42 months of the beast

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   I believe in God, the father of Jesus but I do not worship the Church. The Church is a good place to be introduced to the Lord,a good place for true Christians meet and study together, but do not worship the Church!!
       Daniel 9:1    In the first year of Darius ...538 BC
       Daniel 9:26  Gabriel told Daniel that it shall be 62 weeks and they will kill the messiah
        
        Debated year of crucifixion 26, 28, 30, and 33 AD
        From 538 BC  til 33 AD = 568 years
        from 538 BC  til 26 AD = 564 years
   
        Gabriel's 62 weeks = 568 years ?.. 1 week = 9.2 years
        Gabriel's 62 weeks = 564 years ?.. 1 week = 9.1 years
   
        let's just say that 1 prophetic week = 9.13 earth years
   
        42 months =  180 weeks X 9.13 years = 1643.4 years
   
        2012 - 1643.4 =  369 AD
   
        The Roman Catholic Church had 10 POPES.
        One of the heads received a deadly wound when one of the Popes was deposed by the Emperor in 365 AD.  In 369 AD Pope Liberius was recalled by the Emperor to reclaim his seat as Pope in Rome.  The head recovered from a deadly wound and God gave 42 months for the Roman Catholic Church to Blaspheme the Lord.
       The Roman Catholic Church is the mother of all Christian religions.
       The Lord sent his two witnesses  (Candle Sticks) to dwell on the earth. One among the Christian church and one among the False prophet's churches.  Good and evil dwelling together among the religions of the earth. This comes to an end after 1260 days (same as 42 months)
   
    
   
        That 42 months will be fulfilled in the year 2012.
   
                MIGHT    BE    TRUE  ?  Is it possible
        If this MIGHT  be tru, then we MIGHT need to rethink thousands of Interpretations ???

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      Lady_Eposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      2012? I don't think so.
      
      We will be busy hosting the Olympic games in London though, in 2012.

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      fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Will the intricacies of the 42 months as mentioned in Revelations be fulfilled within 3 years...in your opinion?

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   mobilephone guideposted 15 years ago

   well, all i can say is that. I'm excited.

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      PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Why are yer family eventually eating you ?

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   God and his messenger Angel(Gabriel)can be trusted to tell the truth.
          IF we as Christians can believe the word of God, should we INTERPRET this message given in Daniel chapter 9 to mean something else?
          What if our interpretation of something that one of the disciples said, 590 years later, seems to contradict God's message?
          What do we do when our interpretations of things that the disciples said seem to contradict the word of Jesus Christ
   
          I guess that if we do not like what Jesus and his father are saying, or where this message would logically lead, there is nothing to do but interpret it away.
          
          Matthew 24:24   For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs; insomuch that, if it were possible,  THEY SHALL DECEIVE THE VERY ELECT.
          
          What if this has already been accomplished?
          
          Almost 2000 years ago Jesus said that if possible they will deceive the very elect.
   
   
          Think about it.  If this false Christianity were to begin tomorrow, how much more unChrist like could it be than what is described in history. History of THE CHURCH from 370 - 1600
          IF this is actually the message from God, given to Daniel, (I week = 9.13 years) and we rejected it without giving it a second thought,   What Would Jesus Do? ...

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   I did not post this thread as an ambush.
        
        
         I made a simple statement
   
         I would appreciate to hear a simple answer.   
          
         I believe that this is a plausible possibility
        
         What is your opinion?
         I do want to hear it.
         You have the floor.
         Pretend I'm not here.
   
         I be will back tomorrow afternoon
     Thanks

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   Jeramiposted 15 years ago

   the 62 weeks began in 538 BC and ended between 26 and 33AD
   
        it shall be 7 weeks after the 62 is finished unto
   MESSIAH THE PRINCE
        
         THAT Hebrew Nation has one more week to quit sinning and anoint the Most Holy
   
         That seventy weeks would have to have been finished before THAT Hebrew Nation ceased to exist.
   
         It ceased to exist around 138 AD
   
         The seventy weeks of Daniel most assuredly have been fulfilled.
   
         In 138 AD  the woman described in Rev. 12 was carried away into the wilderness and ....
         12:15  and the Dragon cast out of his mouth water as a flood (Lies ind false interpretations) after the woman and the earth swallowed them up (believed it all).
   
         The dragon must have been the one to say ..
   " yaul go ahead,  you can interpret scripture any way
   you want! to"  I sure that God or Jesus did not say that !

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   Sanctus Vesaniaposted 15 years ago

   You rely too heavily on Gabriel. 
   
   2 Timothy 3:16
   All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
   
   Reproof - 1) a proof, that by which a thing is proved or tested
   
   2) conviction
   
   
   Why are you so persistent in trying to make us believe that Jesus Christ has already come?

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

           You hit the nail on the head. That is my problem.
      I do rely too much upon the word of God. What God said.
      Gabriel was Gods TEX- Messager so to speak. What Gabriel said was according to what GOD told him to say. I do not interpret the word of God.  Foundation of my belief system !!
            Jesus .."The word of God"  I do not interpret what he says either.
            The disciples. They sometimes says stuff that has to be interpreted in order for that to conform to what GOD said.
      
            The powers of interpretation have been working for almost 2000 years.
      
            I am wanting to begin at the beginning with a basic TRUTH and wait and see where it may lead. 
            One step at a time and then we will discuss other issues.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Within this ample volume lies
   The mystery of mysteries.
   Happiest they of human race
   To whom their God has given grace
   To read, to fear, to hope, to pray,
   To lift the latch, to force the way;
   But better had they ne’er been born
   That read to doubt or read to scorn
   
   Sir Walter Scott

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

           That read to doubt or scorn.
           
           I am not doubting or scorning scripture.
       
           I am scorning interpretation of scripture when it is TOooo
      simple to understand when we read it starting with the word of GOD and then including what everyone else says ..IF.. it fits in with the word of God
           My intentions when I posted this was not to debate the issue. I would like for all of you to prove anything that I have said in this thread as being WRONG.

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   Make Moneyposted 15 years ago

   Well we have already been through that in a couple of other threads Jerami.  You were shown with Biblical proof that your preterist view is false but you didn't believe it.
   
   You have said in other threads that if the writings of the apostles in the Bible contradict Jesus' words in the Bible (the ones in red in your Bible) they are to be avoided.  But they don't contradict what Jesus says.   
   
   Jerami you don't seem to realize that what you are trying to do is fit the Bible into your own interpretation.  The Bible is right.  If you are finding contradictions between Jesus and His apostles then you are understanding the Bible wrong.

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      Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I am starting to understand...  I rely too much upon the things that God said. I rely too much upon the things that Jesus and Gabriel said. I do not pay enough attention to the things that the desciples said.

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   earnestshubposted 15 years ago

   More of gods word.
   
   The LORD is a jealous God, filled with vengeance and wrath.  He takes revenge on all who oppose him and furiously destroys his enemies!  The LORD is slow to get angry, but his power is great, and he never lets the guilty go unpunished.  He displays his power in the whirlwind and the storm.  The billowing clouds are the dust beneath his feet.  At his command the oceans and rivers dry up, the lush pastures of Bashan and Carmel fade, and the green forests of Lebanon wilt.  In his presence the mountains quake, and the hills melt away; the earth trembles, and its people are destroyed.  Who can stand before his fierce anger?  Who can survive his burning fury?  His rage blazes forth like fire, and the mountains crumble to dust in his presence.  The LORD is good.  When trouble comes, he is a strong refuge.  And he knows everyone who trusts in him.  But he sweeps away his enemies in an overwhelming flood.  He pursues his foes into the darkness of night.   (Nahum 1:2-8 NLT)
   
   Mad, psychotic little god!

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    I am so glad that God is not the God that people on both sides of the fence portray him to be.

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       It is the bible that is supposed to be his word that betrays god.
       If anyone wrote such intellectually naive dribble today, they would get the proper 6 years of psychotherapy!

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    A wise man and a fool can be arguing on the street corner.
         People walking past can not tell who is the wise man.
         They both sound alike.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Why does it offend so many when I say that we should believe first the word of God? and then the word of the disciples if what they say fits.

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I am not sure about others being offended, they just offer a different view don't they?

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       ionericeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Many Christians aren’t aware of the fact the neither Mark or Luke were disciples.  Neither one of them ever met Yeshua, that is never talked to him, walked with him or was an eyewitness to any of the events that’s recorded in the Gospels named after them.  As a matter of fact Mark was the very first Gospel written of the four and was done so around 45 years after the alleged crucifixion.

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          Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

              Thank you for your interesting comment. I was unaware of that.  Many Christians are not aware of a lot of things. 
          Many people sometimes think that I must be an Anti Christ because of what I believe.   Believe me I am not.  I however, I am not a Religionist. I have been studying end time prophesy for almost a decade. I have found that preconceived ideas , Interpretation of those ideas, and a little bit of mis translation has lead many good "Christians" astray.
          
               When we begin our travel based upon just one mis-conception we end up Confused and LOST.
               I believe that if we believe the word of GOD why do we have to change the meaning of what He said by interpreting it?
          
               I have not witnessed to anyone on these hubs as to the events in my life that led me to ..."KNOW" ..that there is a God.
          
              I have not given a biography of my self because that is of no importance.
          
              I hoped that the truth that I had to share would be able to stand alone without a handsome picture of my self or a sparkling biography.
          
               I did not know how the forums worked. I doubt it;  BUT  Mark Knowles could be Adamswiffe.   ???  doubt it  but  ???
             
               I am saying that if a person says that they are standing upon what the bible says.... the bible should be analyzed.
          What does it actually say after a ton of Interpretations have been cleared out of the way? Clearing 1600 years of interpretation is a hard row to hoe.   Are there any brave souls willing to examine what they believe?  What does YOUR Bible ACTUALLY  SAY?   I think that if everyone could Un-Interpret their belief system that there would not be any contradictions easily picked over by skeptics

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    I'm shutting down the computer and going to fall asleep;
    do wish youl will talk about me and decide just how much we should rely upon the word of God and how much should be rely upon what the disciples said.
         Good nite.  will be back

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    earnestshubposted 15 years ago

    Goodnight Jerami, enjoy your sleep. I hope you have nice dreams.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    In chapter 20 Satan is bound, for a thousand years.
    At that time those who had been killed, reign WITH Christ for a thousand years. This does not say that Jesus reigns with the living on earth.
        At the end of the 1000 years Satan is loosed and he goes out and   DECEIVES  the Nations.
    
       When he is released and DECEIVES the people will they know that they have been deceived?   No they won't
       
      If you have been deceived would you know it.  No you wouldn't
      I believe that the deception lies in OUR SELVES! Our insistence upon  INTERPRETATION of prophesy.
    
      If we could just read what scripture says .... To change the meaning of these prophesy as stated by the Lord is disrespect to the Lord. We can not change the rules !!

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    tantrumposted 15 years ago

    Hi jerami ! good morning

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    And a great big GOOD mornin back at cha

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Top of the morning to you. Evening here.

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          Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            didn't mean to leave you out with the great big good morning this morning, didn't see ya.  was running around getting ready to go to work. Finished that one will start another next week.

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       tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       
       I'm not commenting in this post, jerami. Too early in the morning. I can't think properly I'm only for joking right now

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          Jeramiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            That is OK   I only posted it as food for thought.
            To see if anyone is hungry for some uninterpretated, scripture.
          
            Seems like interpretating scripture is like getting hooked on sugar in your coffee. Once hooked ya just caint do without it.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    I have to get to work now  see ya later

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    A little more food for thought.   
    
    In Rev. 5   John describes the four beasts. the 24 seats and 24 elders who sit in them. John does not describe seeing Jesus there,  A strong angel proclaims WHO is worthy to open the book !!  No one in heaven on the earth or under the earth was found to be worthy.    John began weeping.   Then the Angel tells John to quit crying... Look the Lamb as if it had (JUST) been slain in the midst of the throne.
    
       As soon as Jesus arrived in heaven after the crucifixion IMMEDIATELY began opening the seal judgments.
    
      Immediately after arriving in heaven  Around 26 to  33 AD when Jesus arrived in heaven he began opening the seals.  The first Five seals were opened around 30 AD
    
         That is what it says !!!

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    And after the seventh seal is opened nothing happens. 
      Just silence for about the space of half of an hour.
         The only thing that I can see for this to mean is that the seven seal judgments are finished, and then  Afterwards the seven trumpets are handed out.
         The seven seals, The trumpets and vials are NOT going to happen within a 3 1/2 year period prior to the battle of Armageddon. These three types of judgments all happen simultaneously,

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Rev. 6:9  John saw the souls of them that had been slain for the word of God.
         They had not yet been resurrected for they were UNDER the alter and not in front of it.
         
         Rev 9:10   These souls cried out "When is God going to judge those on the earth?"
         They were told to wait yet a little season
         A season is 13 weeks.
         A little season is a little less than 13 weeks.
         13 X 9.13 = 119 years.
         A little less that 119 years the punishment upon those on the earth will be complete (seal judgments)
    
         A little less than 119 years after (approx) 30 AD would be a little before 149 AD
    
         In 135 after the last Jewish revolt,AD Hadrian began evacuating ALL of the Hebrews through out the rest of the Roman Empire.
    
        That Hebrew Nation that was given 70 weeks to quit sinning (Daniel 9:24) and anoint the most Holy;  no longer existed.

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    Jeramiposted 15 years ago

    Rev 16:2   And the first went and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a grievous and noising soar upon men which had the mark of the beast...
    
        I think that this might have already occurred in the 14Th century when  ........
       The bubonic plague broke out in Europe and China,  killing 2/3 to 3/4 of the population.
    
       If this was not the 1st vial being poured, I just can't imagine anything worse.

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