The question Christians won't answer

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   janesixposted 10 years ago

   I have asked Christians this before, and all I get is avoidance of actually answering the question. They will go around it, and refuse to actually say yes or no.
   
   If, like Abraham, God ordered you to kill someone, would you do it?
   
   It really is a simple yes or no question. The answer speaks volumes, if I were to ever get an answer.

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      SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      If God told me to do it, yes I would. The problem is that many do it without even knowing the order came from God.  It isn't as cut and dried as you might think.

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         janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         At least you answered. I have to give you credit for that.

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         Aime Fposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Would you require a reason? Would the reason impact your decision?

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            SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            God would not need to give me a reason.  He knows and sees all things.  I will say this.  I would make absolutely sure it was God telling me to do it before I did it.

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               flpalermoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               That's exactly what "Son of Sam" said in New York when he killed so many people years ago. "God spoke to me" was his answer to why he did it. Just about every single murderer claims God made him do it. Be careful if you "hear" God talking to you.

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                  LeslieAdrienneposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  Son of Sam did hear a "god" talking to him, it just wasn't Almighty God.....

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      lone77starposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Janesix, I would answer "no." God would never ask such a thing.
      
      First of all, you have to realize that the first 5 books of the Bible were written by Kabbalists in code.
      
      Read that again. Kabbalists wrote the Bible in code.
      
      The lesson of Abraham is not a literal request for killing, but is a metaphor for the feelings of self-concern that one must go through in order to approach God and to walk with Him. Too many (both believers and atheists) take the Bible literally and miss everything! And I'm just starting to learn the Bible's true meaning. I have a long way to go. My Southern Baptist minister grandfather wouldn't recognize the Bible I've come to know.
      
      The lesson of Abraham was one of attachment and selfishness to the point of blinding oneself from Truth. The lesson was one of finding the spot within Ego (self-concern) that one must let go of in order to make progress toward Love.
      
      Would God ever ask that I kill someone? Never! God is Love. Would Love ever require killing someone? Perhaps. Even though the Kabbalists wrote Genesis in code, there may be some literalness in it. I don't know for certain, but the new timeline discovered in Genesis matches with science on the point of a big event which eliminated a very specific species (called the "daughters of men" in Genesis 6). Was it a literal Flood? We don't know. But Homo neanderthalensis is no longer a threat to the human gene pool, to the formation of civilization, and the foundations of reason.
      
      Killing human bodies for the sake of protecting the redemption of God's children (the spirit within those temporary vessels) is a good thing. Killing humans out of delusion (hearing voices) or because of selfishness (Ego) is a bad thing.
      
      God would never ask such a thing. But Love may occasionally require it.
      
      You and your family are at a mall and a madman starts spraying the crowd with bullets. Nearby is a mall guard, dead, but with a loaded gun in his hand. More people die every second. What do you do? Shoot the madman in the leg? Perhaps. If that can stop him long enough to be disarmed. Kill him? Perhaps. That could save many others and reduce the amount of suffering. If we perform this act with love of everyone there, including the madman, then we are following Love (God). If we do it out of fear or anger, then we are following the Master of this world -- Ego.

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   flpalermoposted 10 years ago

   Why would you ask this question? Have you not been taking your mental illness medication? (I couldn't help to voice that thought.) Why would God ask YOU to kill some one?

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      Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Well - she already had one self professed Christian agree he would kill some one if god told him to....
      
      Would you?

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      Aime Fposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I think it's a great question. It'd be interesting to hear how far they would go if they thought God was telling them to do something and how they come to that answer.

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         Righteous Atheistposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Agreed. I notice many religionists get very defensive when asked a reasonable question based on the bible. I wonder if they actually have faith or just claim to have it.

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         SirDentposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         One problem I have with your post.  I bolded the word I have a  problem with.  This seems to be a problem many have because they are not believers in God, everyone else must only think they can know Him.
         
         Now, if I hear His voice, which I have several times in my walk with Him, I will heed His voice.  I do not always hear His voice but every now and then I do.  I know His voice.

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            wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            Presumably you do not hear Him with your ears, but with your mind/soul.
            
            How to you distinguish His voice from your own?  What are the limiting factors you use to determine it is God and not your own conscience or mind?

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               lone77starposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Brilliant question, Wilderness.
               
               This touches on the difference between delusion and bliss.
               
               Delusion doesn't see reality. Bliss sees all of reality and a lot more. With divine bliss, there are miracles. With delusion, only tragedy and suffering.

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   flpalermoposted 10 years ago

   Why would you ask this question? Have you not been taking your mental illness medication? (I couldn't help to voice that thought.) Why would God ask YOU to kill some one?

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Actually, I take my medication daily. Thanks for your concern.

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   LeslieAdrienneposted 10 years ago

   First clarification:
   God did not "order" Abraham to "kill" his son.  God "asked" Abraham to "sacrifice" his son. Abraham could have said no without suffering any consequence.
   
   The simple answer to your question is this... If God "ordered" it, than God has made the provision in the heart for the person to carry our the "order". If God "asked" it, than God has also made the provision within the persons heart so that the person could choose without fear to obey or not to obey.
   
   You've got to get to know God for yourself and not from the complaints of those who are anti-God....

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So you won't answer the question. Why am I not surprised?

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   Deb Killionposted 10 years ago

   Right, Leslie. I am a Christian and there were times in the Old Testament when God did ask some of his people to do just that, and they did. But some had problems with it. He would never ask us to do that today, however, since we are under the New Law. And it is NOT a simple yes/no question. But since he would not ask such a thing now and in our time, the question is moot.

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      LeslieAdrienneposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      agreed.....

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 10 years ago

   Maybe the Bible was written for ancient people in ancient times. Maybe we should just get with today's program. Science and Jesus need to be understood as coming from the same place. We have a lot to learn. How are we going to figure out Reality today? HOW???
   (That is my comment.)

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      janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have know idea how to figure out reality.

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         lone77starposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Interesting Freudian slip, Janesix.
         
         You said, "I have know idea how to figure out reality."
         
         Knowingness is exactly the right word for figuring out reality and a lot more.
         
         But such knowledge (through spirit) doesn't come to you by you waiting to be hit over the head with it. It only comes from perfect and fearless confidence, but utter humility (removal of self-concern).
         
         Perhaps you meant that you have "no" idea how to figure out reality. But the state of spiritual perfection is at Know. This is also the level of creation, but without persistence.
         
         Persistence is achieved at "Not Know." And us humans view reality through "Know About" and lower levels of awareness.

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            janesixposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            I've tried meditation and all sorts of things. Sometimes I thought I 'knew". Now I'm just more confused than ever.

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   Paul Wingertposted 10 years ago

   The evolution of God: Back in the day (according to the Babble, oops I mean Bible) he went from an insecure psychopath serial killer of men, women, and children, that approved of rape (he did it himself when he raped Mary), murder, slavery and craps on women to an all knowing and loving god that answers our prayers. But he lets 20,000 kids die everyday of starvation so I guess one thing hasn't changed!

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