... ever notice when believers speak of God, invariably the debates will arise regarding and demanding proofs of his existence, ad nauseum ... yet ask naysayers for their adverse proofs, or any proofs or facts supporting evolution or related subjects, all one gets is theory and the latest updates of such from the local news parrots ... bottomline ... at least believers have an inerrant, unchanging fact book which supports history rather than the other way around ... God is a theory, is an opinion ... unsupported by fact ...
I don't know about an inerrant, unchanging fact book. Supported by history. But, I think those who 'believe' in God see his existence as fact. The theory and opinion comes in when they attempt to label that entity, assign attributes, work to make others believe that entity supports any religion over another, etc.
I could be wrong.
... see what i mean ... just rhetoric about Christians ... but never any factual data ... could it be there is none ... i'll stick with the real thing ... the Bible, a factual account of our world ... beginning and ending ...
Perhaps, if we try to deal with this in a rational and reasoned manner, instead of emotional tirades, we may be able to solve some problems.
I am retired and I do enjoy a good joust, so let us take our time and take this step by step.
Points of understanding:
You assert that a god/gods exist.
I assert that there is no reasonable proof that such things do exist.
You cannot reasonable prove your assertion of a godly existence.
I cannot prove non-existence. A negative cannot be proven.
You assert that because I cannot prove a negative, therefore the negative exists.
Is this where we are at?
For the sake of argumentation let us accept a common definition of, 'fact'. I have taken the liberty to Google the definition of fact and paste it here , "a thing that is indisputably the case." As you point to a bible as factual, your words, "the Bible, a factual account of our world ... beginning and ending.".
I have read most versions of the Catholic and Protestant Bibles, except for some mention of geography and cultures, I have noted no facts. If you can provide, lets say just five facts that shed any light on your assertion that the bible is the word of a god, the virgin birth, the resurrection of Jesus, the bringing of Lazarus back to life, and, the last, where are the original four gospels of Mathew, Mark, Luke and John in their hand. That we have written evidence of the Pharaohs of 3500 BCE, I am sure that you can produce or tell me where the original books of the bible are located, as they are much younger than the Egyptian stuff.
Atheism, as you know is just a statement without a philosophy, as opposed to a theism, which has many. Christianity is but one. For me, as an Atheist, I prefer the identification of Sapien, a reasoning being, but as an Atheist I will gladly try to answer any ten questions that you might pose.
Arguing generalities serves no purpose, so lets see if we can be more specific and solve the greatest question facing Mankind. Is there or is there not a god/gods?
Hopefully I will hear from you and all that factual information.
... as i said earlier ... we are not that dissimilar in our makeup ... but i'm too old to joust anymore ... we can discuss though open forums do leave room for the less considerate (see above) to "trash talk" or make insipid remarks hoping for a response to give them relevance ... i see you have experience the similar and worse in other forums ... if you would like to trade email addresses and talk there, that would be fine with me ... and in either case, i will try to show a proper respect for your position, especially since you are a brother bluebelly, even though i may disagree ...
... i have read your comments a couple times and am puzzled (truly, not a barb) if you are an atheist or an agnostic ... though you state to be the first, there is a sense of the second in that you search for or are open that which would bring the knowledge of the existence God ...
... as to your summation of positions ... for the sake of foundation, i think your first 4 points are probably as close as we might get to where we are for now, although i am not a pantheist as i believe in only one God, the God of the Bible ... as to last, i am still digesting that one ... philosophy in the form of syllogy has always been hard for me ... got kids and grandkids this week and weekend so responses may be slow coming ...
Email sounds good and we do have a great deal in common and I will not give up on you. My grandchildren are 2500 miles away. I envy you.
How would that qualify as rhetoric against Christians? Most Christians I know wouldn't make that claim.
God is not a theory. A theory needs supporting facts and evidence. A theory is always under review and tested. Theories are made to be disproven. God is a myth. Huge difference!
It's a theory
Global pubic option is far greater
Belief in the existence of a divine reality; usually referring to monotheism (one God), as opposed to pantheism (all is God), polytheism (many gods), and atheism (without God). Theistic religions such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all have the monotheistic belief in a God, whereas a polytheistic religion such as Hinduism holds a belief in many gods.
What is meant by, "Global public opinion?" Are you saying that what is believed by the majority carries a greater truth? Did not the majority of the world populations believe the word to be flat?
The Bible kept them dumb, most common folk thought the Bible said, the world was flat (for 1500 years.)
Global public opinion is a collective conscious opinion by 80% or more of the people starting in grass root locally, expanding Globally
Two super powers
Public Global opinion and American Military/Prison complex
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