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~ What if You Try to Prove to Aborigines that a City like LA Exists ~

  1. God shet profile image60
    God shetposted 3 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/11926766_f520.jpg

    http://s2.hubimg.com/u/11926773.jpg


    I am trying to establish the fact the God is a part of the totality of the reality that we inhabit. But it's quite like the scenario of convincing aborigines that a city like LA or Las Vegas exist in the same world where they live in. They might only believe you if you show them a video or photographs of these places. And there is still much doubt how much even these (photographic) 'evidences' would convince them.

    1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
      Righteous Atheistposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I think you might want to look up the word "fact".

      What a horrible analogy. LA actually exists. wink

      1. God shet profile image60
        God shetposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        "What a horrible analogy. LA actually exists. wink"

        ~ Of course to 'YOU' Los Angeles definitely exists.

        1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
          Righteous Atheistposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Well, I know you have not travelled much, but I assure you it exists for YOU also. wink

          1. God shet profile image60
            God shetposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Glad to know that you can speak for yourself.

            1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
              Righteous Atheistposted 3 years agoin reply to this

              Ah well - that is the difference between reality and belief. When I claim LA exists - it doesn't matter what I believe - it exists for everyone. You can go check for yourself.

              Hence the fact that your analogy is horrible. LA actually exists. wink

              1. God shet profile image60
                God shetposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Have you ever tried to take an aborigine to LA?

                1. Righteous Atheist profile image60
                  Righteous Atheistposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Dear me. No wonder god-belief causes so many fights. sad

                  1. God shet profile image60
                    God shetposted 3 years agoin reply to this
    2. wilderness profile image100
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct; aborigines are familiar with paintings and even pictures and are quite aware that both can be faked.  The answer, of course, is to take them there, producing the city for them to see and experience.  You could perhaps do the same thing with a massive education effort ("See? Here is how you make concrete and steel; here is how you make a big building.  Here is how you grow food for all the people, here is how you make trucks to get it there.  Here is how you get water, here is how you make power for them".  Eventually their knowledge base might be large enough to encompass the possibility, but it does take a lifetime.

      In the case of a god, produce that god and everyone will believe just like the aborigine will.  Or educate the people ("See?  Here is where the god lives, here is how he makes things.  Here is how he inserts thoughts into your head, here is how he made a universe with stars").  The only problem here is that we cannot do any of those things as we can't see it and don't know how it was done.

  2. psycheskinner profile image82
    psycheskinnerposted 3 years ago

    Um, all it would take is that they trust you have seen it in the literal sense of seeing things, that you are sane, and you are truthful. Just like convincing anyone of anything.

    1. wilderness profile image100
      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Such trust is going to be hard to come by as the claim violates their own closely held and trusted concepts of the gods (nearly all undeveloped cultures contain such beliefs).  Not impossible, just difficult.

      1. psycheskinner profile image82
        psycheskinnerposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        I see nothing obvious about a big ass city existing being contrary to animist or polytheist and other common subsistence belief systems. For example, the Maori in New Zealand had no trouble believing the British came from a really distant place with a city called London.Nor were they slow to adopt things they could use from that place.  The first New Zealand town to have electricity and street lights was a Maori village.

        1. wilderness profile image100
          wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

          Whups!  You're right - I'm tying the analogy to the stated purpose of showing a god.  My error.

    2. God shet profile image60
      God shetposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "All it would take is that they trust you have seen it in the literal sense of seeing things, that you are sane, and you are truthful. Just like convincing anyone of anything."


      ~ Interesting advice for an atheist.

 
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