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  1. God shet profile image60
    God shetposted 9 years ago

    What do I think happens when we die? I think we enter into another stage of existence or another state of consciousness that is so extraordinarily different from the reality we have here in the physical world that the language we have is not yet adequate to describe this other state of existence or consciousness. Based on what I have heard from thousands of people, we enter into a realm of joy, light, peace, and love in which we discover that the process of knowledge does not stop when we die. Instead, the process of learning and development goes on for eternity.

    -  Raymond Moody, from Paranormal: My Life in Pursuit of the Afterlife


    My contention is that God (the entity that we popularly call 'God') is a part of reality: 'God' is real.

    God created (and perhaps It is still creating) the universe the way we human beings have created 'softwares'. The core principle that underlie here is this:  that to apply our creativity ~ we need some medium ~ something 'concrete' and 'stable' that we can manipulate according to our wish. If you think about it this way:  All the good things that human beings have 'ever' come up with ~ medicine and surgery, machines, science and technology, art and architecture ~ are all 'inferior versions' of what was already there in the universe before we appeared here: the universe displays incredible precision.

    We might fancy that our doctors (medical professionals) have mastered all about biology and have 'godlike' knowledge and expertise. Even a good doctor often struggles to cure as simple a physical disorder, as a skin rash. They can't cure the deaf, the blind, and an array of such disorders. The human body is such a sophisticated piece of engineering that we take this masterpiece for granted. If it were a clumsy one ~ we might have.

    The entire universe is an incredibly delicate piece of artistic engineering. We take 'it' for granted because it is utterly beautiful and utterly awe-inspiring.

    How did  'God'  do it:  God began with creating something like a 3D software. To successfully use a 3D software ~ It invented something like an operating system. To successfully use an operating system ~ It had to invent the necessary hardwares and the energy required to power the entire system. In brief: God had to conceive a system (from scratch) ~ think out how to build this system ~ to generate the essential data that is required to launch something like the universe. Only a 'software-like' system could provide the kind of mathematical precision that we witness all around us.

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      Deborah Sextonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      God spoke everything into existence.
      Software !??

      1. God shet profile image60
        God shetposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        I've given much thought how God might have created the universe. I'm convinced - by observing the kind of perfection that everything in the universe displays - that God has done it mathematically.  Artistic mathematics.

    2. wilderness profile image94
      wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Fascinating.  Moody believes that "we enter into a realm of joy, light, peace, and love in which we discover that the process of knowledge does not stop when we die." for no other reason than that he has talked to thousands of others (which is doubtful) that all believe the same, and all presumably base the belief on the fact that each other believes.

      Now you believe, also presumably because others believe (why else post the quote?) and go on to make up new theories about creation, still without anything to support them.

      What happened to old fashioned reason, logic, observation or testing before coming to conclusions?  Is imagination all we need now to answer all of life's questions?  Just make up answers, convince a thousand others to believe and therefore it must be true?

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        Deborah Sextonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

        Moody is well known in the spiritual world, so I'm sure he has spoken to tens of thousand.
        He's been around for years and yous. Leonard Nimoy endorsed him, and they were together once when I heard Moody speak
        I believe because of God, not man. I had never gone to church, when God revealed to me, some truths about himself

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          wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

          Moody may have spoken to tens of thousands, but I highly doubt he has listened to that many.  Certainly Obama has spoken to millions, via TV, but listened to only a handful.

          I trust you questioned those truths, and investigated then thoroughly before swallowing the tales.  You tested, both for veracity (and determined the truths came from above, not from someone's mouth) and for fact.  And when you were through testing and questioning...you ignored the questions and tests because no one can prove a god's existence but you want to believe anyway?

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            Deborah Sextonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            I go by my experiences, and life, not others, thank you
            How about you, ever try to listen with your spirit?
            After years and years (About 30 or more) in the public eye, I'm sure he's listened to tens of thousands
            He held group workshops and taught, He also held one on one sessions.
            Just because you think it, doesn't make or so
            It also doesn't take away from what I know.

            Even when we read scripture, we've already read many times over, we approach it on many levels

            The Jewish sages identify four levels of interpretation of the Scriptures, called (pardes), an acronym formed from:
            1.  P'shat (literal meaning based on historical intent of author)
            2.  Remez (hint, allusion, analogy, allegory)
            3.  D'rash (application, exposition)
            4.  Sod (looking for the mystery, "deep" meaning)
            We are taught to investigate, and try everything. You don't have a patten on research

            A closed mind is as bad as a deceived mind. I will always listen to everything, and decide for myself. At least MY mind is open.
            You think you can hide your insults, and it'll be okay

            1. wilderness profile image94
              wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

              ?? No insult intended; just a discussion of the differences of rationale and thinking processes when dealing with real life events vs those of religion. 

              For there is a vast difference, and your post hear bears that out.  You did not indicate any testing logical inferences or observations for your religious views; just experience.  Experience wherein events are laid at the feet of a god without ever checking to see it if is so - where no tests are ever made to determine causality and the default is "God did it". 

              Yes, a closed mind is as bad (or worse) than a deceived one.  And until you open that mind and truly use it to find truth instead of making conclusions based on emotion, subjectivity and desire you will be deceived by your own wants.

              There is absolutely nothing "wrong" somehow with beliefs, just with trying to put them onto others.  Trying to call your beliefs Knowledge, and wondering why others don't see them that way.  Assuming that your belief is the "right" one, and somehow "knowing" that everyone disagreeing is wrong.  Communication would be much enhanced if belief is just recognized for what it is and as much veracity given to the beliefs of others as to our own.

              1. God shet profile image60
                God shetposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                Do you think that the human mind is capable of 'knowing' anything as it really is?

                1. wilderness profile image94
                  wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  If the human mind can make up things, it can also make up truth.  It will be coincidence if the imagined is also true, but it can happen.

                  So yes, the human mind can also know things as they really are.  Whether we can know whether our "knowledge" is real is another matter; as knowledge is constantly growing and changing it becomes a matter of usefulness, not absolute truth.

                  Example: pi is known to be 3.1415.  Except it is not; it is 3.1415926.  Except it isn't; it is 3.14159265359.  Except it isn't that, either.  The point being, where does the knowledge stop being useful and become just pure knowledge that we cannot use, where the change from "old" knowledge is so slight that it just doesn't matter?

                  1. God shet profile image60
                    God shetposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    That's an impractical answer.

                  2. God shet profile image60
                    God shetposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                    How do we determine who is 'seeing' the real thing, and who is 'getting' the unreal impression of it?


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