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   janesixposted 10 years ago

   "the closer we get to beauty, the closer we get to truth"
   
   What do you think about this statement?

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      Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It makes no sense at all.

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not even sure who said it. It might have been Einstein.
         
         Maybe the person who made the quote was meaning that reality is based on harmonic proportion, which is attractive to our senses.

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            Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Exactly how do you get that? Surely it could mean that emotional intelligence comprehends pure sensations? Or that wholeness opens quantum choices?

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               janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               It could mean anything to anyone, I guess.
               
               I equate beauty with the Golden Mean, and harmonic proportion. And I equate truth with reality.
               
               I was just wondering what other people thought.

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                  Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  I told you what I thought. Why not use the words you mean instead of words that have other meanings. i.e. "The closer you get to harmonic proportion, the closer you get to reality." or "Our consciousness gives rise to an expression of knowledge."?
                  
                  The original statement is meaningless.

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                     janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     That's fine. Thanks for your input.

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      Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I believe it was a quote by Daniel Tammet who was talking about his autism at the Ideafestival in 2010.

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Thank you. That must have been where I got the quote. I recently watched the video, and somehow mixed it up in my head:)
         
         I am currently watching more, because he is fascinating. How someone can see numbers like that is incredible. And to calculate in your head like that? So cool.

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            Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            It reminds me of the film the Matrix
            
            He doesn't see the numbers, he see's what they represent which in his case is colours = beauty.

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      kessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Truth is 100% objective and subjective.
      Truth is a neither here nor there, and both here and there.
      So therefore one is always closest as they can ever be to it, while at the
      same time always furthest away from it as they can ever be.
      
      Beauty as is commonly employed, represents the divide between the objective and the subjective, relegating the Truth of it into a lie.
      Example, I the subject look at you the object and conclude that You are ugly while I am beautiful.
      
      But I do concur that the ultimate of beauty is Truth itself.

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         BuddiNsenseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Pakka  is truth in beauty. The closer is truth when beauty is naughty.
         Object is subjective while subject objects.
         And all together the another wash out and broth make sit beautiful.

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      BuddiNsenseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      "What do you think about this statement?
      Verbal diarrhea??!!

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed, it is a rather meaningless statement, truth and beauty are not even remotely the same thing.

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Have you ever heard of metaphors? Poetry?

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      Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I would hope no one took themselves so seriously as to believe that. If that were true, we'd all be on the same path toward finding truth.

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I'm assuming, by using common sense, that no one takes this as anything more than a metaphor.

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            Emile Rposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Ok. So, what is the implied comparison?

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               janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I already said what I thought it meant. Or what it seemed to mean to me.
               
               I don't think people take things the same way, which is why I was wondering what other people thought about it.

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      Dr Lambposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      "The closer you get to the meaning
      The sooner you'll know that you're dreaming"
      
      "Well if it seems to be real, it's illusion
      For every moment of truth, there's confusion in life
      Love can be seen as the answer, but nobody bleeds for the dancer"
      
      Thoughts?

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      Dave36posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That's the kind of statement i love to leave ticking over in my mind, & the kind of question that would be great to ask whilst meditating (whilst not thinking)....I only just saw this question so no time for it to have been ticking over, but here goes anyway!lol...."the closer we get to beauty, the closer we get to truth".....When i see something beautiful i know it's beautiful because i "just know it is", it pleases my eye so to speak.....I don't need to think it's beautiful, but i wouldn't be able to explain why i think it is....So my body doesn't tell me it is, & neither does my mind.....My eyes see it, & i just know inside.....So what's inside me that knows if it isn't my body/mind?, i would say soul but that would upset a lot of people on here.

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   Beth37posted 10 years ago

   This should be interesting.
   http://www.closertotruth.com/episode-list

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Here's something that is so close to the truth, that it is truth:
      
      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/120223

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   lone77starposted 10 years ago

   janesix, powerful topic.
   
   Keats once wrote, "Beauty is truth, truth beauty," (Ode on a Grecian Urn). Glad I read that in high school.
   
   This is similar to the idea of Occam's Razor, but that tool of economy is not a one-size-fits-all implement. Sometimes it does more harm than good. An example I use in my latest book (The Bible's Hidden Wisdom, God's Reason for Noah's Flood -- soon to be published) concerns a jungle native attempting to understand the light bulb. Occam's Razor would take him in the wrong direction. He would need greater complexity -- not less. He would need to learn about conductivity, electricity, generators, electrical resistance, filaments, vacuums or inert gases, metallurgy, glass blowing and likely much more.
   
   Einstein believed in a simple universe. Simple for him, perhaps. Most people have no ability to understand Relativity. He supposedly once said that God does not throw dice, referring to quantum mechanics. He didn't believe in QM. That was his loss.
   
   I think there is something to the idea of Beauty and Truth. Einstein's ego got in the way of him appreciating the beauty of quantum mechanics. From my 63 years of experience, it now seems that ego is the source of a great deal of ugliness in the world -- perhaps even all evil. Ego is pure lie. Ego is the false self that keeps us separate; love is the truth that brings us together.

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      EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Do you even know what Occam's Razor is about? The principle states that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily or essentially, when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better.
      
      What does this have to do with educating natives about a light bulb?
      
      
      
      Most of us do have the ability to understand Relativity, just not the inclination.

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      Dr Lambposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I'm afraid you may not have an understanding of what Occam's Razor is. I'd edit that part of your book before you get laughed at. Occam's Razor eliminates the unnecessary not knowledge.

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