Why did God make the Sun and Moon appear to be the same size ?

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   janesixposted 10 years ago

   It looks pretty and makes nice, perfect eclipses.
   
   But what was God's purpose in doing this?

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      A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The moon is constantly moving away from the Earth, hence at one time there were no eclipses and that will occur again in the future. Hilarious.

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I see you have gas again today, I'm sorry.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Perhaps He just likes symmetry.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         No, I think He screwed up big time.
         
         At around 1/2 a billion years old He figured out that another Venus was in the making; a planet with way too much air and thus far too hot for His children. 
         
         So He smashed another planet into the earth, like a cue ball, at the right angle to make the moon and thus drag off much of the air.  (Sure wish I could see his cue stick!)
         
         Unfortunately, He messed up again and put it too close, so then redesigned the laws of gravity so that tidal forces would both slow the earth's spin (also made incorrectly) and move the moon further away.  We DO need at least some air, after all, just not what Venus calls an atmosphere. In the process He set it up so that 21st century people could look at that great bauble in the sky and wonder why it's just the right size (at this moment in time) to cover the sun.
         
         Unfortunately, He screwed the pooch again (He did that a lot in His creation); 21st century humanity understands enough of astrophysics to know it's just coincidence that the sizes of moon and sun match.  That it didn't a while back and won't in the future.
         
         He would have been better off to match those sizes a few hundred years ago, when the flat earthers still had control.  Then, the obvious conclusion would be that God did it for them but now...now we know better.  It's just gravity and the coincidence of when we were born.

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            Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Is the world revolving around you, yet again, wilderness?
            
            Just kidding. None of that implies a screw up. It tells me a series of events could have been set in motion to arrive at a predetermined point, or it could all be a meaningless chain of events that randomly brought reality to this point, or there is a god who finds humor in screwing with our heads. There could also be a limitless number of reasons. Those three were simply the first to pop up.

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               wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Naw - it should have been done right the first time, without playing pool with the solar system.  Obviously a screw up.
               
               The humor I hadn't considered, but it would have been a lot funnier if that giant symbol of eros suddenly appeared in the night sky one evening.  Can you imagine the effect as it suddenly appeared over NYC?  It'd make the blackout results look like a chastity ball.

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                  Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, they do like to say God is love, so that would play right into it.

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      Paul Wingertposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      How about put the coloring books away and pick up a book on astronomy and astrophysics and maybe that might help explain these things to you. Beware these science books use big words.

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         A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         

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   paradigmsearchposted 10 years ago

   The purpose of the moon is to intercept that inevitable, extremely large asteroid that is headed our way.

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That is only a coincidence:)

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      Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      haha

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   janesixposted 10 years ago

   The Sun's diameter is 400 times bigger than the Moon"s, AND it is also 400 times further away.
   
   What an amazing coincidence.

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      paradigmsearchposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Timing is everything... Us USA folks are going to miss it, but the website will show us.
      
      http://www.space.com/20768-april-full-m … lipse.html

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      calculus-geometryposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That is a pretty cool coincidence, never really thought about it before!

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It is super cool.
         
         I don't think it's a coincidence though.

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      Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That's awesome.

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   Zelkiiroposted 10 years ago

   Just give it a couple thousand years. Then the eclipse will make a halo!

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, yes, yes
      
      We just happen to be here right NOW when the sun and moon are where they are so perfectly.
      
      Coincidence of course.

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         Tealparadiseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Well the moon controls and affects many things in our environment, such as tides of the ocean.  Same with the sun and seasons etc.  So I wouldn't call it coincidence, I would say that we are only able to survive within this range.

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It happens to be that right now, yes. 
         
         It wasn't that way when Adam was created, when Moses walked the earth or when Jesus was here, and it won't be that way when he returns. 
         
         Coincidence of course.

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      jenb0128posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, we often get halo eclipses already (there was one last May that was visible in Asia and parts of western North America). They're called annular eclipses, and they are quite beautiful. In my opinion, they're even prettier than a total eclipse. The eclipse coming up next month will also be an annular eclipse, though as has already been pointed out, it won't be visible anywhere around here.
      
      The reason we sometimes have total eclipses and sometimes annular eclipses is because the distance between the moon and the earth isn't always exactly the same.

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   Tealparadiseposted 10 years ago

   Huh?  The appearance of the size of the moon varies daily.... doesn't it?  What?  Did I imagine that?
   
   I'm pretty sure I didn't.  Some days the moon looks quite large and others it seems smaller....
   
   Also the Earth's path around the sun is not a perfect circle, varying by millions of miles within a year if I remember correctly.  So, though I don't stare at the sun I am pretty sure its size varies as well.
   
   This topic is baffling me.

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      jenb0128posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct. The moon's orbit is not a perfect circle. It's more elliptical. This means it's sometimes closer than other times, which is why the sun and moon don't line up perfectly each time there's an eclipse. That's why some eclipses are annular and we see a halo or ring around the moon. Also, the moon's orbit is inclined, which varies things up a bit more (and is why we don't have an eclipse every month).

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   Emile Rposted 10 years ago

   Maybe it was done so that you could  have something to wonder in awe about.
   
   I'm not being flippant. Maybe the progression of history was designed so that, as we became more and more advanced, there would always be one more thing do sit back and say 'Hmm, why that?' about.
   
   Or, it could simply be that you are seeing wonder where none exists.

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   tacticallightposted 10 years ago

   Is this a serious question?
   
   Do you have any science background at all?

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      Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I love it when ppl join HP's, write a couple of articles, follow no one, are followed by no one, and still manage to find their way to the forums just in time to mock someone with differing beliefs. It took me a full day just to sign up, but then I don't have a huge science background either.

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         JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I love it when other people find these posts and use ad-hominem attacks against the person that they're criticizing for criticizing another person's beliefs (which are not above criticism at all) instead of actually responding to the post at hand.

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            Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I love it when another hubber comes along to criticism someone for criticizing someone who...
            Hi JM!

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               JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               always a pleasure, beth.

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                  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Did you want to comment on the subject or just critique my comments to other ppl?

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                     JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I would love to comment on the actual subject.
                     
                     I feel no need to assume that god created the sun and the moon at all, and the human inclination to see patterns everywhere, even in randomness, is a fundamental aspect of the human mind that is beautiful and unique.

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                        Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        I had commented twice on the first page. Im glad you have joined the conversation.

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                     A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     That would be a pleasant change.

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         tacticallightposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Oh shit, I started a religion argument.  Not what I meant.  have you ever gone outside when the moon is closest to the earth?  It is F-in huge!
         http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&g … 4QTV6YCACw
         
         I am not questioning your religious beliefs, but rather your observational skills.

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            Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            LOL... no you didn't... it's the debate that never seems to end around here. You're good.

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Not really.
      
      However, I have intelligence and special powers called "observation" and "the ability to research and read".
      
      I also have direct knowlege of certain things from God himself.

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         JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         can you prove that you have "direct knowledge and special revelation" from god himself?  Every time I've seen someone question you on this, you simply tell them that god does not do parlor tricks to be able to prove it to them.  It seems like a convenient excuse.

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            janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Nope, can't prove a thing.
            
            Ask God if you want proof, he'll give you plenty.

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               JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I did.  In the 20+ something years I was a christian and a missionary.  I asked him again as I started questioning whether or not he existed at all.  All he gave me was silence.

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                  janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  You aren't going to find God in a church.

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                     JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I didn't spend 24 hours a day 7 days a week in a church.

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            Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Why does she have to give you proof?

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               JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               because she is claiming to have direct, special revelation from god.  If that is true, then it should be demonstrable.  If she were not claiming to have this revelation, she would not be expected to provide evidence for it.

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                  Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  So what? This isn't a court of law. This is a discussion about the sun and the moon. Why can't she share her personal experience without you questioning her honesty?

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                     JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     I didn't question her honesty, I asked her if she had any proof to back up her supernatural claims.  I don't know her (or you for that matter) from Adam.  You're strangers on the internet - and as strangers, I feel no compulsion to accept things that people say on "faith".  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  That's the way things work.  If you're claiming to communicate with god and receive special revelation from him, there should be evidence.  Without evidence, there is no reason to accept these things at face value.
                     
                     Think about it this way.  If I told you that I had a dog, you would probably believe me.  Why?  Because it's not abnormal to have a dog.  Many people do.  Therefore, little evidence may be required.  If you visited my home, however, and you saw no dog bowl, no water dish, no toys, no noise, no fur or anything else, you may start to question my claim.  If, however, I claimed to have a herd of fairies living in my garage, you're not likely to believe me.  Why?  Because it's a more unusual claim.  You would want some evidence that what I said was true before simply, blindly believing me - especially since I'm a complete stranger, and you know nothing about me aside from what I've told you.

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                        Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Ludicrous, she owes you nothing. When a person speaks on faith, that *is normal. You don't have to believe it for it to be a norm in society.
                        
                        Think of it this way... you said you were saved at one point and you felt several of the ppl questioned whether or not you were actually saved. You seemed incensed about that... that ppl who didn't even know you would question your personal experiences... yet you do the same thing with this woman. I can't fathom that a woman can't speak of God without a total stranger coming up to her and saying "prove it." The gall it takes to come up with a demand like that is beyond me. Simple manners seem to disappear.

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                           JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           I didn't say she "owed" me anything.  She claimed supernatural experiences, and if you're going to make a claim like that, you should expect to be asked for evidence.  I don't understand how you seem incapable of fathoming that.  She certainly doesn't owe me evidence (or anything for that matter) but without it, you should not expect a complete stranger to believe your supernatural claims at all.  Are you so gullible that you just believe anything that anyone tells you - or do you only believe claims about god?

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                              Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              You were a believer at one time, so what is it you don't understand about her claims?
                              What proof do you want her to provide? Or do you already know she will say it is a matter of faith? Therefore you are not actually asking for proof, you would just debate anything she said anyway. You simply want to use her statements as a jumping off board to state your claims that God is false. When do you tire of debating? Do you really want ppl to share their experience? If God Himself appeared to you, would you give Him your heart or do you hate everything He stands for?

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                                 janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 Beth, like the rest of the unbelievers gang, he merely wants to bait me, probably hoping to get some kind of passionate emotional response out of me in which to mock.
                                 
                                 You know they love their circular arguments. It's a giant schoolyard for them, these religious forums. They don't really want our lunch money, they just enjoy the bullying part for the sake of bullying.

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                                    Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    Im not taking sides against her. I am not trying to build a gang type mentality against JM. I want her to be happy and have a good life. I just felt I had to address something with her personally b/c I felt she was being unjust. I think we only speak that plainly to ppl we feel have the ability to truly understand a different perspective. I feel that, from reading her bio and some of her hubs... that she has great ability for compassion for others. I just wanted to point out that even Christians are in need of compassion.

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                                       janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       I must have missed the part where she was brimming with compassion as she goaded me to provide proof for something she know I cannot.
                                       
                                       Now, I must go rescue some kittens from the house that's burning down next door.

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                                          Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          She let you have the last word... In my opinion she made the magnanimous choice.

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                                    A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    So, providing actual facts to a claim based on ignorance is bullying. In other words, your entire intent of starting this thread was to claim victimization.
                                    
                                    Are you also being persecuted?

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                                       Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Prove I haven't felt God's guidance. Prove my claims about Him aren't true. I'm not a liar and I'm not delusional. I wish you well, but you are lost in a very dark place. I'd help you if I could.

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                                          A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                          That's not how it works, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. And, since you have only empty claims, like everyone else who makes them, we can conclude it's all hogwash based no myth and superstitions.
                                          
                                          
                                          
                                          Yes, that's what they all say.
                                          
                                          
                                          
                                          Sorry, but reality is not a dark place, although believers certainly believe it is, hence their escape from reality into their religious fantasies.
                                          
                                          
                                          
                                          Help yourself, then.

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                                             Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                             The burden of proof is not on me. I have all the money in my bank account. You can't see it, but it's there. I am rich, you are lacking. I keep trying to put money in your account, you keep saying it's counterfeit. Nothing can be done till you stop wasting time on your mantra and take what you're being offered. I offer it in love. I may take a few jabs now and then, but that's just my personality slipping thru. Im a smart a$$, I can't help it, but I do wish the best for you senor.

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                                                A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                                Yes, it is.
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                Sorry, but a superiority complex only serves to show how morally bankrupt that account has become.
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                It is not money nor is it counterfeit, it is all just pure nonsense.
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                You offer nothing but ignorance and delusion based on indoctrinated religious beliefs.
                                                
                                                
                                                
                                                No, you don't, not by any stretch of the imagination.

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                                                   Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 That will not happen. He has not appeared to you or anyone else.

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                                    Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    Don't you have a TV?

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                        janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        What kind of "evidence" should I provide for you?
                        
                        I only have to look around at how the universe is put together to see evidence of God.
                        
                        If you want to find God, there are plenty of ways. I suggest meditation for starters.

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                           JMcFarlandposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           I look at the universe, and I see no proof for god at all.  I don't understand how looking at the universe, the earth, a tree, the sky or anything else provides proof for god.  We live in a wonderful world - there's no need to attribute its beauty and its majesty to anything other than the universe itself.

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                              janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              That's your opinion.
                              
                              I disagree.

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                                 A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, but the reason for that is religious indoctrination. You have no other explanations.

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                           A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry, but there isn't a shred of evidence for your God having done anything. Of course, you have not provided anything to support your claim of looking around the universe and seeing how it's put together. What is you see that shows your God?
                           
                           Scientists have been observing the universe a long time and have never found evidence for any gods, and in fact, see plenty of evidence showing the universe came about entirely on it's own, no gods required.

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                     A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Simple, her claims about the sun and moon are based on ignorance and others are attempting to cure the ignorance by offering facts.

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                        Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Says you.

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               A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Simple, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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         A Troubled Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It would appear God didn't graduate high school.

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