Before you read these below, please note that I included many translations to show the whole of the meanings of the original Hebrew as English words do not carry the weight of Hebrew word for word. You will see they get the same point across though.
These show a very straightforward and matter of fact kind of mindset.
KJV - 2Sa 22:27 -
With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself unsavory.
NKJV - 2Sa 22:27 -
With the pure You will show Yourself pure; And with the devious You will show Yourself shrewd.
NLT - 2Sa 22:27 -
To the pure you show yourself pure, but to the wicked you show yourself hostile.
NIV - 2Sa 22:27 -
to the pure you show yourself pure, but to the crooked you show yourself shrewd.
ESV - 2Sa 22:27 -
with the purified you deal purely,
and with the crooked you make yourself seem tortuous.
NASB - 2Sa 22:27 -
With the pure You show Yourself pure, And with the perverted You show Yourself astute.
KJV - 2Sa 22:28 -
And the afflicted people thou wilt save: but thine eyes [are] upon the haughty, [that] thou mayest bring [them] down.
NKJV - 2Sa 22:28 -
You will save the humble people; But Your eyes are on the haughty, that You may bring them down.
NLT - 2Sa 22:28 -
You rescue those who are humble, but your eyes are on the proud to humiliate them.
NIV - 2Sa 22:28 -
You save the humble, but your eyes are on the haughty to bring them low.
ESV - 2Sa 22:28 -
You save a humble people,
but your eyes are on the haughty to bring them down.
KJV - Job 5:13 -
He taketh the wise in their own craftiness: and the counsel of the froward is carried headlong.
NKJV - Job 5:13 -
He catches the wise in their own craftiness, And the counsel of the cunning comes quickly upon them.
NLT - Job 5:13 -
He catches those who think they are wise in their own cleverness, so that their cunning schemes are thwarted.
NIV - Job 5:13 -
He catches the wise in their craftiness, and the schemes of the wily are swept away.
ESV - Job 5:13 -
He catches the wise in their own craftiness,
and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end.
NASB - Job 5:13 -
"He captures the wise by their own shrewdness, And the advice of the cunning is quickly thwarted.
RSV - Job 5:13 -
He takes the wise in their own craftiness; and the schemes of the wily are brought to a quick end.
YNG - Job 5:13 -
Capturing the wise in their subtlety, And the counsel of wrestling ones was hastened,
KJV - Job 5:12 -
He disappointeth the devices of the crafty, so that their hands cannot perform [their] enterprise.
NKJV - Job 5:12 -
He frustrates the devices of the crafty, So that their hands cannot carry out their plans.
NLT - Job 5:12 -
He frustrates the plans of the crafty, so their efforts will not succeed.
NIV - Job 5:12 -
He thwarts the plans of the crafty, so that their hands achieve no success.
YNG - Job 5:12 -
Making void thoughts of the subtle, And their hands do not execute wisdom.
Any thoughts or opinions about any of this ?
Do you find this offensive or just ? Fair or unfair ?
Do you find any of it intervening ? Butting in ? Proactive ?
Keep in mind that this goes for all of humanity.
It is all truth what more can be said?
Maybe an opinion here though as in response to the questions you posed:
I find it is just and
I find it is both intervening and proactive
It was demeaning ,rude and unloving and in that respect distructive to the love Jesus preached!
Ah! Agreement between our two resident zealots. I guess you need to stick together, other religious people here that are reasonable have left you two holding the thin edge of credulity!
If they don't stick together they will tumble down, just like humpty dumpty
I'm a believer in God and I'm like WTF? both of them need to stop preaching and leave ppl alone. let them believe whatever they want to believe.
I realize Shaul is trying to get the word out there however
http://bible.cc/2_samuel/22-27.htm researching on line, copying the information and not understanding the complete meaning of what he is saying is causing a heated debate which is not necessary and it is not what Jesus would do. We are supposed to lead not defy him and before anyone creates a forum such as the one were everyone's name was placed that were believe to be mockers you should have prayed on it because that is not what Jesus would have you do. Start reading your scriptures so that you can rebuttal more effectively and remember what would Jesus do? You are a babe in Christ who wants to shout to the entire World but my dear you are not going in as a loving brother of the Lord and you are turning the cheek on others.
Write, words of wisdom that has what has gotten me to this far of course Jesus loves you but slow your roll step back and always ask What would Jesus do?
Been studying and been a believer for 30+ years.....you have no clue what I am about.....I do not goose step to humanism and Christianity mixtures as you do.
No Shaul you just like to step on other ppl's toes with your words. You may have great music but seriously you need to step out of the Religion section and leave ppl to believe what they want.
You do not know me either so judge and you to shall be judged say what you choose to say and pray before you write.
May God Bless you I will pray that God gives you knowledge.
No reply necessary.
Even as a non believer I see AEvans has a much more loving god than the OP. I never see AEvans talking down to people like the OP does either.
If you want to pick on good hubbers with class like AEvans, you will take on everyone on your hate list as well.
Nobody on that list has your attitude towards others because they hold different beliefs, so I guess the atheists and other categories of non believers are better at "religious" behavior than you are!
Amen! I like how AEvans speaks her mind in an intellectual way and yep she doesn't talk down to anyone. that is why she is such a great person!
I agree completely. There are many religious people I respect, but not just because they are religious, but because they allow others to think for themselves, not because someone such as Shaul or atomswifey( I bet atom could tell us a few things) says so.
URGENT message to all believers at the link below.
Please read BEFORE you reply in here again.
Spam spam spam spam spam!!! lmao I can't believe he spammed his own thread
Crap..if it is in red...it must be something I should obey without question...but it was addressed to "believers"...so I get a pass...
I didn't click the link but I bet it's something to do with cherry kool-aid.
lol nope it links to his other obnoxious post about the non believers lol
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