A PRODIO Thread [engineering the human body]

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   Prodioposted 10 years ago

   
   
   Some people might think that the engineering involved in the creation of the human body is quite basic and primitive.
   
   
   
   Well, I must ask: Has anyone ever created a biologically functioning human body from scratch? Because if anyone wants to create a perfect human body - then he/she must have the blueprint, and the detailed knowledge of the engineering process involved - at its atomic level. Well, actually, they need to know all about it at the subatomic level. Specifically speaking: they need to know about it at a deeper level than the subatomic level. I hope you can figure out what I'm talking about.
   
   
   Have you ever built a doll out of clay or cardboard? Did you paint its face - sculpt its eyes - or moved it along the floor as if it was walking?
   
   Let's say that you did. Now, the question is: Were you primitive? Was your creation primitive? I do think so. I can even point out that the engineers at Cyberdyne, or even Honda - are more advanced than you are. You were doing a child's play while they are doing the real thing.
   
   
   
   
   Now, here is the main question: Where does an electronic robot stand when its engineering is compared with the engineering of the human body?
   
   There are many things to point out. But something comes to (my) mind almost immediately: the human body can heal itself, while a robot can not. You know - there is much more. The precision of the movements of the human body (dancing, performing a medical operation, art, even cooking or bathing!), and its range - are incredible. While a robot can merely walk like a plastic nerd or play "hello!", out of its speakers.
   
   A robot can not bathe. If it does - its electric circuits would burn out. It can not swim in the ocean. It can not endure high temperatures. It can not climb the mountains. It can not touch, see, hear, taste, smell - and - it can not understand.
   
   The robot has no mind. It doesn't have consciousness. And - most importantly - it is not self-conscious.
   
   
   
   
   So - we can not create a perfect, functioning, biological human body, from scratch - though the atoms and molecules that constitute the human body - are everywhere around us. We have the same atoms, but we do not have the knowledge to coherently 'assemble' them, to create a living, breathing, reproductively capable human being.
   
   What is more disturbing - is this - that we can not create mind and self-consciousness. We can create only robots.
   
   
   Now, the question is: Are we primitive? Are our creations primitive? I do think so. I can even point out that the Engineer that created us - is more advanced than we are. We are doing a child's play while IT did the real thing. And we might not be as intelligent as we fancy we are.
   
   
   [By the way: robots do not look as handsome as we do!]

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      Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have. At least three times. It was amazingly easy for me and rather enjoyable. I understand it's not possible for everyone, but that's a matter for biologists and doctors.

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   EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years ago

   Why is this called "A PRODIO Thread"?

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      Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So - you're back again with your infantile emoticons?  hahahaha

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   EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years ago

   First of all, the premise is flawed, human bodies are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. There are things in our bodies left over from our ancestors that are no longer used.
   
   As well, the entire thread is a fallacy. You are comparing the results of billions of years of evolution to making something overnight. If scientists have billions of years to create something equivalent, they would leave out all the things evolution held onto, hence they would make a far more superior version of the human body.

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      Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That is a strange piece of twisted imagination. Thanks for offering it, though. 
      
      By the way - which of these two is more intelligent - scientists or evolution?
      
      
      
      
      
      
      Now think twice before entering 'A PRODIO Thread'!  hahahahaha!

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         EncephaloiDeadposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         It is interesting to observe believers who are so ill-informed about the world around them, they consider facts and evidence to be the result of twisted imagination, the very thing their religious beliefs demonstrate in spades.

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            Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            That's a boring reply. hahahaha!

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   wildernessposted 10 years ago

   Yet I have produced not one, but two, human beings.  I used 2 specific tools developed over billions of years to do it, and the result was two people as "perfect" as people ever are (not very, in other words).
   
   The "engineer" you imagine has thus done no more than I, except in volume.  It's "creations" are as far from perfect as can be and still live (sometimes they don't).  It took far longer to accomplish the goal than I did.  It used the tools of the universe, just as I did.  Not much difference, then, was there?
   
   (On a side issue, I have to giggle at the list of "can't" you apply to robots even as they are built and used for the very purposes you say they can't do.  Like visit the deep ocean.  Like fly up mountains.  Like perform surgery.  Like see the lines on a road.  Like hear and understand speech.  Like detect chemicals "smell" in far lower concentrations than humans every could.)

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      Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So who created the robots that can fly up the mountain wilderness?

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Well, one of my creations just happened; the other was well planned and worked at.  Interesting and pleasurable work, to be sure, but worked at nonetheless.

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            Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            That's quite a creative character and career. Keep up the spirit that runs amongst the creative community. And care for your creation. Because a robot can't do that.

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               wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               I believe it is illegal to sell either human beings OR the work necessary to produce them. 
               
               It's not too hard to convince people to undertake that work, however...

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                  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting life for a robot..
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  
                  "The same for space travel; robots all over the solar system (and beyond) - helping people, in other words, do what they cannot and go where they cannot with their pathetic, helpless little bodies.  hahaha"
                  
                  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2595668

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                     wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     It would be, wouldn't it?  Collecting dust from a comet.  Landing on Titan.  A flyby of Mimas.  Visiting Venus, or trucking around on Mars. 
                     
                     Most interesting, but we sad little humans will not see any such thing for many, many generations if ever.  Our inferior bodies just aren't up to it.

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                        Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Are you feeling the grip?

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                           wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Naw - the vastly superior grip of a robot would simply take your hand off.  Unless, of course, the robot decided otherwise
                           
                           We need to study and understand the three laws before we get serious about building robots.

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                              Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                              That has already been clarified by a guy who had some delightful life experiences.

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                                 wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                 Yes, of course, but few people have read the good Doctor.  Not even those who would create a robot, which could be a terrible thing if they are any good at creation.

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                                    Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                    You're almost closing in.

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                                       wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                                       Oh, been there and done that.  But I'm not good at creating robots, just people.  People are easy, but robots, with their vastly superior capabilities can be very difficult.
                                       
                                       Still, I haven't been able to make people with the three laws built in, and don't think anyone else has either.

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      Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      By the way - you then have many specialties in one robot? Ya, there are many walking down the street and helping people. hahaha

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         wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         There have been far more robots on the bottom of the sea than people.  Looking, tasting, smelling and listening.  Even taking temperature readings and collecting samples.  The same for space travel; robots all over the solar system (and beyond) - helping people, in other words, do what they cannot and go where they cannot with their pathetic, helpless little bodies.  hahaha

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            Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            You're learning fast!   hahahahaha!

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            Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            The schools, the colleges, the hospitals, the travel resorts, the restaurants, the prisons, robotics companies (what more?) - are all filled with robots!!

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               wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               That's because robots are superior to mere humans and usually do better work to boot. 
               
               Sad, but we are what we are - a sack of water and a few chemicals, destined to turn to dust in just a handful of years.  Very good at both creating and destroying more of the same, but that's about all.

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                  Prodioposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2595735

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