Why Is Jesus A Separatist?

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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Why would a loving god preach a separatist belief? Is this logical?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus loves you
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No he doesn't. I don't worship him. He wants to send me to hell. Thats not very nice now is it.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, its true, Jesus loves you, there's a song and everything!
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol I think I heard it. I almost caught on fire.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He loves you weather you worship Him or not. His love is unconditional.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not what the bible says. It says I am a product of the devil and that i'm going to hell.
  
  Stop buttering up the story sir.
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  Opportunist Partyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  name me one religion that isn't "separatist"? Imagine if there wasn't exclusivity...if everyone is in heaven( Hitler, Bin Laden, etc.) then it isn't heaven.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you died before? How do you know what happens after death?
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's a really good question, what do you think happens? I mean does it make sense that our consciousness just ceases to exist when our body dies? That doesn't seem logical too me.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can honestly say I don't have a clue. It doesn't seem logical to me to go to heaven to worship jesus. Maybe if we are consisted of energy, our energy and conscious disperse somehow somewhere. I'm starting to like you Sybil. You have an individual mind!
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Thanks Marine :} Okay so lets put aside the whole Jesus question. I'm no scientist but we know energy never ceases to exist right, just changes form, and it's pretty clear we are made up of energy. And then you think about the fact that we seem to grow and change all though our lifes (okay now I'm wondering if this should be a whole different thread! LOL It makes sense tome that we continue, somehow in a individual way
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, but I do know that if we think nothing happens after death, we limit our minds from thinking of what we don't know. If we assume we go to heaven to worship jesus, we limit our minds from thinking of what we don't know. I think our energy is possibly dispersed somewhere after dying, I don't have a clue of where. lol
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is a very valid point, and this may help explain some of your curiosity.
  
  http://230nsc1.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbasees … ntrop.html
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting read.
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like you have an open mind Marine I like you too
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Likewise. Always nice to see someone humble enough to admit what they don't know.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, what would make you think that your consciousness wouldn't end, when your body dies?
  
  But, that's exactly what happens.....when you die. It is the END of your life. YOU lose consciousness and your dead.
  
  All the energy in your body ceases to exist. Meaning, you're dead.
  
  What, Do you think your "soul" or "spirit" goes somewhere else? And life continues?
  
  How is that logical?
  
  And, by the way, you don't have a soul or spirit. These are just words to describe people's actions.
  
  So, now what?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you died before?
  
  Those are ignorant comments considering our mind is unmapped. Are your beliefs absolute?
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ediggityposted 14 years ago
He still loves you. Maybe he's just disappointed. For all those who may be wondering:

Main Entry: sep·a·rat·ist
Pronunciation: \ˈse-p(ə-)rə-tist, ˈse-pə-ˌrā-\
Function: noun
Date: 1608
: one that favors separatism: as a capitalized : one of a group of 16th and 17th century English Protestants preferring to separate from rather than to reform the Church of England
b : an advocate of independence or autonomy for a part of a political unit (as a nation)
c : an advocate of racial or cultural separation
— separatist adjective
— sep·a·ra·tis·tic \ˌse-p(ə-)rə-ˈtis-tik\ adjective
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, jesus and the bible are separatists.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To the religious it seems your beliefs favor separatism.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My belief doesn't have empty threats and ask for followers.
  
  I believe in equality, not favoritism of belief.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My friend you did not defined word separatist. Jesus drew very big crowd. He of cause separated Himself to meditate laud on the Word and of course He missed His DAD.
  I am separatist too, when I meditate on Word.
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
Does the bible create peace or separatism?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The BIBLE creates choice.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Choice of separatism.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God cannot take sin into heaven or paradise, since it would change heaven to hell.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus does separate and he does create choice.
  
  It's kinda like he is driving a wagon through your town.
  He wants for ya to get on his wagon, but it is your choice. When he has left town this causes separation between you and his wagon. Did Him giving you choice condemned you? if in fact you are condemned. Everything concerning you is all your choice.
  Nobody else can do anything except for to yell , come on get in I'll give ya a hand.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why is there always a riddle or analogy to solve?
  
  Helping with a wagon isn't the same as saying, believe or go to hell.
  
  Stop buttering things up.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is the way my grandfather would have explained to me when I was 10 years and I would have understood it. There isn't a riddle. I'm sorry that you do not want to understand.
  If you follow, then you won't be separated.
  If you connect with no one or nuthing, then you will always have no choice but to be INDIVIDUAL
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you have to follow to not be separated?
  
  Why is jesus a separatist?
  
  Was you not born an individual?
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  zarquonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible is a historical documentation of the lives of ancient prophets inspired by the word of God. It is not a living being per se. It is a scriptural text that promotes peace of mind and spiritual prosperity.
  Your subjective description that it is a separatism form of literature is justified by your ignorance and limited intelligence.
  Have you actually read the entire book with an open mind?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, your not a separatist?
  
  Peace of mind with threats of hell?
  
  Have you read with a non separatist mind?
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  Valerie Fposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible says human individuals chose to separate themselves from God, so, no the Bible doesn't create separatism. You and I do.
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eddiekayposted 14 years ago
I'm guessing that you're thinking in terms of the modern definition of separate. Like anything taken out of context, it could appear that something means one thing to you while quite another to me.
If you and I were working on ....???carrying sheetrock upstairs and i asked you for a hand...would you do what I asked, what I meant or clarify my request ? Kinda extreme example but , you get the point.
If you really want a biblically based answer, let us all know exactly what you're basing the question on and i'm sure me or somebody else can add sonmething.
Best
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Believe or go to hell.
  
  Believers believe they are rewarded for their belief over non believers. Separatism.
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  SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, God says to choose this day whom you will serve. Choose which door you want to walk through, what kind of car or truck you want to drive. We make choices all the time without giving a second thought about them.
  
  We are very picky about who works on our cars, who cuts our hair, and who our doctor is. When it comes to following after a spirit, we don't seem to care and follow just any of them.
  
  Jesus is not a separatist. Jesus gave His life for the sins of all men to redeem them back to God from where they originated. This is not separatist, but unity in God.
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  atomswifeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is why I love you my friend the truth lives in you.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A government truth.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Unity that separates believers and non believers. Is that unity? It is separatism.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God did not create hell for man. He said fallow me and I will take care of rest. But He value of freedom of choice and will protect it even you make decision to go to hell. Hell is nothing else as separation from God and there will be everything what people do not like. That's devil's job to constantly harass the people. He would like you to believe that is all God's or Jesus fault.
  He said I do not condemn or judge anyone but the Word will judge you in the last day.
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eddiekayposted 14 years ago
Man, you get right to it, don't you!
OK....working backwards yeah, believe or go to hell is about right BUT
it is never God's will that anybody goes to hell...
from the time you're born till the minute you die we're given a continuous stream of chances to believe. In life, we walk past a trillion open doors and it's up to us to walk thru. Man...i didn't walk thru till i was 57...I did sins that weren't even invented and No, I can't say I walked thru, I gotta say my butt was picked up, slammed down and thrown right thru that door. It wasn't like i said, "err, Uhh, God can I come in?" It was much more like he said "Git y'ass in here boy, now" And i did.
Up till that time, yeah, I was walking separate bcause i separated myself from him. But that was never what he wanted...it was just what he let me do. Men create separatism, I think mainly because we all think we're better than the next guy...but that's just my opinion.
God, no...he wants all the kids home and he turns nobody away when they come knocking.
So, what do you think?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the bible claims to do whatever you want and you get into heaven as long as you ask for forgiveness and accept jesus.
  
  Jesus is a separatist belief. Those who don't believe aren't in the jesus club.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The BIBLE is far from saying do whatever you want. When Jesus came he re-iterated the Commandments, spoke of faith, and judgment. I have faith, and I still know I will be judged, just as you will, and everyone else. Hopefully we all end up in the same place.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not what the bible says to those that have an individual belief.
  
  The bible says you will go to hell for having an individual belief.
  
  A separatist bible.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess we just have two different interpretations of what we've read then. To me the main point of the BIBLE wasn't believe or go to hell. It was help people, be humble, and have faith.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It it is divine, how many interpretations should it have?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That depends on what you choose to believe. Obviously you have a different interpretation than mine, and you don't believe in it.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, I am a science experiment born an individual to see if I follow the chosen belief? Doesn't sound divine to me.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No you are the product of two individuals who defied GOD, and rather than GOD just eliminating his creation all together, he gave us a chance to do the right thing.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, so he gave us free will to choose. Why didn't he make us into animals if he wanted us to follow his path? Animals have no individual path. They follow nature. Why don't other animals have free will? So how does a group belief differ from being an animal?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who knows what path an animal follows? GOD made humans after animals. During Genesis you can see that GOD was pleased with his creations, and in his plan made them better with each new creation.
  
  {1:26} And God said, Let us make man in our image,
  after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish
  of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle,
  and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that
  creepeth upon the earth. {1:27} So God created man in his
  [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and
  female created he them. {1:28} And God blessed them, and
  God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish
  the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of
  the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living
  thing that moveth upon the earth
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do animals individualize or follow a script? I have already read the bible. It's silly.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know about individualize, but I do know that many species demonstrate many of the same acts as humans. They communicate, socialize, get angry, form groups etc.. Some animals individualize, and some surely do not. Unless you can talk to an animal, it's hard to say what they are thinking.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What animal have you seen in church seeking belief besides the human ?
  
  What animal do you see on the computer having bible debates?
  
  Would we have bible debates if we were like all other animals or would we be content with what we have with no need for belief?
  
  What would happen if we all had the same belief? We would be like every other animal right? Content with 1 script.
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
My mind that I think, believe and or KNOW with has not yet been classified. I am what I am and I don't eat spinach. I do not want to be separated. I am not a follower or a leader. I do however feel better when I am going in the same direction as somebody.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Was you born to follow the bible or was it just a science test to see if you would believe or not?
  
  Who would want to be part of a science experiment?
  
  How are you not a follower if you follow a belief?
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marinealways24posted 14 years ago
If jesus isn't a separatist, why are we argueing whether or not he's a separatist? Wouldn't we agree?
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
Hmmm.....

Since you did say, "What do you think?"

I guess, I'll tell you.

How ever, mostly what I have to say is directed at the words you chose for your opinion.

How ever, the simple fact that any religious text printed anywhere, has been revised too many times to be, believed as far as anything it has to say.

Secondly, Jesus Christ was a real man and a real minister. He had many followers, because he spoke unlike any other. People were spell-bound by his words, because they had no consciousness about them. They were still driven by nature, kind of like when you were a child, new born. Yet, these people were full grown adults.

You didn't have a clue what was going on. You didn't even know who you were you, until your parents gave you a name?

Then as you grew up, you were exposed to religion, which now controls your life, in ways you can not explain.

Jesus Christ was NOT a prophet. He wasn't nor is a God. And, he was not the son of God.

He was human and lived his life by teaching, mentoring and ministering to those who would listen.

His only message: accept your human consciousness as your life and you'll live eternally. You can do so, thru his words, if you put the words into the right context. Something "religion" purposely didn't do. So as to better control the masses.

That was fun.....anyone else.
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
I was unaware that I was arguing. didn't mean to sound like it. Thought that I was saying what you might need to hear.
I might have been mistakes as to what you meant to be saying.
I don't think that Jesus is a separatist or else he wouldn't driving his wagon through your town wanting everyone to get on the wagon. He will be a separatist to you if ya don't get on the wagon. He definitely did not like that church organization that was going on at that time and I don't think he would like today's churches much better that the old one.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Guess what? I'm not on his wagon. He is a separatist because I don't share his belief. It was his choice to create a separatist belief, not mine.
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eddiekayposted 14 years ago
Hmmmm....I will admit that the exchange was falling apart a bit and I thank God for the comic relief you provided.
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
Well if we were GOD we could do anything that we wanted to because we think that we could do it better. We aint god and we couldn't do it any better.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So god is a separatist?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God is all things. Any one can look at the things that anyone else is doin and we can find something that WE THINK that they are doing wrong. Many times if we had known everything that that other person knew ????? WE didn't know
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you speaking in tongue or riddles again? So, I have more logic than the bible god? How did that happen if I am his creation?
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eddiekayposted 14 years ago
Would anybody like to support anything they're saying with any scripture ? be specific , no out of context stuff or "I heard it says..."
The discussion started on Jesus preaching separatism...can anybody support that with anythig Jesus sais and is recorded in the bible?
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm pretty sure it says follow or go to hell and the belief in jesus is the only way to a favored afterlife.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No offense, but a lot of the time people don't want a bunch of scripture thrown in their face. I'm sure we could all go back and forth throwing out passages that prove, or disprove our comments, but that may just turn people off to the discussion. They are your posts though, so feel free to drop some scripture whenever you like.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did not like what the Pharasees (the dominant role players in the Temple) were teaching. Matthew 23 the whole chapter. Jesus said many times that the religious leaders, of that time,were teaching wrong and living wrong.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, he created a separatist belief for them all to follow?
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
I once had a wife that argued with me even when I repeater something that she said the day before. Go figure??
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dude, and I know I am probably going to take a beating for this from the ladies, but that's all women.
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was actually talking about anyone that has an argumentative nature can not agree with anyone regardless of what is being said.
  
  many years ago, sitting around the campfire drinking beer; myself and a few friends figured out what all women want.
  What all women want and then they will be happy for a little while. All that they want is more than they have ever had before. We give it to them And then in a little while , what do they want?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You once HAD a wife. What'd you do kill her for it?
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would ya believe that I finally to make her so happy that she don't argue any more?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jerami, if that were true you'd be a billionaire by now
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  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I poor. keepin on Givin her more than she has ever had before keeps gettin more expenciv-er and er and er
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Jeramiposted 14 years ago
I need a spanking
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
Yes, Jesus was a separatist. He said the Father would divide the righteous from the unrighteous, separate them, set them apart.

The old testament is full of admonitions for the Israelites to separate themselves from the idol worshippers and the unrighteous as well.
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TMinutposted 14 years ago
As for why a loving God would preach a separatist belief - for the same reason a loving parent does. Stay away from those kids, they're being watched by the police and get in trouble all the time.
For the same reason we separate ourselves from people with contagious illnesses. For the same reason we separate ourselves from those with congenitally bad attitudes.

It's because it's the best thing to do.
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Newyork204posted 14 years ago
For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household.”—Matt. 10:35, 36

So in a way, yes, he was a Separatist. But in context. When you are a real Christian and you are doing the right thing and your friends or family is not than they start to hate you b/c you make them look bad. Misery loves company. Like hangs out with like. If you and your friends are doing drugs for example and then all of a sudden you stop than how does that make your friends look or feel when they pass you a joint and you say "no."
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am an individual, friends contradict my individualism. I'm jk.
  
  Nothing wrong with bud, it's not a tool of the devil. Alcohol is the tool of the devil. But it was alright for noah, right?
  
  So, you have to be a christian to not be a separatist. If everyone isn't a christian, what does that make christians? Or do you just label the non christians separatists? Make sense?
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Newyork204posted 14 years ago
That is what the Bible says.

And I am sort of confused as to what the argument is. I fairy certain I've missed something?? By Separtist I am not sure what the connotation is.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Separatist: A grouped belief.
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earnestshubposted 14 years ago
It is easier to belief our parrot Eric wrote the bible than it is to believe it is gods word!
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  sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  could be the gods words but not God's word. lol
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would too and I haven't even met the parrot. lol
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Eric types. or at least he pecks the keyboard. I think his life theories may be superior to mine. I will continue to study Eric the bird.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He already sounds smarter than some of the robotic minds. At least his meaning will be unpredictable.
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Sybil Marieposted 14 years ago
Separatist: A grouped belief

Hi all I guess with that definition, yes he was a separatist. But then everyone who has any belief that is different from someone else's and shares that belief with at least one or two other people, by definition, would be considered separatist.We would have to includes scientists that strongly believe in a theory that differs from other groups of scientists.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do scientists tell non believers they are going to hell for not believing their theory?
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh I don't thinks so
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But Marine I am a believer andI don't tell people that, I don't think I have all the answers. I don'teven know allthe questions:) But I do know where my life was before God was in it and where it is now andbelieve menowismuch better
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oops! sorry about that I really should have checked it before I posted...forgive me
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I appreciate anyone strong enough to form individual belief. I simply disagree with a grouped separatist belief as the bible.
  
  I appreciated you being honest and humble enough to understand you don't have all the questions or answers. Thank You
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Sybil Marieposted 14 years ago
What Kind of Parrot is he? I hear African grays are very smart!
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
So, in essence, Immortalility is yours?

You can live forever, by changing your energy, to fit another form.

Can YOU Do That?

Has Humankind Evolved That Much That Each Individual Can Control Their Own Energy?

I don't think so. When you die, if there is any energy remaining of yours, it will be simply, either go into Earth, being absorbed or absorbed by the Universe, in general.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You say our energy dies then you say we are immortal. Sounds like a contradiction. Explain this?
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Cagsilposted 14 years ago
You know, the scariest thing I've learned.

You, as a Human, are Immortal.

Your "Life" isn't meant to end.

And, the fact: that it's been hidden from the people for over 3000 years, is a crime.
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  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You care to explain all that? And, will it sound logical?
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  Sybil Marieposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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