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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               I never said it was anything but my opinion. In fact, I said it was insight.

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                  getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  So just show us where god is, and then, case closed.  Thanks.

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                     janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     lol
                     
                     I really don't care that you don't believe in God. That's your loss.
                     
                     I don't have to prove anything. You don't like it, stay out of religious forums. Case closed.

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                        getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        Yet you say that atheist have not found this god....a god that you don't even have evidence for, nor do you feel obligated to provide any evidence for.   Yeah...makes perfect sense. 
                        
                        
                        Why?  So that dishonest people can go unchallenged?

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                           janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm dishonest because I believe in God and don't have proof? That's logic for you.
                           
                           If I were to claim proof, that would be dishonesty.

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                        psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        You aren't in a religion-specific forum. The title includes an "and".

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                           janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Do you actually have something usful to add to this discussion, psychskinner?

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            Uninvited Writerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            I didn't call you a troll.

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               janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You're right. You just insinuated it.

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   wildernessposted 11 years ago

   Well, he'd better get cracking, then - I don't have all that many years left!
   
   Although, come to think of it, it does seem rather common that as people age into their senior years, and the fact of their mortality is driven home with a sledge hammer, that their "conversion" becomes more probably. 
   
   Fear of death does that, I guess, although I'm not sure that it's "finding God" as much as allaying that fear...

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Unless of course you believe in reincarnation.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         True.  I haven't seen too many free souls floating around, looking for a vacant body, though, so that belief is also as foreign as that of God.

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      Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I've noticed that as people age they can go either way. The most vocal atheists are usually the older farts, just as the most irritating evangelical is usually the old guy who changed his tune. Advanced age appears to make people think they know what they are talking about. Even if no one agrees with them.

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         wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well, yes!  We old geezers know everything there is to know.
         
         Funny things is, though, that there is at least some truth to it.  I've had my nose rubbed into disagreeable facts often enough to know the world isn't as I think it should be - you youngsters all to often live in a fantasy world that way.

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            Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Are you a geezer? I was actually thinking about two men I know and Mark Knowles. And Qwark. I think that was his name. He was a funny old man.
            
            But, so you know. I don't consider you to be a vocal atheist. You are genuinely interested and interesting. It isn't as if you have an axe to grind or really care, past a point.

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   peeplesposted 11 years ago

   There are 2 70 something year old atheists on here that I know of. I think maybe you're god forgot to move them to that next stage.

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps it takes more than one lifetime.

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   getitriteposted 11 years ago

   

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't claim to possess logic. I choose to believe without it.
      
      You can insult me all you want, all is fair in love, war, and religious debates baby.

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I think wanting to discuss something but rejecting the use of logic = troll.

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            janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Think what you want.
            
            The use of logic as opposed to intuition is what I'm getting at.
            
            I choose to let God guide me.

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               Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               You're starting to scare me there, janesix. Is there a point to the madness today?

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                  janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Why? Because I have different opinions from most people?
                  
                  It doesn't bother me to make people uncomfortable with my beliefs.
                  
                  I know things that most people don't.

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                     psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't think that is the source of the discomfort. Do you really think anyone gets up, reads this forum and changes their religion?

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                     Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                     Tell us something most people don't know. Something really interesting.

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                        janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                        The universe runs on sexual energy. That's at least interesting to me.

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                           Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Now tell me something *I don't know.

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                              janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              
                              
                              I have an inkling you might be privy to more than I am

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                                 Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 We all have issues, I spose that is mine. Im working on it most days though.

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                           Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                           Tell me you are joking. If not, whose sexual energy? Ours?

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                              janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                              Life energy IS sexual energy.

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                                 Emile Rposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                 Now I'm confused. I have no idea what that means.

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                                    janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yeah, well, there it is. You can only understand it if God shows it to you directly.

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                                       Rad Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       God has showed you his sexual energy? Did something bad happen when you were young?

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                                          Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                          See what happens when I go to work and you have no one to debate with?

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                                    Deepes Mindposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                    I could be wrong, but I think I have a sinking feeling that I understand this statement

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                                       Jeramiposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                                       I can see where Testosterone, estrogen, and all those other hormones are the driving force behind most activity that goes on in the world.  For without these, many active people would lose their ambition to do many of the things they do.

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               getitriteposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               Here we go again.  A god, that you can't prove exists, is guiding you?  Could you please explain to us godless losers just how that works?  Fair?  Thanks.

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                  janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  No, I have no idea how it works.

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                  Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  You're obviously not a loser... we are basically the same, are we not? Being human.
                  Again, I wrote a hub called Ive heard the voice of God if you want personal answers to how God leads some of His followers. Beyond personal answers, the Bible of course is full of answers to that specific question.

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   Beth37posted 11 years ago

   It's interesting that not having something tangible makes some think logic was not used to come to the conclusion that there is a Superior Being.
   In trying to answer why I believe that God is... I wrote a hub called "Ive heard the voice of God."
   
   There are so many things that contribute to why we believe and what we believe and if you do not share the same experience as someone else, you are likely not to have the same belief system they do. This should not allow room for a lack of respect or kindness on either side imo. Either you truly seek to know why someone believes what they do, or you are only taking the opportunity to insult them for whatever that gains you.

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      janesixposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      My intention wasn't to insult.
      
      Most Christians, Muslims etc that I've run across believe blindly, for no real reason, mostly out of fear or whatnot.
      
      Athiest seem to reject God, which seems to me to be what happens right before a true religious breakthough.

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         psycheskinnerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         "Reject" is not a synonym for "not accept".  Unless you think my goldfish is an atheist.  Or a native of some far off land who never met a missionary is an atheist etc.

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         Beth37posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I didn't mean you specifically... I simply meant when ppl have this discussion, both sides tend to stop listening and start flinging the  insults. Ppl should actually listen to one another and then maybe assume they do not have ultimate knowledge. As I said, I do believe in God, fully and completely, but there are things I don't know and I'd be a fool to pretend I had no lack. Humility is hugely important when learning.

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