Believe in Jesus Christ, what do you have to lose?

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Blessed Hillposted 8 years ago
Believe in Jesus Christ, what do you have to lose?

If the bible is true, and it is, faith in Jesus Christ promises an abundant life now and for eternity. Jesus came to give us something not take something away. So what do you have to lose?
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Aime Fposted 8 years ago
The ability to live life and form opinions independently from a book that dictates, for one.

It's also not just that easy to believe in something. Would you be able to drop your faith no problem if someone told you to? Probably not. Those of us who don't believe in God haven't just plucked the choice out of thin air, we've come to the conclusion because it is what our brains tell us logically is correct. Asking us to believe in God because we have nothing to lose is akin to me asking you to believe in & devote your life to a space unicorn who lives on the rings of Saturn and farts out stars because there's nothing to lose. He'll give you eternal life and three wishes. Yay, right? I've given you no tangible proof that he exists, but what does that matter. I believe in him and so can you. Just make yourself! Oh and he believes gays have the right to be married and that you should have lots of sex before marriage and requires you to denounce God, so you gotta change all your opinions and beliefs on that stuff, too. No big deal, right? What do you have to lose?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Logic & reasoning?" Where's that from? Your brain which is smarter than GOD'S? Even that sounds IGNORANT to you IF you believe there is a CREATOR & not just "farted from a star!"
  GOD y'all sound like comic book writers!
  Provide the book!
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The book means nothing. It's no more factual than Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter. You are free to think I'm ignorant, doesn't bother me at all.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You fulfill Scripture also: Rm 1:18-32!
  No, provide a book other than Bible written before Bible w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies then say "NO GOD!"
  Otherwise, only your opinion based on your "logic & reasoning!"
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Mmmkay
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I would believe in your unicorn if there were some who witnessed it. When I do what the bible says and get the results it says I will that's proof enough for me. God said, "come let us reason together." I reason with Him every day.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Me and all of my friends have witnessed it and you have to believe me because I just wrote it down. Good to know you believe in my unicorn now.
  
  Ever hear of the placebo effect?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where's the book Aimee? Go ahead & believe your "placebo effect" while we experience manifestations w/MANY "benefits!" To bad yours is psychological while ours are actually manifested e.g. healings, deliverance, future events revealed...
  Same e
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You guys keep changing the goal post, eh? Well okay. Islam has a book. So does Hinduism. And Taoism. Etc., etc. So if all that's required is a heavily circulated book then I guess we've got a LOT of true religions. Why choose yours?
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Norine, nice to see you where you belong and not usurping other people's hubs. I am quite interested to know who the "ours" are. I have never seen anyone confess to your blasphemy.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Aime F have you read the Quran? It mentions Jesus 25 times. I believe alot of what is said in it to be true. All religions have some truth or people wouldn't take them seriously.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Aimee: TRUE "BELIEVERS" are NEW COVENANT & AFTER ONLY (Gal 1:6-9)=GRACE!
  Eric, you want to know who "blasphemes?" READ the statement above!
  If one doesn't fall into that category; "ACCURSED!"
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  schoolgirlforrealposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You give a very logical response. But you take a risk of going to hell. God does not allow people into heaven who reject Him- would you expect Him to , since you have rejected Him? Why are you taking that chance?
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's not "taking a chance" because I don't believe in God. I just don't. I can't turn on my belief any easier than you can turn yours off.
  
  Ultimately, if there is a hell and if being a good person isn't enough to keep me out of it, then so be it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Aime: U need to provide the book!
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ... for what?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible to prove there is NO GOD!
  Who else could have known of events to come BUT GOD who speaks through men?
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's impossible to prove a non-existence. I'm not interested in proving my beliefs to anyone anyway. Notice how I'm not trying to force you to believe exactly what I do?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Neither am I! We have a choice (Josh 24:15)! I would only like u to realize THERE IS A GOD & we were not "farted from stars!"
  Since there is a CREATOR, HE deserves "respect!" If u created robot, u'd want it: SO DOES GOD!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine. Josephus lived during JC's supposed life and guess what? He mentions nothing at all about a man performing all sorts of miracles in the area around Rome. Especially not the zombies or the sun going out during JC's resurrection.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Proving God exists is easy - proving the salvation message of Christians is the hard part, because it is a pagan message that replaced the real message. Deceiving people has MANY benefits, like creating inferiority complexes that keep people in fear
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Proving god exists is easy?" LOL! Which one? No one yet has proves any sort of god exists, outside of man's imagination that is.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Its not so funny - I wrote a long hub about it. God exists with scientific evidence that we are spiritual beings. The 'salvation' message within Christianity is wrong. Its all very simple, actually. Neither Atheists nor Christians R correct. Research
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit, there is much truth in what you say. I think and feel one would have to try really hard not to have some spirituality. Sure it happens but that person has to work really hard at stifling that part of themselves.
  As to any doctrine - hmmm
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  Anthony Ethanposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Faith is a gift of God. After reading John's Gospel and seeing for myself how good Jesus was, I wanted to follow him but I couldn't find faith in me and I really liked cocaine. I had to ask him persistently for faith, and sometimes I still have to.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Oh my! You really need to read my hub, ha! God didn't send Christ to 'save our souls'; he came to enlighten us that we didn't need pagan religions. There are decidedly TWO different basic versions of Christianity. The less-known one is increasing...
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit: If nothing else, I agree HE came to 'save' us fm Paganism! It's ALL Spiritual! There are "spiritual" laws to come into FAITH! 1st: "Be sober" (IPet5:8)! "FAITH comes by 'hearing' the WORD" (Rm10:17)! So "STUDY" (2Tim2:15)!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again Norine what did early Christians study with - especially after the emperor's executioners destroyed HUNDREDS of 'gospels' that were actually written closer to Jesus' time AND executed people who had them? Paul's message does not jive 4 a reason
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Paul's Message "does not jive" because JESUS cont'd to talk thru Paul AFTER ASCENSION (Acts 1:2)! Why do u thk Paul "in his stead" (II Cor 5:20)? Why do u thk I keep telling ALL "Paul cont'd "fulfilling JESUS' laws" ("in HIS stead") AFTER JESUS LEFT
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  Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What is happening today is in that book, all who study know it. Even I use to wonder how the whole world would be looking at all this coming on the earth but today that is pretty elementary isn't it? It'll get much, much worse, don't wait too long.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, its been getting 'worse' for over 2K years- and of course, Christians KNOW that 'its coming', so WHY BOTHER putting an effort into this world to fix its problems? Plus, 'god' does EVERYTHING for you - really, why bother? Bible came 300ys LATER.
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jews are chosen. God told Abram to leave a country, indicating there are un-chosen people. Jesus came to minister to the needy among these chosen, and later offered salvation to the un-chosen. Believe! The weatherman can predict snow, but what color?
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus came to fullfil the Jewish Law of Kabbalah - and that is what they killed him for because he was trying to teach pagans (including Jews) that they were in bondage to pagan beliefs. When his message took hold, they hijacked it to keep status quo
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  someguy77posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I've heard the word "fire insurance" used in reference to what you're talking about here. Many people (try to) believe in God, reasoning that if there's a God, they'll be safe, and if not, no harm does. IMO this is very cowardly behavior.
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WiccanSageposted 8 years ago
Belief is not a choice; it's something you come by. I could no more switch on belief in Christ than I could switch on belief in bigfoot or the loch ness monster.

So what I'd lose is integrity and freedom. I'd have to live a lie pretending my whole life to believe something just to be 'safe'.

Not to mention, what if I believe in Christ and it turns out I'm worshipping a false messiah? Or it turns out that Hindus Gods are the real ones? Or the Muslim beliefs are right? If it were just either/or, Pascal's wager there may seem remotely plausible, however since there are so many different beliefs, believing in Christ (when I am not naturally inclined to do so) would mean wasting my life living a lie for nothing.

Not to mention, the idea that there is a God who will eternally torture people for being wrong, well, that's not a God I could ever worship-- or even believe exists. I believe in Gods, but in my beliefs they care more about what we contribute, how we treat each other, our personal growth, etc. than what we believe about them. It would be just too petty if a God let it all ride on belief.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Come by?" Man's teachings? Straight from SATAN for "flesh (man) can't please GOD" (Rm 8:8)!
  Again, Have you heard the end of the story? SATAN has already been defeated! Continue & you will join your father in the Lake of Fire!
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, belief is something you come by based on what you learn, experience, and your understanding of a situation. It is not a choice you turn on and off like a light switch. Again, I don't believe in any 'story' that has a 'Satan' in it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did parents discipline you? Did they not torture (discipline) you for being wrong (or so you thought)? As parents gave u choice to do as said (petty/belief?), so does GOD!
  He created us not vice versa & can destroy creations for He's GOD!
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  My parents did not wait till I die to punish me eternally for mistakes I made, or because I might have had a wrong belief. That would not be discipline, that would be sadism.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "It would be just too petty if a God let it all ride on belief"
  
  Yep! Especially if he knew the belief came from the mindset of "well what do I have to lose?" That's not very inspired.
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Great point Aime.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD doesn't "need" us (Lk 19:40) HE'LL make "rocks cry out" to get praise if we don't! We need HIM!
  You really know how to fulfill Scripture: Rm 1:18-32 "fulfilled" + MORE!
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We do not agree on what God is, wants or will do. I'm not questioning God in the least. I do question your concept of God, your interpretation of God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What is your "concept" or "interpretation" of GOD?
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  lol 250 characters is not nearly enough; suffice it to say, not a concept that would fit in Abrahamic faiths. I'm not at war w/those faiths; I just don't share your ideas about the nature of the divine. I have to be true to what I believe is true.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I wish u would furnish another book w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written before Bible and MAYBE you have a leg to stand on!
  Until then, I Cor 10:21 is appropo=SATAN!
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I would also put 'accurate' in quotes when talking about fulfilled prophecies in the Bible, N. But my religion doesn't take mythology literally. Mens words (like the Bible & other books of mythology) were never supposed to be taken literally.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IF "MEN'S WORDS" PROVIDE THE BOOK???
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thats right only NOrine can speak or write because she is the only one graced by the Holy Spirit. The rest of us can only repeat Bible phrases. And don't forget NOrine also says some of the Bible is wrong because of Nicea.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, I didn't ASK for this assignment bcuz I KNEW there would be men like u, but whether you HATE or not, I GIVE TRUTH IN HIS WORD! Now, u can PROVE you're a child of GOD by listening & praying to GOD for "underst" OR u can cont working for SATA
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes; a book. Of words. By men. Writing what they think is true. That's all it is.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Stop "babbling" & PROVIDE THE BOOK!
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're the one who is babbling about books, Norine.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When fail, TRY to insult? What a man?
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "When fail, TRY to insult?" You would know about that. You're the one who keeps talking about books. Notice I simply repeated your words.
  
  "What a man?" You lost me again, who are you talking to?
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  Anthony Ethanposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When I started to suffer greatly for some stuff, I began searching for relief. The only shelter I found was in Jesus. I spent years putting a mask of faith on for church. When I started seeing Jesus with me in my suffering, faith began inside of me.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, a lot of us have a similar story - then a few decades later, after we have invested practically our entire lives in it - we wake up and realize that we didn't need anybody, all along. THAT was actually a HUGE part of Jesus' original message.
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I can relate Anthony; I found that kind of shelter in my own faith when I was seeking and in need of direction. I'm glad you found the right path for you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MF: That's JESUS' Message! "WE NEED HIM" (aka HOLY SPIRIT) ONLY but YOU have taken over HIS JOB! IF we BELIEVE "all things are possible!" But BELIEVE "WORD" (aka GOD/HOLY SPIRIT) not *me,* mama, pastor, popes, book, BUT GOD (aka SPIRIT)!
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again Nor, I do not believe the Bible is the word of any God. At all. Not even a little bit.
  
  You're asking me to follow the beliefs of human beings because you think their words came from a God... I cannot follow what I do not believe.
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  ERic, Good Friend, you and I must have a coffee together, at that little joint just outside the Pearly Gates, before we march off to visit out mutual friend, Mr Satan. Shall we go hand in hand? Might even see Norine going our way too! Yippee!!
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  News of the Yearposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, do you Christians have ANYTHING to back up your claims besides idle threats? Do you really want to be coerced into believing something? The historical and scientific claims in the Bible have been thoroughly refuted. You just refuse to see it.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, it has been thoroughly refuted; and frankly, Christians CAN'T see it. Beliefs are powerful, and diverting them does bad things to their heads and (obviously) the entire world. I wrote a hub detailing how Jesus message was diverted & WHAT it
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  rimbinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Many of them are not believing Jesus but in Bible it is all said at last days many of them not accept and deceive Jesus
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Where do you get the story of Jesus? There is only one place. Ever heard, 'History is written by the victors?' If you really loved JC, you would WANT to get to the truth of his story instead of believing what murders & killers wrote about him.
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The very notion of an eternity of punishment or reward being based on what we believe or think makes zero sense to me. If a God were actually waiting to reward/punish us I would think what we contribute and how we conduct ourselves is important.
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cheaptrickposted 8 years ago
Oh CRAP!!...you mean the big S U doesn't exist?...well if not...then where DO stars come from?Is there a Space Stork or something?and,and,and...in order to Fart a star...well,that would take a Really BIG A-Hole anyway wouldn't it?cause stars are really big ya know?...and if you read the bible then it's pretty clear that God would Never do Bad stuff to people...like Job...or Moses or...pretty much anyone who pissed him off...especially when they're naked(naked is his pet peeve).
I have to wonder about a person who can turn their beliefs on or off at will...don't you?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You got it!
  There is a GOD and don't "piss HIM off!"
  They "turn on & off" their belief to suit them ("cherry pick") or haven't been taught the "other side of GOD!"
  "It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD" (Heb 10:31)!
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As a proponent of a clothing-optional society, I can tell you nudity is NOT god's pet peeve. He made Adam & Eve naked, told Isaiah to preach naked for three years (Is 20:2-3) and even Jesus disrobed in John 13:4-5 . See Gospel of Thomas Logion 3
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As HE makes all (LIES) "naked!" HE "reveals" who is and who ain't!
  We will all come before HIM "naked" (open & honest; "pure heart") IF we want to serve HIM!
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It has been proven there are no gods so many times but these people just keep on foolishly believing. It will never end because they are too afraid to face their own mortality.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How little you know of a BELIEVER!
  II Corinthians 5:8 says "We are CONFIDENT, I say, and WILLING RATHER to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
  Who wouldn't "rather" being here w/all these "intelligent" people?
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dashingscorpioposted 8 years ago

Playing Devil's advocate here.
God made man and man made religion.
Lets say the bible is just a bunch of parables and fables made up by a group of men to control the behavior of people.
Asking someone what do they have to "lose" by believing in Jesus is the equivalent of asking them:
What do they have to lose by believing in Santa Claus?
"He knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you are awake. He knows if you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake. He's making a list and checking it twice, gonna find out whose naughty or nice.... Santa Claus is coming to town"
There are some interesting parallels to say the least.
Seriously if don't believe something to be true you can't fake it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  One exception: Santa has no "Lake of Fire!"
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If he did, he'd be evil.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, GOD is "the devil?"
  Blasphemy is NOT forgiven (Mark 3:29)!
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  dashingscorpioposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Blasphemy? People accused Jesus of that as well.
  I thought the Devil owned the Lake of Fire and his job is to punish those who disobey God. That makes him an employee.
  Are you saying God owns hell too!?
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No, God is not any 'devil' lol. But your concept that a God made an eternal pit of torture, that would make that God evil. I don't believe such a being exists, or hell, but hypothetically speaking, only evil beings would create hell.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, until GOD "reveals" that "The Book" (aka Bible) has LIED, it remains as WRITTEN! Therefore, if u "think" that GOD is evil, take it up w/HIM. But HE SAID "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord & the cup of devils.." (I Cor 10:21) SO you're SA
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peter had a vision to eat anything. Paul opposed Peter for stop eating with the Gentiles for fear of the Jews. Society at that time did not allow movement among classes. If at Christmas I saw trees, presents and Santa Claus. What do I have to lose?
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We should all remember the "debate" over circumcision. Apostles disagreeing with each other! Heaven forbid. I suppose in some sense you can make the point that faith is intellectual.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AP: The "parable" was: "GOD HAS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS!" There's NOTHING to lose, if U BELIEVE "GRACE" (Gal 1:6-9) or "The Gospel of Christ!"
  Eric: Why squeeze "intellect" into "Spiritual?" Gal 2:16 re: "circumcision" was "revealed" fm JESUS/HS!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Norine, read your NT God/HS initially revealed to the Apostles different notions on circumcision. And they got together and debated it among themselves -- person to person conversation. Then God/HS changed some of their minds. No Bible!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Peter was "WITHSTOOD" by JESUS Gal 2:11 (aka HS) speaking thru Paul & Paul's Word (aka JESUS') "STOOD" or Scripture LIES (Gal 3:23-24;Acts 10:34; Rm 2:11)! Eric, U "know" Scripture by READING!
  "Dff notions?" 1 "MIND" (Phil 2:5) fm HS (Rm 12:16)!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine it was just revealed to me -- you are writing in tongues which no one else can understand. That sure explains a whole lot.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you mis-quote scripture again. The bible says, God is NO respecter of persons, which means what He does for one He will do for all. God doesn't care how badly people mess up Jesus has freed us from the consequence.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I guess Gal 3:28 LIED! "There is neither Jew nor Greek..." & you say I "misquote?"
  "GOD HAS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS" (Rm 2:8-11) in "JUDGING/JUSTICE!"
  Your problem,"The attitude of, "I am right and you better do it my way or you r damned" vs WOR
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, Norine is NOT 'writing in tongues' - have you never encountered someone like her? She's OBSESSED in her own scary little world. People like her R the result of religious bombardment and is the reason why people get concerned for Christians.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric: READ Bible verses given in order to "understand!"
  MF: What do I "fear?"
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  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Dashing, not playing Devil's Advocate at all but being an INDEPENDENT THINKER.......THINK ON & ANALYZE.........
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible says a woman should remain silent and let her husband speak of all things religious. But then, there were no ladies allowed to choose which books actually made up the Old an New Testaments. Some people will risk their souls on hearsay...
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pride/Ego KILLS (I Jn 2:16)! ALL one has to do is "Rely on GOD" (CREATOR) to "reveal" ALL TRUTH and not "SELF!" BELIEVE *me,* NO ONE can do a "better" job!
  If Bill Gates ($47.9B) says IT makes sense (since u like world's opinion), who r u?
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I don't believe in heaven or a lake of fire. We are born and we die. Maybe reincarnated, but maybe nothing. Life is what the Catholics would call Purgatory. It's like having one foot in heaven and one in hell. Maybe your life has been better.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Frump: Deep down - You believe!
  It's just that: you were not "discipled" but left alone to "figure it out" w/o "guidance" fm Holy Spirit! Became disgruntled & said "What the hell!"
  I HATE RELIGION!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GMW, I felt the term "Analyze" could well apply to much of Norine's rantings.
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The naysayers will never make God's words go away.
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  cam8510posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine says "One exception: Santa has no "Lake of Fire!"
  But the Egyptians did, 1600 yrs before any Christian author wrote about it. The Pits of Fire,where the enemies of Ra are consumed.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry but any moron with over a few decades of life know: Religion is for those who want to avoid Hell; Spirituality is for those who have already been there. Hell is in the heart and minds of men. We more often condemn ourselves than God does.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is so true, Eric. BH, you don't have to read *my* hub about this (but infolinks after poll) - I only wrote it so that C's could see 'how other C's came to these conclusions'; bcuz most C's can't see why/how C-hybrids & NEW consp theories dev
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Ericdierkerposted 8 years ago
Seems odd indeed that someone would believe in a God based on "because". Even if the atheist think me insane or the religionist think me undisciplined and not scared enough, I do not have a choice over my belief in the divine. I have a choice of religion or church. I have a choice about prayer, meditation and worship. But I have no more control over what I believe in as God than I do over what my wife believes.
You know what? I even have a choice how to interpret "holy" writings. And I certainly have a choice about how healthy I live.
I do not even know what God has given me or taken from me. But I am just stuck here believing.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  U do have "a choice!"
  ALL in or ALL out!
  Bible vs man's "writings!"
  "Revelation" vs "Interpretation!"
  GRACE vs LAW!
  Heaven vs Hell!
  It's all about "choice!"
  You're not "stuck!" Scripture says "renew your mind" (Rm12:2)!
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  kwade tweelingposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric, I actually respect your attitude a lot more than those who hide behind God and spout anger and hate. You at least sound like you consider your own belief, and evaluate how and why you believe what you do. That's not as easy.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Eric has developed a gentle spirit that does not impose beliefs on others; and yet, he believes in salvation and hopes to relay that belief onto others to 'help them'. A Christian like Eric is more dangerous than Norine bcuz most RUN from her, ha! )
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You think the Holy Spirit doesn't "reveal" how & what one should "think" (Jn 14:26)? You think HE doesn't "reveal" ALL TRUTH? Why Misfit need to sit down and let HIM do HIS JOB!
  If ANYONE doesn't BELIEVE "HE" will do as HE said, you are an unbe
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  Sam Shepardsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Eric, a belief I can understand.
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God has not nor will he take away our choice to follow Him. As some think He controls us. We who are His do go astray from time to time. So here is an example: I stop praying; sin gets into my life more, yes more, because nobody alive can not sin.
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Lori Dudleyposted 8 years ago
Jesus Christ died so that we may live. God gave His only begotten son so that the Human Race that He created could live for eternity the way we were supposed to live. Thank you for bringing this question to light.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes HE died for ALL!
  BUT if one doesn't BELIEVE the Gospel of Christ (After the Day of Pentecost); they are "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
  Blessings
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So, if you don't really believe and pretend to, you're gonna get punished? What kind of creator would do that, since it's his fault he made us the way we are and put us in an environment that shaped us? Makes no sense
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD wants "PRAISE!" Don't u? HE made us for that! HE loves us so much HE gives "choice" (Josh 24:15)! BUT left instr (Bible)to "reconcile" (2Cor5:11-21)! Gave "Dominion" (Gen 1:26) to man & we messed up!Then blame HIM for wrong choices like Adam?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, here in HubPages the inappropriate use of caps is regarded as shouting, which is very rude in any conversation. Will you please have a little respect? You often sound like an impertinent child.
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  rimbinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly God made us to praise Him and also to rule the world.He loves us because we are like Him
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whonunuwhoposted 8 years ago
We, as a united race of people, have world religions. Each form of religion has its benefactor and Creator. Without our religion, we would not exist in an ordered society. There would be total chaos and at this point, we all would have perished from the face of this earth long ago. As a believer in Christ and that he was the true son of God, our creator, I have tried to be fair minded and respectful of all faiths of the world. It is the god given right of all the world's people to believe in their chosen leader and religious faith. My savior Jesus Christ, will always be mine. The lord god has truly blessed the people of this world. We would have our souls to lose without our faith in god and creator.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Whonu, for me, you speak truth.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Norine. You use accursed so much that I am beginning to think it may be a good thing. Boy it seems each Bible version has their own translation of cherum. They are not at all uniform. Some go so far as using it to mean dedicated. Interesting.
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louiseelcrossposted 8 years ago
I was born to an abusive, religious mother who taught me that God would send me to hell for being a stupid child and from a very early age I believed her. I lived in fear of God for most of my life because of my mothers words. I studied the bible myself when I got old enough to understand and read it cover to cover many times. I found many teachings in the bible that makes sense and I found that God is not going to send me to hell for being stupid. I also found that King Constantine (274-337) decided which books were to make up the bible and it is my belief that he did this as a form of social control. I want to have faith and believe in the promise of an abundant life and I am working at changing deeply ingrained beliefs.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A parent's job is not to shame and scare their children.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You speak well of hope Louise. Thanks
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Louise keep searching for truth and fighting the lies because God is love. That's the message of the bible. The other books, even though true, were excluded because the message of love was not at their core. God bless you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: You haven't raised children? Don't you tell them TRUTH? Want a car KILL? Is the thought of being ran over by a car as they've seen a dead animal in street scary? Why would u delete because it's scary? TRUTH IS "scary" as HELL is but exists!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I have 4 children you obnoxious insolent woman. I delete you and will continue to do so because there is no love and grace in anything you say. Now shut up and let others talk.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hell is a much more complex concept than getting hit by a car and expecting a young child to process it appropriately is absurd.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree Aime, for me Hell would be separated from love for eternity. People think it's a physical experience but the physical body goes to the grave. It's the spirit and soul than experience torment because of separation from their creator
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well GOD LIED? "Train up a child in THE WAY (GOD'S WORD) he should go...?" Are you BELIEVERS or (loving) "proclaimed" Christians? TELL TRUTH! Tell children there are consequences for not obeying WORD! Tell TRUTH or they'll grow up like you guys!
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They'll grow up able to form thoughts with their own words instead of all scripture all the time & the ability to gauge what is appropriate to tell a child in the interest of their well-being? Shoot, that sounds awful.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As for you SATAN Job 1:6!
  Demons are ALWAYS AGAINST the WORD of GOD (Prov 22:6)!
  I KNOW I'm not "out there" relying on "my" knowledge/judgment,etc & ANYTHING I ask in HIS NAME, I receive! How about U?
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure that's what you believe. But personally, I would not shame and scare my child in exchange for "whatever I asked for" anyway. Nothing could be worth psychologically damaging a kid.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Scaring children into submission is evil in itself. Which brings us to - we are all God's children. So why would someone read the Bible to mean that God is wanting to scare us children into submission? Very kinky if you think about it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank u Dr. Spock!
  I'd rather one be "psychologically damaged" by the WORD of GOD rather than running around out there doing practically anything via society's ok!
  There's NO FEAR in CHRIST!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  This is a typical response that many former Christians are coming to. I really do not mean to promote myself when I say that my hub is just for peeps like you who are kind of 'in between' and still trying to figure out how all the puzzle pieces fit.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Misfit: U "blaspheme" against the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)! What do you thk the HOLY SPIRIT'S job is? U don't believe JESUS exists as the HOLY SPIRIT? Does HE not work n ea of us? Why don't u 'step back' & let HIM "figure thgs out?"Can u do bet
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your mother sounds like an evil witch. You are not stupid. You spell good and write well, too. She was the stupid one -- not you.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your hub proves nothing Misfit. Reading it was the worst waste of time I've spent recently.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MF: You hear SATAN possessing Frump to speak against "your mom?" Your mom, who taught u where u were (TRUTH) yet u allowed Satan possess u as Frump? Get real!
  I agree w/Randy! ANYONE who DENIES the POWER of GOD (Jn 14:26), is a waste of time!
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH, the only thing I can agree with you about is the "obnoxious, insolent woman" bit. Well said and timely.
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Ashae Harrisposted 8 years ago
Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. (Matthew 5:17)

This scripture tells us that the Jewish laws given to Moses still stands. Jesus did not do away with the laws. He offered an alternative, either/or. If one believes in Jesus Christ, then the punishment that comes with breaking the law has been paid for, by Him dying on the cross.

In the book of Galatians Paul writes:
23 Before the coming of this faith we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. (Galatians 3: 23-25)

Therefore, believing in Jesus Christ frees us from the curse of the law. The salvation Jesus Christ offers to non-Jews through Paul by accepting Him as savior, saves one from the curse that comes with breaking the laws of other religions.

Thus, there is nothing to lose by simply believing in Jesus Christ.

The way most people interpret the scripture is take passages from all over the bible, then put them together. What that simply does, is put us back under the law. He came to save the Jews who were suffering under the penalties of the Jewish Law. After, he rose from the dead and went back to heaven, he called Paul to preach His gospel to non-Jews (Gentiles) and Peter was continue heading the spreading of His gospel to the Jews.
In Matthew 16:28 Jesus said:

Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

This means that the second coming has already taken place.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Awesome, absolute truth. I do disagree on the 2nd coming part though but that's ok.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: You're NOT a BELIEVER if you blv the LAW still stands! JESUS "fulfilled" LAW! LAW is for "the unrighteous" (I Tim 1:9) so maybe it does still stand for you guys!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You obviously didn't read what Ashae just wrote, believing in Jesus frees us from the curse of the law. She was quoting scripture. In fact all people are free from the curse of the law most just don't know it yet. Which is why I preach good news.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What "Good News" do u preach? Baptizing in Jesus' Name (Acts2:38)? No more LAW but GRACE (Rm 11:6)? GOD is ONE SPIRIT (I Cor 12)? CHRIST has DONE IT ALL; no more "rituals" (Communion) Heb/I Cor 11? What PART do u preach?
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus came to debunk the 'pagan laws' of men and 'fulfill' a DIFFERENT old 'jewish law' of Kabbalah - there is more than one. "I am the way the truth and the light" refers to HIS CHRISTOS (KoG) within that exists within us all; NOT 'him' personally.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MF: The KoG DOES NOT exist in those who DO NOT "BELIEVE!"
  Give Scripture where the KoG exists in "ALL" even unbelievers!
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH & NW, do you know Paul's epistles PRECEDE the Gospels by 1/2 to several decades? Why Paul nevr mention quotes fr. Jesus? Why Paul nevr cite miracles? Paul belvd in a celestial Jesus, not earth. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvhZc96
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Paul didn't "walk the earth" w/JESUS but he got "revelation" directly from JESUS (aka Holy Spirit; Gal 1:12; Acts 1:2="Chosen" Acts 9:15)! He was "in Christ's stead" (II Cor 5:20) & had same Power (Acts 19:11-12)! Quote fm JESUS "I Cor11:24-25!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Right, there is a HUGE controversy surrounding Paul's teachings. Christians should all be aware of that part, at least. Human beings nor any other living thing could not EXIST w/o KoG within - it is our battery, our lifeforce. Body dies w/o it.
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Misfit Chickposted 8 years ago

First, your assumption that 'the bible is true' is off... There is actually a huge debate among Christians as to whether or not the bible is the sole authority of the word of God. Also, many 'mistakes' found within it have been highlighted in recent decades. For instance, do a search on the current debate surrounding the Apostle Paul's teachings.

Second, many people become offended after realizing that they have been lead to believe in a 'lie'. I've been a 'Santa's Helper' for almost five years during the Christmas seasons; and you would be surprised at how often SANTA gets 'flipped off'. Some people are seriously angry with him, ha!

The salvation message of Jesus within Christianity is similar; in that it hasn't been portrayed in an entirely accurate way - which is the reason for all the controversy surrounding that religion. The salvation message is one of the most controversial things within Christianity - even among their own denomenations.

We have everything to gain by not believing in the salvation message - because that was not the reason for Christ to be here. The sense of inferiority embedded into that set of beliefs has been so harmful on the world, at large. Its time for 'followers' to stop believing what they've been told; and do their own research about their 'beliefs'.

The truth will set you free; and you shall be free, indeed. That goes for diehard Atheist and Christians, both.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You (Being an UNBELIEVER) have NO IDEA what the Holy Spirit (aka JESUS) can do! If JESUS said HE would "lead & guide" us into "ALL" TRUTH; I BELIEVE and HE HAS!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I respect your viewpoint but it doesn't matter how many debates go on among men God still IS. Jesus was born, taught, was crucified, buried and rose on the 3rd day. And then ascended. That's TRUTH. No debating will change that.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IT MATTERS! For if one "proclaims" to be a BELIEVER & doesn't do what Gal 1:6-9 says, they are "ACCURSED!" That doesn't matter?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The salvation message is very simple, those that believe with the heart and confess with their mouths Jesus Christ as LORD shall be saved. Pretty simple, no debate needed.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Believe what? Did RELIGION teach you what to BELIEVE? "Confess w/mouth Jesus Christ is Lord?" Confession MUST be BELIEF&FAITH in what the Lord has said ("rightly divided" WORD); that's confessing w/your mouth Jesus Christ (WORD) is Lord (GOD)!
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Catherine, do not worry about SANTA. Jesus "flipped off" too and some people are angry with him. The book of Revelation speaks of gold, and is not exactly a nice book to read. The church of Philadelphia mentions a new Jerusalem on earth.
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  Anthony Ethanposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How can an atheist claim that anything is true, good or beautiful? There is no objective standard by which you may judge. An atheist can't disagree with this: Who is a public servant and who is a violent criminal are merely matters of perspective.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Jesus was born, taught, was crucified, buried and rose on the 3rd day. And then ascended. That's TRUTH." R you sure? What if Jesus died just because he was cruxified; and then, when his real message started to take hold - it was hijacked by pagans..
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "What IF?" HE DIED! Reconciled to that "ONE SPIRIT" "again!" Sent HIMSELF (aka HOLY SPIRIT/SAME SPIRIT) back to HELP us, and u deny HIM?
  BLASPHEMY!
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  gconeyhidenposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine you need to get a life.
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine has a life Norine has Jesus.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I reckon that is true.
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The Indexerposted 8 years ago
You cannot begin with "if", immediately assume the truth of your assertion, and then expect to be taken seriously.

When you see how much harm and suffering has been caused down the centuries by people who held sincere religious beliefs, you have to question whether it is such a good idea to follow a religion - whatever it is.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I can and I did start with "if". The bible is the truth whether you believe it or not. Yup religions caused a lot of harm and suffering not Jesus Christ. People that believe in evolution go to war too. So let's blame Evolution for some suffering too
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did u not see "and it is?" The "If" was for unbelievers (ICor9:19-23)!
  IF u would READ Gen 1:26 "GOD gave "DOMINION" to MAN over EVERYTHING on earth!"
  Therefore, blame MAN who "thought" they were so "smart" as they do today!
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  Ashae Harrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You can start with "if". When Christ was on the cross, he was mocked. Is it religion or those who oppose the religion who are doing the harm? Simply believing, saves the believer from those who do not believe.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: Are u in agreement w/Whonunuwho? To each his own? If so, you defy Scripture! ERIC: No matter how many "translations," the HOLY SPIRIT "reveals" TRUTH by "leading & guiding" those who "WAITED!"
  AH: "BELIEVE "rightly divided" WORD or "ACCURSED
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  kwade tweelingposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  John, it's interesting how your whole point was that this question is hard to take seriously, and all the "BELIEVERS!!!" seemed to miss that. You make a great point. Asking "if" then asserting your certainty in the same question is ridiculous.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As GOD "TRIED" to relate to "man" (but those w/o Holy Spirit still don't 'get IT') the "IF" was for "man" (Unbelievers)! Did he not qualify statement with "and it is"?
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know the bible is true? It was written 200 - 300 years after Jesus. Some old monks decided what stories should go into the bible. And some of it is bull.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IF you BELIEVE GOD is the CREATOR(Gen1:1) & HE doesn't LIE (Num23:19), then you should BELIEVE what HE SAID: "I will lead & guide you into "ALL" (not SOME, but "ALL") TRUTH" (Jn 14:26;16:13)!
  Then, why worry?
  UNLESS, you don't BELIEVE?
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is mostly those who parade as Jesus-heads that make us reject any notion of "believing" what they say or preach. Opinionated, arrogant, self deceiving, often demeaning of other points of view; and equally often rude, insulting. Know who I mean
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beagrieposted 8 years ago
Firstly, the while the argument that without religion we'd all still be cave-dwelling proto-human's is one for better minds to debate, but assuming that is true, it doesn't then follow that we *need* religion now. You could argue that, without vacuum valves, we'd never have gotten to the transistor, but we don't *need* vacuum valves in our modern gadgets. An iPhone would be the size of a small town!

But to your main question. In my limited understanding, your god requires faith, correct? Belief. I don't have that. I can go to church and call myself Christian and the like, but the simple truth is I don't believe in gods. And if they're real and as all-seeing as they're claimed to be, they'll see right through my faking it.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All human beings have faith. It just depends where they place it. Our decision making is based upon faith in what we know to be truth as far as we know it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JB: I still would like ONE unbeliever to provide a book w/more "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible and those "better minds" haven't provided. Can you?
  Who could have known all prophesied BUT GOD?
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Which fulfilled prophecies? The self-fulfilling ones or the vague, high-probability guesses? I bet psychics would have a field day with you!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Are you one? There's resemblance!
  Whatever you find, provide!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Are you one? Same characteristics - unbeliever!
  Whatever you find, provide!
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Paul was called to preach the gospel. It was not an easy task. I went to Disney Winter Park. They said it was going to snow. One had no idea what color the snow would be, or what type of snow would fall.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you keep using that excuse, that the bible has many fulfilled prophecies - more than any other book; and yet, you don't believe it! The Kindgom of God is WITHIN, which means the 'rapture' you R waiting for already occurred and KoG is HERE NOW
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MF: I NEVER said "I didn't BELIEVE the Bible!" I said "The Holy Spirit will (and has) "revealed" portions tampered with!" I BELIEVE HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) will "lead & guide us into ALL truth!" Do you?
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to believe in the bible or Jesus. But look around and you know we have a Creator. The safest way to pray (I think) is to our Creator. How can you go wrong, doing that?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, IF u believe there is a CREATOR & HE doesn't LIE; believe HIS WORD (Bible) for Basic (SPIRIT) have not & CAN NOT be "tampered with!" Acts1:8 "POWER!" Who "leads & guides into "ALL" TRUTH" (Jn14:26;16:13)!
  What's wrong with that?
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  Damian10posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You do not need to fake anything. If you believe in history and archaeology you will clearly see that these people were here. Look at the Tel Dan inscription, the Pilate Stone, the Codices and the prophesy of the Bible. These are tangible items.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Prophesy is not tangible - and according to literal interpretations of the bible, some are long overdue - and yet, C's have been waiting for 2K centuries. 'God' & 'Spirit' are never inaccurate, but 'Bible' salvation message most certainly is.
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MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years ago
If you accept Jesus to be your personal savior without giving up on sensibility than you have nothing to lose but that's the problem. You actually stand to lose everything when you chose to pray your way through anything you don't understand. Not only do you stand to lose but you as Christians always insist everyone else join you in ignorance. Furthermore as a former believer and now Atheist I will not follow such a fairy tale example of a god. No great god of any kind would have the power to create all things but at the same time find himself to be a jealous creature. How can you be both God and a Jealous God? He can't and therefore he does not exist. How can you be the creator of all things and be infallible when you as god and only you as god could have created evil, sin, hate, rot, death, pain, disease, torture and then try to pass it along as though those are the results of poor choices made by Adam and still at the same time insist we have free choice? No, God as we know him is a joke at best. How can such a great, perfect and loving god who never makes mistakes flood the world after being disappointing in what? His own handy-work of all things. And then brace yourselves.... State that he regrets flooding the world and will never do it again. So you have first mistake his creation and second mistake destroying his creation and this god is perfect how? No there is no God and to give up sensibility is the greatest sin I could ever commit. I will live my life in a manor that reflects the ideals of the bible because those ideals for the most part are in line with what is best for humanity unless we judge those ways have changed for the better and that does happen all the time.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God, never created evil, sin etc. When you were a believer what did you believe? I don't think you believed in the God of the bible. Free will is the cause of all mankind's misery but ultimately it's our greatest blessing. Use it wisely.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: Is 45:7!
  MM: What do we "stand to lose?" Healing which I recently exp'd?
  If u created robot, wouldn't u be jealous if he obtained mind of own & destroy? Gen1:26 HE gave DOMINION to u so u could (free will) create evil,sin, Flood..." MAN DID
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  Ashae Harrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Make a hub. If you are the child of black parents and punished once, you probably will commit the offence again; punished twice, you probably will do it again, but after three punishments, the parent either got it right, or leave you to sin.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AH: If that's what you "feel," you make a HUB!
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  LeslieAdrienneposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Bless your heart, Michael,
  The questions that you ask reflect the unfortunate truth about most believers and ex-believers.... they never learned the nature of God in Sunday School or Bible Study..... God still believes in you....
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "His Hand is still stretched out"
  (Is 5:12;25;8:11;9:17;21;10:4;13;13:7;14:2723:11; 25:11;26:11)
  but one has a choice (Josh 24:15)
  and must BELIEVE (Heb 3:19)
  in "rightly divided" WORD (II Tim 2:15)!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The reason why atheists turn from Christianity is because 'salvation' is obviously a manipulated story to unite pagans. But, atheist throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is a REASON WHY Jesus message was tampered with. We all need to find it.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MF: To lose souls like you who believe they can "research" and "reveal" better than the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS)!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Blessed, your god created Satan as you would know if you were a real xtian. did you inherit your religious beliefs as well? Be honest now as Norine has avoided answering this question. A real xtian would tell the truth. Which are you?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I came to the knowledge of Christ all by myself at the age of 13 because I was afraid of going to hell. Life went down hill till I hit rock bottom early 20s. Had explored other religions, no joy. Bought bible and found real Jesus or He found me.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I have REPEATEDLY said on HP, I rebelled against the "traditions" of parents who are now both dead! Was in a drunken stupor when HE "chose" me because HE saw I was TRULY tired of trying to do it *my* way (Humbled myself; 2Chron7:14) w/"PURE HEART!"
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Randy Godwinposted 8 years ago
What do you have to lose? Well for starters, how do you know for certain you're not worshipping the wrong god, or encouraging others--to the detriment of their souls--to do the same?

Well you say, the Bible sez--stop right there. You probably think the Bible is the inspired word of god because someone told you that. You also have no idea how and why the book came in being and who accomplished the task.

And as far as the New Testament is concerned, did you know all of the books were written by anonymous authors? You never wondered why The Gospel of -------------according to --------appears at the first of the gospels. All hearsay at the very least. Risk your soul on hearsay if you dare. And JC? Why do you think nothing was written about him during his supposed life nor for many decades thereafter?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, until one can "Provide a book w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies which was written before the Bible and I continue to "reap benefits" stated therein, IT IS WRITTEN!
  Can you?
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What proven prophesies are you speaking of, Norine? JC himself did not fit the prophesy of the Old Testament but I'd wager you did not know that. JC was foretold to be a great military leader and he certainly didn't fit this description at all.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I BELIEVE Bible! If HE tells us to "put on war clothes" (Eph 6:10-17), HE must be a "Military Leader!"
  If you don't believe Bible (GOD), you need to provide the book!
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  1 John 4 "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God". Randy no doubt if you are worshiping a God that is not loving it is probably the wrong God. NOrine likes the gory war parts of the Bible.
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If I write a book about Ulysses S. Grant and assert that in the year 1866 he predicted the Great Depression of 1929, to someone reading my book a hundred years from now, Grant will seem2b "a prophet." Prophcy can be written & fulfilled by same wr
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nude: Did you hear "AS MANY "ACCURATE" FULFILLED PROPHECIES AS BIBLE?"
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What great predictions came from the Bible, Norine? Can you name some?
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I understand the concept of prophesies. But I don't get the concept of believers trying to make prophesies out of context. Is there some Nostradamus concept here? Why do we care if predictions can be fit into occurrences?
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Ken Humphreys shows how Book of Mark has 2B fiction. Mark knows what the high priests were thinking, and knows what was said at the temptation on the mountain etc. It is written as fiction for a story-loving audience.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It's obvious Norine has inherited her religion like most other believers. If she'd been born in the middle east she'd be arguing that Allah was the main skydaddy.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  RG: No rm-Google! Their "sky daddy" didn't "create"-Not MY GOD!
  Eric: "We care" bcuz who KNEW; BUT GOD?
  Nude: Provide book!
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sura 7.54 Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil over the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sura 112
  1Say: He is Allah, the one;
  2Allah, the eternal absolute;
  3He does not beget (CREATE), nor is He begotten;
  4And there is none like unto Him.
  And HE LIES too!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So a god has to beget in order to be real, eh Norine? What about a god existing 100's of years before JC. He was the son of god, born of a virgin, was killed and arose 3 days later. His Name, Horus. I wonder why your god copied him in creating Jesus?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Randy dear this is a FAITH thing! Man can dummy up gods timelines etc but manifestation of actions in MY LIFE justifies MY BELIEF! Now, u can believe in a nail if u like & if it manifests actions in ur life that ur prerogative but for me & my
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, I suppose you're not one of those people who uses the talents "your god" gave you to discover the truth on your own. How arrogant you are to try to make people believe as you do as if you were someone to admire. Are you?
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  PaulGoodman67posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Glad to see you're still alive, Randy! I thought you were long gone!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I give WORD one can take it leave it "Choice" (Josh 24:15)! If you think GOD'S WORD came from *me,* so be it!
  I BELIEVE!
  Isaiah 8:20 says "To the LAW & to the TESTIMONY: if they speak NOT according to THIS WORD...there is NO LIGHT IN THEM!"
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  RachaelLeflerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Horus was not born of a virgin. He was conceived when his dad and mom did it but his dad had a golden winkie. That's not what I would call a virgin! He also was never specified to rise from the dead, it was Osiris, his father, who did that.
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine the only qualifying prophecy that ever came true was either written after the fact in a falsified historical record in order to try an make it look like it was predicted and came true or acted out to make it look true. ie The Donkey Ride.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  @Paul Goodman--Never left but HP banned me from the forums, mostly for arguing with ignorant people who believe a god speaks to them in their heads, Go figure!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Randy I hear God, don't you? Maybe you aren't listening, or maybe you are hard of hearing.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH, if you actually hear voices in your head then you need to see doctor of some sort, probably someone in the psychology department. Seriously!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The problem is, BH - neither you nor people 'just from your religion' are the only ones who hear from God; and most people don't 'direcly' hear from him - impulses, instincts, intuition are part of every single one of us without exception.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I suppose all of the ancient gods talked to their priests so they could pass on their wishes and rules. Otherwise we would never have heard of them at all. The NT was simply composed of the book of the week when the Greeks were creating them. Fiction
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry misfit but I don't belong to a religion. I'm a child of God.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Which god are you a child of, Misfit? Perhaps we should call you Jesusette? How many virgins did he molest anyway?
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  And yet, your perspective is the only one that you can believe - because you are one of a select few who have been singled out by God as his child? This is one of the ways Christianity creates divisions. Hitler was as much a child of God as you are.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  My bad, Misfit, my last comment was mean't for BH! Sorry!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hitler was a child in the sense that He was of God's creation, as are all people, but Hitler wasn't family. Only through faith in Jesus Christ can you be a child of God. I could explain covenant but you wouldn't get it.
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Muslims have a movement in America today. What do you have to lose by believing in Mohammed in a Christian environment? In Galatians the converts were told that they had to be circumcised ( a Jewish requirement) Paul tells them it is not required
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  rimbinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  you were talking wrong about Bible and Jesus because you westerners living a good life in your countries because of your ancestors believed Jesus.Jesus blessed them.come to countries with some christians you will see how people are suffering
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Learn Things Webposted 8 years ago
There are about 4000 religions being practiced around the world in modern times. Practitioners of each of those faiths believes theirs is the one and only truth and that all others are wrong. Most of those believers were indoctrinated into that belief system as a child. Many were raised to believe there will be some kind of awful punishment if they stop believing in that particular system of belief. No one can realistically believe in all 4000 just in case or just so they don't lose something. And most people aren't going to stop believing in the system of belief they were raised in just because someone says "believe in this instead, what do you have to lose?" People will either stick to the religion they were born into or they'll question those beliefs and conclude that they're irrational and just a modern form of mythology.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written BEFORE Bible and then tell me THE CREATOR is not THE GOD of the Universe!
  
  What "man" could have known with such "accuracy" UNLESS from THE CREATOR?
  
  Provide or their gods NOT GOD
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Archaeology (Finkelstein, Herzog, Dever and others) clearly shows no correlation between Bible and events. It would have been cool, but no Exodus, no 10 commndmnts, no kingdms of Dvid/Solomn rather kill Bible's historicity, not2mention Dead Sea Scrls
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Irrelevant! - Men LIE!
  
  PROVIDE THE BOOK!
  You bore me! I'm going to bed!
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Learn Things Web- listen to the book of Galatians. People are going to stick to their religious beliefs. However, Jesus called Paul to preach the gospel to those who would not have heard his message.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JESUS spoke through Paul (Acts 9:15;Gal 1:12) to preach the Gospel of Christ (GRACE; Acts 20:24) to ALL (Gal 3:28) and if we don't preach "ACCURSED" (Gal 1:6-9)!
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tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago
For many secularists, what they lose is:
* branding that being left/liberal = smart, rational, good, kind, tolerant - and becoming conservative/Christian = stupid, ignorant, bad, intolerant.
* the ability to abandon conservative sexual mores for a sexual free for all
* a wide selection of validation methods and self esteem movements that offer the sense of community the church does without condemnation of most actions except betraying that group's looser principles
* morality based on how you feel, whereas religions say do what the higher power says is right; liberalism's morality based on feelings takes the extreme of if you feel you're a woman you are regardless of the plumbing, but on more mundane matters, if you feel you had good intent, the consequences don't matter and actions themselves that are in violation of religious morality and the law become permissible, like SJWs threatening violence and trying to cost people jobs and relationships for expressing a politically incorrect opinion
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God's O.T. morality is a joke... Adam/Eve with NO knowledge of good/evil are tested. Eve couldn't have sinned if she had no knowledge of sin. It's a fable anyway, but how silly! The God drowns all but 8 of his children! O.T slavery? Joke. Rape? Joke,
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nude: GOD gave LAW: "DO NOT EAT...but "ate" therefore "sin!"
  GOD is THE CREATOR & got TIRED of sin via man as HE is TODAY!
  "Not w/water but FIRE next time" (II Pet 3:1-10)!
  
  Watch for "the joke!"
  See who laughs last!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nudely what makes your professors and archaeologists credible but Christian ones not? Surely not their titles, maybe their evidence? How many millions take them seriously? And a YouTube channel, man that is some serious creds right there. Please
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Since Nude has so much "evidence," Provide a book with as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written before the Bible which would prove Bible a LIE!
  You're good @ researching Nude! So Provide!
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Nudelyposted 8 years ago
Blessed Hill: "If the bible is true, and it is..."

Nudely: Um, who says it is true? Well Paul says so in 2nd Timothy 3:16 "All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness." So, the Bible says the Bible is true! Hmmm... that's rich! BTW, does he imply here that Muslim and Hindu scripture is also breathed out by God? Just curious.

So why should I trust Paul? Who was he? Where can I read his bio? Oh, in the Bible of course!

Then too, there is that minor snag that by the end of the 20th Century, most modern critical scholars argued that 2 Timothy wasn't even written by Paul! They believe the pastoral epistles were penned by an anonymous follower of Paul, sometime after his death in the First Century. Who was this author? Why should I trust him?

Blessed Hill: "...faith in Jesus Christ promises an abundant life now and for eternity."

Nudely: OK, same question as above. Who says JC promises this or that? Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. OK, but the oldest manuscripts of the Gospels extant are missing those titles, so we REALLY don't know for certain that they are written by the people to whom they are now popularly ascribed. You're trusting four ANONYMOUS authors from antiquity! You're trusting four authors who disagree among themselves about the genealogical history of Joseph and details of Biblical events. In fact, it appears as though you're trusting one author, Mark, whose story the other "gospel writers" embellished upon.

There is great uncertainty as to who wrote the gospels and exactly when, but we know that DOZENS of other similar gospels were written at the same time, most of which were disregarded as inauthentic. Who were the people that judged the authenticity of the scriptures? Why do you trust them?

I could go on, but I think it is clear, Jesus is a fiction.

If you want to study Jesus from a disbelievers perspective, I highly recommend the jesusneverexisted channel on youtube. Ken Humphreys has short 5-8 minute videos detailing the mythicist's position, that is, the position of we who believe the story of Jesus to be the stuff of myth. Remember, when the gospels were written, the world's strongest, and most technologically advanced nation, Rome, still believed in all the Roman gods and goddesses... they believed that a friend or relative of the Emperor could be deified eternally by a vote of the Roman Senate. People were as credulous then as they are now! ~Nudely
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you need to "Provide a book w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies written before Bible to even BEGIN proof GOD doesn't exist!" Can you?
  Who else would have "inspired men" to know these prophecies, BUT GOD?
  Please provide!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If Jesus Christ was a myth why did the Roman empire make Christianity it's state religion when it found out you can't kill something that is true. Their thinking: If we can't kill them we'll join them. By doing so the empire created the religion.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: GOD TOLD me to ask all Atheist/Unbelievers this question. I didn't know that the Bible had more "accurate fulfilled prophecies" than any other book but the question just came into mind; I googled and THERE ISN'T ANOTHER!
  I don't care-GOD LIVES
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  https://metrobibleblog.wordpress.com/20 … s-kingdom/
  
  I pasted an article above. Many believe the second coming has not taken place.
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  B.H.: you ask, "why did the Roman empire make Christianity it's state religion." A.: because Constantine was a sucker4a good story. He had power to enforce. WhyDidConstantine'sEarlyChurch slaughter tens of 1000's of innocent pagans?WereTheyChrstlike?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nude: You can believe man, but as "revealed" to me by GOD to ask the question, NO ONE can tell me GOD DOESN'T EXIST!
  Now would you please answer the question or "babbling!"
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  RachaelLeflerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A textbook on any of the science has tons of "accurate prophesies", in that it predicts things and they are true predictions. Funny thing about prophesy is that every culture had them, and they're usually vague drivel you can interpret many ways.
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Marisa Wrightposted 8 years ago
So what you are saying is, you should believe in Jesus Christ in order to get a reward?

That's like saying you should be nice to the old lady next door because she might remember you in her will. That is a terribly selfish thing to say and very unChristian. You should be nice to the little old lady because it is the right thing to do, not in expectation of being rewarded.

If you are only believing in Jesus Christ because you want Him to reward you, then you are not a genuine believer.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I don't! I would LOVE anyone who DIED FOR ME & sent "gifts" for me to benefit from IN THIS LIFE!
  This "SPIRITUAL JOURNEY" is BEYOND man's intelligence! The "mind of Christ" gives by-products, e.g. loving ALL w/o seeking rewards!
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  kwade tweelingposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Wonderfully put, Marisa.
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  Marisa Wrightposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're still offering people a bargain - you're saying, believe in Jesus BECAUSE he's going to give you gifts. That's bribery not belief.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Bravo! The trouble with beliefs is that it can be such a fine line between the two in this case - so many people do go to church or believe because they are afraid. What if the consequences were removed. Would you still be devoted? Good question.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God is a loving and giving God. Since the 1st day of creation He has been looking for ways do His creation good. He created everything good for our good. The promise He made Abraham was that He was going to bless him. Abraham just had to believe
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God has been looking for ways???!!! LMAO!!! Apparently you missed the ALL-KNOWING, all-powerful, always present part of the story. God, supposedly exists outside of time and therefore "been" and "is going to" aren't really applicable to anyone but us
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If one doesn't BELIEVE in [ANYTHING] JESUS, no results!
  "For as he thinketh, in his heart so is he" (Prov 23:7)!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is not true - there are all kinds of things that get accomplished in this world because people 'believe'; and many of them are accomplished by atheists. How is it that someone like Trump succeeds? It is bcuz he BELIEVES in himself.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I SAID! If ANYONE believe ANYTHING that what he manifests! I BELIEVE in the POWER of the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS) not as you - "Researching!"
  Why don't u? Don't say u do, bcuz you'd let HIM do HIS JOB!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is your judgmental perspective, and this is what I am always trying to get across to you: YOU do not have a singular, idyllic hold on 'the Spirit'; and you insult the rest of us by insisting that you are the only one with TRUTH. God is diverse.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD is "ONE" SPIRIT (I Cor 12; Eph 4:4-6) with "ONE" MIND (Phil 2:5)! No one has "dibs" on GOD; although I KNOW HE carries a picture of me in HIS wallet (LOL)!
  We ALL have the SAME opportunity to BELIEVE in HIS WORD/HIS POWER/HIS "ONE" MIND!
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible is true because the writers of the Bible said it is true! Christ was born of a virgin, didn't write anything, was misquoted anyway, was properly crucified, his carcass was misplaced due to a clerical error, and thus a religion was born.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If that's your religion, so be it!
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is just as plausible as yours.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Then believe!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nudely you are hilarious, if you wrote a book I would read it simply for the laugh.
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  sparkie06posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When I do for other people I do it from my heart. .. not to be rewarded. That is who I am, a child of God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, sometimes MORE, sometimes less but OK for GOD "look @ the heart" (II Sam 16:7) and the pocketbook! lol
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  Venice Kichuraposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It seems we got away fm Marisa saying we believe for rewards! Those r by-products not reasons for BELIEF! Again, ANYONE who dies for me (as my husband gave up SELF which is same in carnal sense) I LOVE!
  
  Plan/simple: THANKFUL showing GRAD/OBEYING!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa: Benefits are only by-products for a BELIEVER!
  CHRIST "DIED" for us & as spouse GIVES UP his/her life for one; showing LOVE, we show LOVE for GOD SAME by "GIVING UP" BLVING & PRAISING!
  Eph 5:32 ".."I speak concerning CHRIST & THE
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  AdamMason113posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Or he or she could be saying, they want to spend eternity with God because they love him so much. It doesn't specify so you shouldn't judge. He or She is right, you have nothing to lose and its great. The Bible says that God is a jealous God, fyi
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's the GREATEST "reward/benefit/by-product!" But now she'll say we're only believing for "fire insurance!" ??? Ps103:12 "...forget not all his benefits!" Judge? Nope! Too many to mention-limited space but could add on to yours!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God may have 'one mind', Norine - but, it is WAY bigger than your's or mine; and MUCH more diverse. If that were not true, then there would not be so much diversity. That book that you worship is NOT God or Spirit. Sola Scriptura research the debate.
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  News of the Yearposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  This is a logical fallacy that has been spouted by religious people for ages. It's called "Pascal's Wager" and it's tiresome and stupid.
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  Jackie Lynnleyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Christian comes from the name Christ Jesus. Everyone is invited and will feel the call but not everyone will accept and that is your choice. God does not instruct us to harm anyone not His but to pray for you. Your choice where you go. Completely.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, the word Christian comes from 'Christos' or 'Christ Consciousness' being 'within' - which was the original message Jesus taught: we are exactly like him. He didn't become 'the christ' until superstitious pagans took him out of context.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Christos is the Greek word for the Hebrew word Messiah, which means anointed. You are perverting God's Word to fit your doctrine. Very dangerous.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Christ Consciousness is a real word/phrase that existed in many religions BEFORE Jesus Christ existed on this planet. Do your research instead of insisting that the manipulations of ancient killers & murders is 'the truth'. I wrote a hub - try it
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Try it? Are you insane!? Go peddle your harlotry some place else.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There are so many holes poked into the salvation story, its ridiculous. ALL Christians have a hard time coming to grips with the truth, but it is slowly happening. Do you KNOW where all the ridiculous new conspiracy theories come from? Research truth
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  someguy77posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, though I'll add that Christianity by its very nature appeals to our very selfish sides, starting with its promise to bring us eternal life and live forever. Who doesn't want that?
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah BH, a loving giving god. What about the flood? He apparently didn't see the evil coming so he drowned everyone and everything. I can see it now, the last few bunny rabbits trying to make it to high ground, but alas, sinful animals die as well.
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  Ericdierkerposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Marisa, I think you make a very valid point. This "if this then that" thinking is really a little bit lame. We really should do what is right for right's sake. But I think "faking it until you make it" is alright for a beginning. Like my going to gym
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All who have accepted Jesus are like Him. Everything produces after its kind. Dogs give birth to puppies, cats give birth to kittens and tigers give birth to tiger cubs. In the same manner, when you are born again, you are born of God. And His child.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, we are exactly like Christ when we are born - not after we 'accept' him as 'savior'. NONE of us would exist without a 'christos' within. It is our battery and our life-force. That was Christ's original message: we have our own light within.
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus existed before creation because God is the Father Son and Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is our life force through Jesus.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Christ often spoke of his 'christos within' - the same kind we have - and C's misinterpret it in literal ways to mean that 'he' as a person IS that 'christos'. No, he came to show us that WE are just like him, not that he was going to 'do for us'.
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Jesus for what you have done are doing and going to do. Praise the name of Jesus.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Pagan = Jesus, Christ = Christos, the 'holy spirit' that Christianity managed to single out in a deeply pagan way hundreds of years after his death in order to unite the many pagan religions among the vast empire. Trust State, not yourself = bogus.
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It looks like you are saying I am bogus (yourself = bogus) but then you have no idea I am being led by the Holy Spirit.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You and everyone here - LoL! How many times have we heard peeps say this? If we believed every person, gosh things get befuddled, huh? Believe it or not, I TOO am being 'led by the spirit' - which is my point. C's believe HS is exclusive = bogus.
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  Stella Kayeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So well said Marisa. Do the right things according to your finer conscience whatever your religious beliefs or not. Do the best for all concerned ,yourself included.
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  Let-freedom-rigngposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  One should be kind because it is the right thing to do. Care about things because it is who you are.
  Belief system is a choice not a necessary option. And choosing to believe in Jesus due to the conviction of not believing, is okay as well.
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  Constantcashposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  From what I have learned, Jesus came to show us how to live in harmony with each other. He set the example and ask that we CHOOSE to follow his teaching.
  I cannot find anywhere in the Bible where he forced anyone to believe or follow him.
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kwade tweelingposted 8 years ago
I started to answer the question "Believe in Jesus Christ, what do you have to lose?" and it quickly became clear it would take an article rather than a simple reply. read more
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  neat, learn something today
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  kwade tweelingposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent. Learning is fantastic. What did you learn?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Can't seem to post on your article Kwade. But your story is very similar to mine. Only difference is I rebelled first against God then against mainstream church doctrine and decided to find out who God was for my outside of church. And I did.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You and every other person who is convinced that the truth they have come up with is 'the right one'. Christians view their religion to be 'good' - but, what are the fruits that hang off of it? Major inferiority complexes in kids & adults is a st
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't come up with the truth I just believed it.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe, many Christians have discovered the truth and have things in perspective - but, I haven't gotten that impression from you. What do you believe 'the truth' is; and why do you believe it? Is it because of a book written by manipulative killers?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  MF: Why do u continue to display unbelief in the Power of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:9)? You don't believe Holy Spirit has Power? You don't believe JESUS (aka Holy Spirit) will "lead & guide us into ALL truth?"
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I believe in Jesus Christ, everything He said and everything He did. He is THE TRUTH. He is the expressed image of God. See Jesus you see God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! For there is "ONE SPIRIT" not three different entities (Trinity)! GOD operates in "GLORIES" throughout Scripture! We do too IF "in Christ!" II Cor 3:18 says we "change fm "glory to glory" (the same as GOD) by the SPIRIT..." We Christlike 2
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  kwade tweelingposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Huh, Hubpages was being odd about this article and comments. I didn't see all the comments here before now. It cracks me up that the "believers" can rarely have a discussion about it. It's always declarations, or attempted conversions. Sad, really.
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julietjulesposted 8 years ago
And the most important question is "was Jesus Christ a God?"

Did he ever claim himself as a God by himself?

Was Bible written by Jesus Christ Or God?
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  After Joseph, Pharoah arose. The old testament is about God sending prophets to the Israelites. The Sabbath is God's day of rest. God's power was transferred to His son, Jesus. The new church was built on Peter. Paul head the mission to the Gentiles.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AP: Not TRUE! I Tim 3:16 say "GOD manifested [HIMSELF] in the flesh"Jn 5:18 & Phil 2:6 JESUS CHRIST "equal w/GOD!" JESUS & GOD="SAME SPIRIT" (I Cor 12;Eph4:4-6;Is45:5;Rev1:8;22:13) in diff "GLORIES" (Jn1:14)!
  RELIGION KILLS!
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  Say Yes To Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Was Bible written by Jesus Christ Or God?"
  Interesting point! Jesus never wrote any books, and neither did some Cosmic Deity!
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Matthew Kirkposted 8 years ago
What do you have to lose?

1. Your independence of thought and morals.
2.The Lifestyle you want if it contradicts the bible in the slightest.
3. Your Sunday Mornings, which I enjoy walking my dog and having breakfast with my wife.
4. Depending upon which denomination exactly; reasoning and belief in science.
5. Sex life is effected depending upon which denomination again. Just read that Atheists have better sex, I can believe it!
6. Atheists earn higher incomes on average
7. Atheists live longer and are happier according to most academic polls (this is something I believe as we are far more at ease with ourselves and accepting in general).
8. Atheists don't have to hate everyone or try and 'convert' people. Some choose to, but that is their choice, an ancient text doesn't tell them to.
9. Atheists don't have to choose between the 'bible' or the 'qua-ran' or any other text - so when you ask 'what do you have to lose by accepting jesus' - why accept Jesus? Why not the islam god, or the Jewish doctrine or Sikhism etc - what do we have to lose from accepting ALL or ANY of them?
10. What do Atheists have to lose by staying 'non-believers'? They are only non-believers because they don't believe in Jesus in the first place!

If this is aimed at other religions and not Atheists (likeI'm guessing it is) then revert to 9.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well said, except atheists who keep insisting that there is 'no god' at all - is what keeps this debate alive. While the salvation message of Jesus is bogus & designed to unite multi-pagan religions; if all knew Jesus real message, debate would s
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What you have mentioned Jesus didn't teach/preach. I earn well over 100k a yr
  Go to church maybe 3x a week because we want to
  Think independently of others, just read my hubs
  Rarely sick
  Great marriage and 4 kids
  And God continues to bless
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Blessed, those things R happening to you simply because U 'believe' - it is the Universal Law of Attraction - basically, what Jesus was teaching while doing 'miracles'. He was showing people who they R & what they R capable of to improve their li
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Bill Gates ($79.4B) says "...there's no scientific explanation of how it [the world] came about! It MAKES SENSE to BELIEVE in GOD!"
  Now, where's "your [intelligent] thinking?"
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Mark 11:22-24 says have faith in God 1st then whatsoever you say without doubting you will get, paraphrasing. Bible also says all good things come from God above, believer or unbeliever. That's grace and mercy.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! He does "rain on the just & unjust" (Matt5:45)! FAITH in BELIEVING HIS "rightly divided WORD" is the key to EVERYTHING & produces MORE ACTION!
  Mk 6:5-6; Matt 13:58!
  BELIEVE!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Grace & Mercy are part of the pagan inferiority complex that is placed upon 'believers'. If you knew the truth about yourself (that Jesus was trying to teach before his message was hijacked) - you would know that you do not need those things.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I NEED JESUS! I BELIEVE in JESUS! JESUS DIED FOR ME! WHO wouldn't LOVE JESUS! Why do you shame HIM thinking you can "Research" better? Why do you cause HIS DEATH to be in vain? Why do you display you HATE HIM? Why?
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  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  EXCELLENT PREMISE............ONE LOSES EVERYTHING WHEN ONE BECOMES RELIGIOUS-RELIGION IS VERY ANTI-LIFE........
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lose what? Ego/Pride? When 1 comes to the realization "They are the creation" & not THE CREATOR, it's easy! We enjoy life the same as unbelievers! Wine,dine, dancing, movies, bowling, etc, we just PUT GOD FIRST! What do we "give up?"
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  People think they lose their freedom as a Christian. Not so. Following Christ welcomes you into a supportive family where you pray for and help each other. Prohibitions are because of the impact on self or someone else. Love God and thy neighbor
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johnmariowposted 8 years ago
I have nothing to lose and everything to gain by believing in our Lord Jesus. Our Lord Jesus did not promise us a life without problems. He did not promise us a life without suffering. He promised us an eternal life with Him in Heaven if we do as he said.

I believe in our Lord Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen!
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I feel sorry for you
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "HIS hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)!
  READ how many times GOD SAID this in the Book of Isaiah!
  GOD is MERCIFUL!
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  Minxette4posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to that brother
  People who do believe have so much more and because of this can give (spirituality) so much more
  I thank HIM every day for opening my eyes & heart 2 b "BORN AGAIN" xoxoxo
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  John, you can believe all you like. You can yearn to share those beliefs...that does not bother me. But if you can respect my disbelief, unconditionally, without implying I must change to your beliefs, then I can respect you likewise.
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  Damian10posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Tetelestai, it is done. He has already done it. The rest is up to us.
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David Pollardposted 8 years ago
The Bible cannot be true because it is riddled with contradictions and obvious errors. For example, the genealogies of Jesus in Matthew and Luke are different and, if Jesus is the son of god, then what is the point of the genealogies anyway?
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  In Galatians 1:17, Paul said that he did not go to Jerusalem, nor met with the disciples. In Acts, 9:26 he went to Jerusalem and met with the disciples. I taught factoring, and was told to use only one method. The method approved by the institution.
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  Damian10posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that the genealogy is there to show the link to King David. The historic finding of the artifact called the Tel Dan Inscription in the thirteenth century clearly denotes that there was such a person ( King David ) and a House of David.
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  Anthony Ethanposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Jews meticulously kept genealogies. Matthew, a Jewish man, stood by tradition in stating the man Joseph's genealogy. Luke, a gentile, the same one who said Jesus was the "son of Joseph, so they thought," broke from tradition and stated Mary's.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, there are a million & 1 ways to 'prove' Jesus existed; but getting Christians to believe that the manipulated salvation message has been harmful to them, their kids and the entire world is another matter, entirely. There R obvious errors pro
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Name a couple dozen right quick. LOL!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Christians R not the stupidest people on the planet - and your dogma is as dangerous as theirs. It is in fact one of the main reasons WHY nothing about Christianity ever changes - bcuz atheist also refuse to research. Truth = Freedom 4 All Be Brave!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Out of "a million & 1 ways to 'prove' Jesus existed" you could not come up with even the one? Oh but you know them, right? LOL
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, I wrote a long hub about it - it is the 1st one in my spotlight articles. Yes, there IS 'proof' that a Universal 'God' exists. Read it and weep. You're wrong.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AP: Paul was NOT "accepted" by apostles in Acts9:26 so they didn't "teach" him (Gal1:12) so he wasn't "with them!"
  Randy: Provide a bk w/as many "accurate" fulfilled prophecies & "prove" there's NO GOD!
  MF: "Research" DEFIES SCRIPTURE (Prov3:5)!
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  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  @DAVID, thank you.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Dav: THE CREATOR (aka GOD/HOLY SPIRIT) "reveals" LIES (Jn 14:26)! "Genealogy" in Bible shows how GOD "protects HIS people" (even KILL) to "accomplish HIS will" (JESUS) & to show "man's thinking" of how JESUS came via man! GREAT ALLEGORY!
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They had a bunch of wine drinking monks write the bible 200 to 300 years after Jesus. And we all know no virgin can have a baby unless she is artificially inseminated.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  But WHO "guided those "drunken minds?" With GOD ALL things are possible" (Lk 1:37) & can inspire "drunken minds" too (II Tim 3:16)! I found HIM "drunk!"
  Yup! "Overshadowed" by the HOLY SPIRIT (aka JESUS/GOD) as stated in Lk 1:35!
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Afnan Asifposted 8 years ago
Eternal life means that the life which you live in heaven or a hell. It does not mean that you live in this timely world for a long time.So,problems and difficulties are always there but one day you will live the life but beyond the boundaries of this world.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IF one "WAITS" (Acts 1:4) for Holy Spirit's "guidance" (Jn 14:26) they can live as Christ (aka GOD) "in this world" (I Jn4:17)!
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ian 12amposted 8 years ago
Science has proven that human beings are spiritual in nature. Its for this reason that most communities believe in a superior being who protects them and brings good luck. You lose nothing if you decide to believe in Jesus Christ, but you also lose nothing for believing in Allah or Buddha. If your faith doesn't require you to do inhumane things, then it should be acceptable. Is Jesus and Christianity the right religious sect? the answer depends on what you want to believe. But there are facts to prove the historicity of Christ, and some of these histories relate with the historicity of Islam. I strongly believe there is a God, and that most of us worship the same God, but in different ways
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It proves you are not "Christian" and if Islam you believe Allah (GOD) "never created!" Well if Allah (GOD) "never created," where did we come from?
  This proves one must be careful in "what" they believe and there aren't gods to the CREATOR!
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Egooks45posted 8 years ago
You cannot begin with "if", immediately assume the truth of your assertion, and then expect to be taken seriously.

When you see how much harm and suffering has been caused down the centuries by people who held sincere religious beliefs, you have to question whether it is such a good idea to follow a religion - whatever it is. See : http://www.fifa16hacknosurvey.com/
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The reason "if" is okay is because, "If Egypt is in Africa and it is". Suffering is blamed on religion, but the aim of religion is to take one out of the harm and suffering. However, if one goes back to ways of Egypt, then it is back to suffering.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  PROBLEM: "following a religion" and not the HOLY SPIRIT!
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Let me try again. "If Egypt is in Africa,and it is; obey the 10 commandments". If you break the commandments, it is back to suffering. Then, God has to find another way to heal and end suffering. In addition God offers salvation to believers.
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If Bible is true, then everything that surrounds us is false. God appears 2 hav made earth's creatures by evolutn, made stars millions lightyears away, made continents drift, made dinosaurs...all illusions! Ignore what u see, beleve only in god huh?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AP: "10 Commandments WERE our Schoolmaster but after FAITH comes we no longer need them" (Gal 3:23-24)! What r u talking?
  Nude: "Ignore what u see?" This is SPIRITUAL not carnal ("seeing" w/natural eyes!)! What r u talking?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Evolution is man's poor attempt to explain creation with limited knowledge and understanding, which is why it's still a THEORY. People can't grasp concept of the vastness of the universe because they're bound by time. U need an eternal perspective
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  II Cor 4:18 "While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are TEMPORAL; but the things which are not seen are ETERNAL."
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  WiccanSageposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Blessed, you realize a scientific theory is not the same thing as a colloquial theory, right? A theory is as high as it gets in science, it's a collection of proven facts that support the same conclusion.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Why do Jews and Christians before our current time believe the creation story to be a metaphor - but, Christians today (again) take it literally? Sure you 'get good' from The Bible as any bad book, along with the twists that have been misinterpreted.
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Doc Snowposted 8 years ago
Real belief, as C.S. Lewis pointed out, isn't based on an exterior calculation of benefits and risks; it's based upon what you actually assess as being true, based upon your perceptions and thoughts--life as you experience it and process it.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I like CS Lewis, much more focus on spirituality and inner-relationship than theology. He coined the phrase, "You don't have a soul, you ARE a soul - you have a body." We all have a WORKING soul that does NOT need to be 'activated' by God/Jesus.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Soul" = mind, body spirit! Mind & body = yours, but spirit belongs to GOD "IF" one BELIEVES in HIM (WORD); otherwise, lies "DORMANT!"
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TechGNHposted 8 years ago
Prophet Jesus didn't die, Allah raised him to the sky when he was about to die and replaced him with a lookalike, you can't even imagine how but this Allah's power capable of doing anything. Why don't you believe in Islam and everything will be peaceful.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "Why don't I believe in Islam?" Because "Allah (GOD) never "CREATED" which is a LIE!
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  rawaraufposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  @norine Williams
  are you for serious ? I know you can't that is because everyone in this world knows that this earth and this land we are living on , this air we breathe in and out is not here by chance as you may say. It has to be created by someone
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  A Muslin showed me this under another Q: Sura 112 Al-Ikhlas (Sincerity)1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3 He begetteth (CREATETH) not, nor is He begotten; 4 And there is none like unto Him." Why Sura 112 say this
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Christianity came into existence over 500 years before Islam. The beginning of Islam is attributed to 610 AD when Muhammad is claimed to have a revelation.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If "what came first" is important then Hinduism should be the true religion as it was the first.
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Aime, my comment was in response to TechGNH who said Muhammad "created" God. But Hinduism changes and the Bible doesn't mention it. If it gives you the assurance you need, good for you.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't really matter. You're willing to dismiss one contradiction but not another.
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Contradiction? What each person believes is between the person and God. I find no contradiction in God's Word.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Which God? Shiva? Vishnu?
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  None of those. I believe in the Creator of heaven and earth.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Right. You believe that God created everything so that dismisses any other religion that came before yours, kinda like Islam does by saying that Allah created everything. It's the same logic.
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not an expert on Islam. I believe in one God period.
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  News of the Yearposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Prove Islam wrong, Norine. Prove Hinduism, Taoism, Scientology, wrong. The Bible has no more veracity than any of these, and you know it.
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  EmyJeanCposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  John 14:5-6 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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RachaelLeflerposted 8 years ago
You stand to lose a hell of a lot, if Christianity does not turn out to be correct, and you die, and are judged by a God or gods that do not sympathize with your beliefs. Like if the Muslim god is correct, or Judaism, then you are guilty of blasphemy and idolatry for worshiping a man as God and proclaiming a false teacher's words as the words of God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BELIEVE - THE HOLY SPIRIT (aka GOD) "guides into ALL truth" (Jn 14:26)!
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  Nudelyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The bible has been debunked pretty thoroughly, and it appears no other deities are vying for the top nod. Now the battle is to deprogram all Jewish/Christian/Muslim bots who are so inured with ancient tripe. To Reverse centurys of damage won't be EZ.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus said, "follow Me." not Christianity! Following a religion will always leave u feeling empty, robbed and disillusioned. Just look at some of the people who have commented here. Proof that religion kills.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nu:Every wonder why peeps want to "debunk?"Promises by GOD unfulfill! Why? Didn't follow laws governing receipt of Promises 1st: "WAIT" for "HELP!" I'd lv 2! Misfit got "a taste" & set out (self) to see what IT was!
  Christianity of CHRIST-RELG K
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jehovah (God) took the children of Israel out of Egypt, but did not let them enter the promised land because of disobedience. If the gods of other religion are true, then there are rules to follow or you will be punished. Jesus offers forgiveness.
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Noreen, I respect your opinion but I think you are blind
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BUT "His hand is still stretched out" (Isaiah)! Have you READ yet? How many times?
  I HATE RELIGION didn't disciple you as CHRIST did HIS followers!
  GOD - I HATE RELIGION (Ps 139:22)!
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  EmyJeanCposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.
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gmwilliamsposted 8 years ago

Religion encourages victimology, passivity & ignorance. NO THANK YOU. I have observed religious people & they are some of the most backwards. They are emotionally immature, intellectually obtuse, & in general are anti-achievement.

They see Jesus Christ as the be-all & end-all when he is merely a man. When will people realize that Jesus Christ is a man & the bible is a conglomeration of books written by.........mere men. Religion is a type of schizophrenia. If one believes in religion, h/she becomes divorced from the world, h/she isn't interested in interacting w/the world because to them, the world is E-VUHL. This is a type of psychotic sickness.

Religious people inculcate their children in the worst way. They teach them that they're sinners & are nothing. This is EGREGIOUS CHILD ABUSE of the highest level. They imbue their children with a backward philosophy which isn't relevant in the postmodern 21st century. They believe in outmoded general roles, especially for girls & women. They also are anti-progressive because they view such as wholly antithetical to their religion.

Well, you can keep your religion & the mythology of Jesus Christ. I am an educated, mentally healthy person who loves this world & will engage in it. Also, the religious Jesus is FAR DIFFERENT from the real Jesus. The real Jesus wasn't for religion at all. He was for full realization & self expression. Jesus was a man & he wasn't meant to be worshipped. Religionists, as usual, have everything totally wrong & awry. People are wise not to believe in the manufactured mythology of Jesus & religion.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I Jn 2:16! GRACE you need to tell Bill Gates ($47.9B; the richest man in the US) this! I'm sure he'd like to know he's IGNORANT! Honey, RELIGION has MOST thinking we're victims, passive & ignorant! I'm FREE, BOLD, & get "understanding" FROM
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God took a group of people out of Egyptian slavery. Jesus, worked among a group of people who were offered no health care. Paul preached to a group of people who were doomed anyway. Maybe, men (not God) encourage all those things you mentioned.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Grace, you would agree that it takes educated people to get a Noble prize right. The majority of those winners are Christ followers. So it's time atheists stop believing the myth that believers are backwards dumb folk who cannot analyse information
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  frumpletonposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Well said, Grace. Churches are for sinners. And I guess, they have to believe in something instead of the reality of life. Things aren't usually wonderful. Religion is fine as a crutch if you can't deal with life
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  GOD! I LOVE THAT BABY! lol
  Frump: I HATE RELIGION! Look what they've done to you! They just shook your hand & took your $! Left you to "figure it out!"
  Didn't CHRIST train HIS followers? Did HE not "keep them" w/Power of Holy Spirit?
  RELIGION?
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  rimbinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When british people came to our country,they brought us a light 'Jesus'.But now the same people are not believing Him.We are believing and following Him under many hard problems.So that He raised us from poor to 6th strongest nation in the world
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  News of the Yearposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible was written by humans. For some reason, Christians can't fathom the idea that someone simply picked up and wrote the rest of the story where the last guy left off. Where's the evidence of God's existence? Oh yeah. Nowhere.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, evidence of 'god' isn't the problem - there is plenty of evidence for that (re: my spotlight hub). Because of how twisted Christianity is, 'God' gets thrown out the window with Jesus & the salvation message. Science is finding neat thin
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  gconeyhidenposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Did you ever head of Buddha or other people other then just Jesus.
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Glenis Rixposted 8 years ago
Religion has been the cause of wars since time out of mind. So, yes, there is a lot to lose until everyone starts to recognise that we are one people on a small planet. Jesus was a great philosopher - so were a number of other religious icons. Just recognise them for what they were - human beings like the rest of us.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Glen: Jesus was not a "human being like the rest of us" that's why they killed HIM saying "HE was equal to GOD" in Jn 5:18 (and HE doesn't LIE) and HE was for HE was GOD (I Tim 3:16)!
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I believe the author of this hub posted from the perspective of a believer and it has led to some people (believers) getting hurt. These discussions always end up hurting someone. The answer to the question what do you have to lose is self evident.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Michael--When ignorant people make claims of gods and state unproven opinions which don't agree with the facts, they set themselves to be hurt. Of course, many of them just keep spewing religious garbage even if someone proves them wrong.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Have you not read my comments?
  Again, Bill Gates ($47.9B) richest man in US BELIEVES IN GOD? You should be so "IGNORANT!"
  If resources or proof required, he has it; yet believes which should tell one "THIS IS A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY" beyond "facts!"
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Randy you are exactly right. But, I have to wonder why they keep doing it to themselves. It's like they feel they are defending god. Why would such a great and mighty god need them to come to his defense?
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Michael--Norine and others have been brainwashed from their early years to not question the Bible. Of course, these ladies ignore the scripture which tells them not to speak out about religion in a public place. But Norine won't speak of this.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  HE'S GOD & LOVES PRAISE! We praise HIM! HE doesn't need us, we need HIM for HE SAID HE would make "rocks cry out" (Lk 19:40) or praise HIM if we don't!
  What do u have to lose? Bill Gates ain't worried! Why u?
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's right Norine, keep going against the scripture and speaking out about religion. You're going to hell if you don't stop sinning. Do you ever answer questions? Probably not, you'd have to have answers to do so.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IF u FOOLS are referring to I Cor 14:15 you are IGNORANT to WORD. It says "...women keep SILENCE in the church..." not SILENT!" YOU FOOLS! A threatened "man" interpreted It the way u thk! lol
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Michael, Randy- this question did exactly what I wanted it to do. Give believers the opportunity to profess their faith and show how naysayers avoid answering the question or give reasons that are irrelevant or unsubstantiated. Believing is free
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It is not your place to tell anyone that the reasons for their beliefs are irrelevant or unsubstantiated. And just when I thought maybe you weren't being as superficial with this question as I had originally thought. My bad.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Aime F you misunderstand. I'm not saying there beliefs are irrelevant but reasons for not answering the question. The question is designed to provoke pple to investigate what they belve not attack what others believe. Apologies for misunderstanding
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: Wow u sound "politically correct!" Titus 1:13 says "THIS WITNESS IS TRUE. Wherefore REBUKE THEM "SHARPLY," that they may be sound in the faith." or Lev 19:17 "REBUKE!"
  I guess that's why I moved to the dungeon not "religiously correct?"
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I want God to be real as much or more than anybody. It's not my fault that he is not real. I would never deny him if he were something more than imagination but he is not. He is not the creator, nor the Shepard or Savior he is just a hoax.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No you don't ! You just want to have fun "mocking" HIM but you BLASPHEME against the Holy Spirit by doing so!!
  Since u r worldly, I cont to ask, why would Gates believe who has enough $ to find out there's no GOD but still believes? Ask urself WHY?
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  rimbinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Many in the world are not accepting Jesus,but in our country many of them started believing Jesus as God.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  SCRIPTURE "WILL BE" FULFILLED!
  Matthew 24:14 "And THIS GOSPEL of The Kingdom of God (Gal 1:6-9) shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD for a WITNESS unto ALL NATIONS; AND THEN SHALL THE END COME!"
  HALLELUJAH!
  PRAISE HIS "HOLY" NAME - "JESUS!"
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Lince Tomyposted 8 years ago
First of all, i would like to say that the base of the question itself is wrong as following Jesus is not like a side-hobby which you do for fun and you don't expect to lose something but when the time comes, you back out.

But still going ahead I would like to say that if you want to believe or follow a person you should know what all there is to know about the person if you don't believe what others are saying. i myself had doubted my faith many times but the only thing(frankly speaking) that had helped me survive it that was evident proof was that Jesus is real and is the Son of God.Only if you know about a thing yourself you trust it. That why i suggest go ahead, find out, believe (if the result was in the affirmative).
AMEN!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I still wonder why their "excuse" is no "proof" when the richest man in the US who has every "resource" to find "proof," BELIEVES!
  Something underlying?
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  LOL no, probably not "something underlying." You're really reaching now, Norine.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What's your point, Norine? What does your handbook say about rich folks getting into heaven? Yes I know, you don't answer questions. LOL!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  They have a better chance than an "UNBELIEVER" (Heb 13:9)!
  "Reaching" where? Tell me!
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You think that money can find proof of God?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  $=Access to ANYTHING to find proof HE doesn't exist! But he's intelligent enough to KNOW "IT IS A SPIRITUAL JOURNEY" beyond "mere-man" or money!
  Now that's INTELLIGENCE!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  It gives resource to find that GOD does NOT exist but Gates doesn't bother! Why? Because he's INTELLIGENT enough to KNOW "THIS IS A "SPIRITUAL" JOURNEY" not as you "intelligent" unbelievers on HP!
  Again, "Something underlying?"
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing underlying at all. You're merely to lazy to find out the truth about the Bible. You base your entire belief on hearsay and not what we know as the truth. Fools rush in....
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you can't prove a non-existence. If you claim that it does exist then you are required to provide the proof. His belief has nothing to do with money and thus his having money makes his beliefs no more valuable than anyone else's.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I have my proof - U doubt! I BELIEVE so intensely until actions are manifested in MY life! Again, prove me wrong-Provide book or r u "2 lazy?"
  Oh but if he had "doubt," he would hire to "research!" But his "intelligence" tells him, ALL SPIRITUAL!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So how strong is your faith really, Norine? Some ancient gods required human sacrifices and their believers happily offered their children for the ritual because they BELIEVED in their god and his priests. Is your faith as strong as theirs?
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  There are plenty of intelligent and well-off atheists, too. As I said, you've concocted a non-argument because you're reaching for something. And you missed so now you're rambling about books again. Yawn.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No Atheist has as many resources ($) as Bill Gates to research if non-existence was an issue! lol You're busted!
  Man, u don't know Scripture or u would know we live under GRACE and MERCY & NO ONE has to "sacrifice"-CHRIST HAS DONE IT ALL (Heb)
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Your whole point appears to be that he has the resources but he's not even using them for that because he believes, so how on earth does it matter if no one is as rich IF HE'S NOT USING IT FOR THAT ANYWAY! You make literally no f'ing sense.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If Gates had doubt (as u) he has $ to find out if GOD does/doesn't exist but it's not a $ thg; it's a SPIRITUAL (FAITH) thg & he's INTELLIGENT enough to know this!
  Grow up (Spiritually)!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Lince, last year we had 3 months to find another job. I prayed and God asked if I would still trust Him even if I didn't get 1. We said yes. For a whole year God provided for me and my family miraculously in ways I couldn't even dream up.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're still suggesting that money can disprove God which is entirely untrue. If the basis of your argument is flawed then your entire argument is null.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Results "AFFIRMATIVE!" Now that a BELIEVERS' "PROOF!"
  GOD SAID "Ask ANYTHING in MY NAME & I WILL DO IT"
  RESULTS "AFFIRMATIVE!"
  There's our "PROOF!"
  Too bad they (unbelievers) don't BELIEVE that!
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  Lince Tomyposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hill,
  There's your proof and faith!!!!!
  Seriously God does his ways in such an intriguing ways!!!
  I.Hope God.blesses your.family!!!
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN!
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Virginia Allainposted 8 years ago
Wow, you've triggered a lot of responses with this question.

I say, that for some people, believing in Jesus means not needing to take action on their own behalf. After all, just pray and good things will happen. Why have to work and study, when whatever happens is God's will?

I guess it is handy to have some diety to blame things on when your life doesn't go the way you want. After all, God must have some plan for us and even if we think something was a disaster, maybe it was intended as a character-building exercise.

Nope, I don't need that kind of thinking. Thanks, anyway.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  When JESUS has given US "authority" to trample on snakes & scorpions (Lk 10:19) & told US "anything you ask in my name, I will do" (Jn 14:13), where's the problem? WORD tells you! UNBELIEF (Heb 13:9) in "rightly divided Word" (II Tim 2:15)!
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Only 2 people to blame for things going wrong in my life, me and the devil. A good parent will let a stubborn child learn by experience but be there to help in any way when the wheels come. That's the loving Heavenly Father.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Devil" No Problem - He's already been defeated (Rev) sooooo; WE ARE OUR PROBLEM in that we "DON'T "BELIEVE" WHAT "HE" HAS SAID IN HIS WORD" or haven't READ WORD to found out our entitlements!
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  Aldariposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So Blessed Hill did you mean to say when the wheels come off? And if so why does the :Heavenly Father" never help people when they need it?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I did Aldari. God responds to faith not need. When I acknowledge that I need His help, He will. That's faith. If He responded to need there wouldn't be poverty in the world. Poverty is man's fault, not God's.
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  Aldariposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  So how do you explain people who have unwavering faith that go to church, volunteer, are just amazing people. But they get a screwed in life?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  If you have unwavering faith expect to heaps of opposition, tests and trials. Why? Because God allows it so that we exercise our authority and dominion on the earth and establish His kingdom. We are called to battle, destined to Win!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Honestly, 'good' people get screwed because of their negative 'beliefs' surrounding the gargantuan inferiority complex the 'salvation' message (or other religious dogma) has been imposed upon them. It opposes truth messes with their spiritual balance
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That's contrary to what Jesus said in Matthew 5. We will have persecution in this life for His name sake. The devil is not going to just lay down and let us have what he has stolen. He will do his best to turn people against us to. Jesus said that to
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus didn't say anything in Matthew as the author of that particular book is unknown. It's hearsay at the very best, BH. Plus that particular gospel was written a lifetime after the supposed death of Jr.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You seriously need to research where the gospels came from. Hundreds of gospels were destroyed while 4 'approved' were saved - and assigned authors. Jesus & Paul's message was the same with the four gospels being pagan manipulations to unite Rome
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  For one, our faith is supposed to be in God. The reason you don't like the message of the Gospels is because you fear losing control. You have trust issues, so you find a no blame doctrine with no accountability. U blame God wth a victim mentality.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You're kidding, right? The 'victim mentality' within Christianity is the pagan deception that humans are born as 'unworthy sinners'. C's blame God and/or Satan for EVERYTHING - they see themselves as having no responsiblity for anything. Flip, much?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Christianity ur describing is not the one I'm living. I think ur describing religion. Jesus has restored me to my rightful place as a king and a priest. It's my responsibility to walk in that anointing. To rule over circumstances not people
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH, if you are a king and a priest then I am a god. As long as we're being ridiculous.......
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Religious peeps always say that, ha! Actually, if we are 'just like Jesus' (which we are) - we are all gods capable of doing everything he was capable of and more THRU our own 'christos' that is just like his. No pagan beliefs in him needed.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Now ur starting to get the idea Randy. U can't have your "own christos" apart from Christ.
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We could not exist without a 'christos' - it is our battery, our lifeforce. We could not BREATHE without it. It is part of our entire being - everyone's. Christians are denied that truth, putting them (and the world) out of balance. Chaos galore!
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Kingsley Iyokeposted 8 years ago
Nothing actually, but you have to truly love Him with all your heart
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yes but "LOVE HIM" means "keeping HIS commands" (Jn 14:15) which means "BELIEVING" (Heb 3:19) "rightly divided Word" (II Tim 2:15)!
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  Kingsley Iyokeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Yea you're right Norine
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Not *me* BUT WORD (GOD)!
  Love you!
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Leslie Lainposted 8 years ago
John 1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it."

Beloved, God sent his only son to be born as man (100% man 100% God), so that we could have everlasting life. While Jesus was flesh on earth, he was sinless because he had the Father within him and was also God. When he was crucified he took upon him every sin that man could fathom so that we don't have to perish in Hell, (yes a real place) but have eternal life...When he was raised from the dead and ascended into Heaven he left, as he promised he would, his 'helper', encourager, the Holy Spirit for all of us who have asked Jesus to dwell in our hearts. It is only through God's son you can have this eternal life, because of the ultimate sacrifice that was given. Abundant life here has little to do with the worldly riches but more to do with the riches of joy and love and faith in God in times of good and not so good and knowing that when you fall short your merciful Father is loving and forgiving when you ask for forgivenss. He is merciful and fair. The Holy Spirit is like a gentleman however and will not push and force its way in your life until you ask for it to guide you and reassure you in your daily or routine life. You will feel the beautiful presence of love and peace that the Holy Spirit can fill you with. Don't be boastful or full of pride or be mean spirited to each other. I am sorry that for those who have a bad opinion of Christians and of course there will always be a 'few' in whatever group, sect, organization or what have you that always seem to misrepresent the entire good of the group. Give God/Jesus/Holy Spirit a chance. God knew you, every part of you before you were ever conceived and loves you so much.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You misinterpret $ spoken of! Bill Gates is a BELIEVER! If he had DOUBT, he has enough $ to research "non-existence" but KNOWS-ALL SPIRITUAL is what's said!
  GOD is not "love" to unbelievers (Matt 23;Titus1:13;2:15;Lev19:17;Matt 16:23;ITim 4:2;5:20+
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ms_independentposted 8 years ago
One way of doing things will NEVER work for everyone on the earth. If you want to be Christian nobody is stopping you, but if you think everyone on earth should be Christian you should really keep that to yourself. I will continue to quietly practice witchcraft and talk to my ancestors, because Christianity has been nothing but traumatic for me (I was raised Roman Catholic).
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sooooo sorry! Look what RELIGION has done! MY GOD! We can't "keep it to ourselves" are we aren't disciples! Jn 14:15 "If u love me keep my commands!" Matt 28:19 "TEACH ALL nations!" We MUST! I pray for the entire world for RELIGION KILLS!
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God is African. African people are going to be loyal. The other races are commanded to love God and their neighbor. Those who upset the system will be recognized. Peter was called to lead the church after the "rapture", hence Catholicism.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  JESUS may have been born in the part of the world where they are dark skinned but GOD is a SPIRIT (Jn 4:23-24) so how can u say a SPIRIT is Black?
  I asked u to email me your belief has been persuaded!
  READ Gal 3:28!
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  That is right we CANNOT keep it to ourselves. Jesus said if we do, even the stones will cry out.
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rawaraufposted 8 years ago
In The Name of God
If I were to follow christian Teaching(not true cristians which has faded to the thin air from long ago), I will lose my way believing in Prophet Mohamed (Pbuh).
So why shouldn't I stick with my religion which promises me more than just abundant life and eternity in the afterlife , but rather Joy and happiness in this life too.
It has made me the happy and grateful about everything I have, and has made me love Jesus and Moses more than you actually do as I don't believe he is dead and am waiting for his descending.

This can't be argued till you hear about the life of our prophet and how is the other prophets are described in the Quran. (Abraham and Adam , Noah and David and Solomon , we love them all and believe none of them commited a sin).

I pray to God that I will be the first person welcoming Jesus when he finally descends, back and lead us to purify the earth from the enemy of God. (Spoilers: There will come two Messiah one will be the Blind man and the other is Jesus (Pbuh).

Jesus said (The Truth that is feared to say in the dark, will one day be said out loud in the open, a faith that is practiced in the corner of the houses will one day be practiced out on the top of the building.)

This was how Jesus guided his followers and that day finally came about 17-18 centuries ago. That was when Christian became the official religion of the roman empire, and just 14 century ago the last promised prophet was revealed to us all the story that happened long ago.

Thanks God for letting me the opportunity writing here.
Thanks for reading.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for sharing your faith Rawarauf.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: I wonder why you (if a Christ Follower) don't "CORRECT!" You said Thank u & let the soul believe in error! Why? Why do we "go along to get along" or appease each other? Don't u know their blood is on ur hands?
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I am going to tell you something, not to discourage your religion. The Olympics just ended. I am sure it was not all fun and joy for the athletes to attain greatness.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  My responsibility is to share God's love and grace with people. I refuse to do the Holy Spirits work.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Give Scripture stating BELIEVERS (Disciples of Christ) or to "share God's love and grace w/people."
  IF we love HIM (Jn 21:15-17) We "FEED HIS SHEEP" w/WORD!
  Who told u this?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Who are the sheep, believers or non-believers? What message are you sharing? The message of the cross is a message of love and grace because every person born of a woman deserved that death not Jesus. If that's in your face tough. Don't lke it tough
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Big deal that Jesus was crucified! He knew he'd simply be brought back to life by his dad. LOL! So what did JC sacrifice? According to you guys his dad can give him as many new lives as he wants.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I wonder if your dad said, "hey Randy, I really love all people, every single miserable one. I want to sacrifice you so that I can save them. Don't worry I will bring you back to life 3 days later, no worries." Bet you would jump at the opportunity
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Of course I would, BH! I could save everyone I loved and come back in a few days if god was my old man. Or are you saying JC didn't who his Pa was? Or what?
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  BH: Lk 5:32 "I came not to save the "righteous" (thk they r) but sinners (sheep) to repentance!" WORD @ ya!
  Righteous don't BELIEVE for they "thk" they're right! Tell TRUTH!
  Msg of cross love & grace to believers!
  Unblvr was "in ur face"w/no c
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  All religions R tainted with age & human manipulation. They all have truth within them. Islam sees Jesus as a prophet and are WELL-AWARE that 'trinity' is a pagan manipulation. But, they still overly-glorify him and misunderstand his human messag
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Sharp Pointsposted 8 years ago
How does one force themselves to believe something?
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  One cannot by themselves, one needs to have it forced on themselves by someone they trust. Most religion is inherited through one's family members, otherwise there wouldn't be any structured religions to speak of.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No one can! You have choice to accept or not after READING (Josh 24:15)! Only GOD can draw one to HIM (Jn 6:44)!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You don't even know who wrote the scripture you quote, Norine. Why should I place any weight on what some unknown goat herder wrote so long ago? And why do you worship a deity who molested and impregnated a 13 year old virgin who's already betrothed
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  HE had given "DOMINION" to man (Gen 1:26) & the cleanest woman (Holy) HE could find was Mary (Lk 1:28; HIGHLY FAVORED) to become one (man) who had been given DOMINION on earth!
  GOD'S WAYS R NOT YOUR WAYS & why u THINK I'm crazy!
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  As a christian, how do I force myself to believe in Buddha. I can't; but Buddha did not come to save me. Randy - the rocks would cry out.
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  Aime Fposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I always wonder how many Christians would be Muslims if they were born on the other side of the world and if they ever think about that.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IF salvation was for me no matter what part of the world I lived in; I would find HP & "hear" HIS WORD! lol
  Why do u think there are Muslims & other Religions on here @ this given time with my "obnoxious" self delivering TRUTH in HIS WORD?Ma
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, so as long a being is powerful enough they can molest another mans fiancée'? Or ask you to sacrifice your children just because the being wants you too? I'm sorry, I simply cannot worship a child molester like you do.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I can't worship the nothing u worship either! We all have a choice (Josh 24:15)! GOD doesn't twist anyone's arm to make them believe! HE allows them to make decisions & is why the world is in the shape it's in then blame GOD!
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  No Norine, you never had a choice I'll wager. You were introduced to your religion at a young age and have never bothered to examine the other possibilities. You're simply an example of what's wrong in this world. Blind faith is the tool of tyrants
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Tessa that's an uneducated juvenile assumption.
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  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  @Tess. many religionists have a schizoid fear of reality & life. They view the world as an evil, avoidable place to interact w/ when absolutely necessary. Many religionists can be classified as emotionally & intellectually...IMMATURE...
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  People need to seriously learn the difference between being religious and a believer of Jesus Christ. The question was not a religious one but all unbelievers want to talk about is religion.
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I understand the difference but then again I was a very devoted Christian. I later realized the faith I had was absurd. Rightly dividing the word ultimately fails because it isn't true. The proof is in God's failure to be perfect and omnipotent.
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Michael where did God fail? This is an honest question.
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  IDK is it okay to post a link? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_mi … ade_by_God
  
  And now I will wait for someone to blame it all on sin.
  
  There's a few answers just for starters.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Randy: Parents dead & I searched & found AFTER death! Rebelled when alive!
  Tess: We all "turn to something!" Either drugs (extreme), something in between or GOD(2Cor12:9)! Your choice?
  GM: Tell Gates!
  MM: No "discipleship" huh? RELIGION KIL
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  Angele Parrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God created the world- rested on the seventh day-satan tempted Eve- chosen people-these people needed to be saved- God cannot do it on the seventh day (His day of rest)-sent His son-son went to hell to see what hell is like-. Son called Paul-believe
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  How many religions did you search for until you found the right one, Norine?
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Michael, I will rephrase the question, where did God fail you? I would like to hear your answer.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't "search for a RELIGION," I "sought HIS (GOD aka THE SPIRIT) Face!" Man looks for GOD in all the wrong places! Not in books, not in man's interpretation of WORD, not in teachings, traditions, etc, but HIS SPIRIT!
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  MichaelMcNabbposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  B.H. there was / is no god to fail me. If that weren't true there would be thousands of answers to your question but since it is true there is only one.
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Norine, you still weren't clear on whether there were other Christians in your family or your parents beliefs either. Surely as a Christian you can answer my question truthfully, or will you?
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  rimbinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Aime in our country and also in Arab countries many of them are converted into christianity.Many are secretly worshipping Jesus.Jesus is also blessing us.In 1947 when british left our country,we are bankrupt. today we are 5th strongest nation
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frumpletonposted 8 years ago
You can lose your eternal life. I don't believe Jesus is the Messiah. I don't believe a "virgin" gave birth to the son of god. The only way a virgin can get pregnant is through artificial insemination and they probably never heard of that back then. So, you might be praying to a dead mortal man. I think it is safer to just pray to your Creator of all life and the universe. How can you go wrong there? And if it covers Jesus, all the better. But the bible was written 2 to 3 hundred years after Jesus. A rich man's tomb was where Jesus was put. Convenient, wasn't it, that the tomb was empty later? It was all political. The Romans embraced Christianity to control people. And they still do. Think of all the bloodshed during the crusades. Do you really think a loving Jesus would have approved? No.
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  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  People are religious based upon fear. They also want someone to take care of them. Personal adult responsibility is VERY DAUNTING to such people.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  What? Fear? lol My FAITH in JESUS healed me of 4th Stage Cancer! Fear what?
  Take care of them? 25yrs retired Federal Govt! Real Estate agent! Married to 100% disabled Vet who was barber! Your perception ERRS!
  What is "VERY DAUNTING" is "UNBELIEF!"
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  MovieMattposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Bible was written starting 2000 years before Christ, up to about 60 years after his birth. Where'd this 2-300 years after idea come from?
  You believe God created the universe, but you don't believe that he knew how to inseminate Mary?
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The problem with Christians is that they don't seem to be able to believe in a God or a Christ Consciousness (KoG within) without 'Jesus' in the mix - when that is exactly what he came to teach people in order to FREE them from pagan BS & bondage
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  MovieMattposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  More importantly, He came to pay the price of our sins, so that we can be cleansed, and live with him and our Father again.
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PaulGoodman67posted 8 years ago
By that logic (what have we got to lose), we should follow all the religions of the world, since they pretty much all offer their own set of rewards and punishments.

I don't have any religion and I'm happy with that.
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  Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  "...AND THEN THE END SHALL COME" (Matthew 24:14)!
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  Misfit Chickposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  The Kingdom is not in the sky,
  nor the sea...
  It is right here
  between you and me.
  
  God is more real than we realize - but we don't know it bcuz our 'beliefs' have been diverted from the truth of the reality of our existence - intentional or not
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  Randy Godwinposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Gods that rape 13 year old betrothed virgins should not be worshiped!
  (Moe 1:1)
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  We do not follow religions we follow God and God's will through our faith in Jesus.
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Alyzjah Kellamposted 8 years ago
I feel that the idea that Jesus presented to people makes them fear it or resent it in some way. The things they spoke of Jesus doing seems to be something that we in todays time could never even do, its perceived as impossible and that is false. The only thing that people have to lose is their sense of security, their since of attachment to the physical self and not the spiritual self. People have everything to lose in believing in Jesus Christ because to Jesus tried to teach you to trust in the soul, and for the ego that is something you commonly fear. Me personally I believe heavily in Jesus's teaching because he lived as A prime example of what it is that is among us all, our spirit. He didn't just tell us that we could achieve these things he showed us, believing in Jesus is freeing yourself from the mind and allowing the soul to be the only thing that you enact from and people just fear losing the sense of security that their mind has created for them.
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modernalchemystposted 8 years ago
"So what do you have to lose?" Hm, at least in the sect of Christianity I was raised in I was expected to lose my ability to think for myself, turn over my free will, offer my soul to a tribal war god my ancestors didn't worship, abandon responsibility for my own decisions, abandon my self-worth ("We're all sinners fallen from grace.") etc.. Then there's the fact that anyone who currently has a meaningful faith outside of Christianity is expected to lose their religion to satisfy the mainstream. I would be abandoning my personal relationships with the gods who have empowered me and helped me create the life I want rather than living as a victim and asking for cosmic handouts on my knees. That's a lot to lose in a bargain for someone to save you from a hell he's supposedly sending you to in the first place...
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  Rick Myresposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  You would lose your life without Jesus and gain eternal life in Jesus. If you accept Jesus you would still have your free will and ability to think for yourself. Because we are not robots.
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hostbuldumposted 8 years ago
thanks )) I lost my life. I lost my career. I nearly had a nervous breakdown. I got PTSD. It took me nearly 25 years to undo the damage that Christianity did to me. So, um, yes, I have a lot to lose. Never again.
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Aldariposted 8 years ago
The most important factor of all in life, TIME. It's easy to lose and impossible to gain. If God exists, sees all the good I have done and decides to let me into Heaven awesome(if he is as benevolent as people think I don't think he would be so demanding of people to subjugate themselves to him) if not, well I can help more people in Hell than I can in Heaven. And I am not slamming on religion in any way You asked the internet a question I'm here so I'll give *MY* answer.
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  Say Yes To Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Amen! Speaking of making the most of your time here on Earth, check out this video:
  https://youtu.be/M0xf2Hdxo6o
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dianetrotterposted 8 years ago
A relationship with Jesus Christ starts in the heart. It is after one realizes that Jesus loves us and wants us to spend eternity with Him. Not only does He want us to spend eternity with Him, He wants to walk with us every day and help us in every area of our lives. Faith is not rational because it requires that one believe "the substance of things hope for evidence of whicih is not seen."
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  Blessed Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  I agree Dianne, faith usually goes completely against our natural way of thinking and doing. It takes real courage to live a faith life because like you said it is not rational and the evidence of your faith is only after the fact. Time is the test
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jht1414posted 8 years ago
Your question begins with the assumption that the bible is true. All kinds of ridiculous/unjustifiable things in the old testament directly contrast with the concept of a loving God, such as telling the Israelites to kill every man woman and child in Jericho (for no apparent reason) or regularly striking people down for minor Jewish law violations (picking up sticks on a Sunday).

As for what I have to lose? My sense of free will. By subscribing to an organized religion's views, you surrender your individual experience to the views of people whom you've never met, and were almost certainly just as flawed as you are. Jesus Christ is quite literally the only redeeming part of the bible, but a belief in his divinity necessitates a belief in all kinds of ancient folklore that I simply can't accept as a rational person. I apologize if I've offended anyone, this is simply me answering this question as best I can.
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Terrie 1981posted 8 years ago
the problem is you have to do more then believe. I'm thinking you are a sunday Christian who goes to church and think they are great for just doing that? much like Candace Cameron Bure for one?
So, say I go to church every Sunday ( or whatever days these other religions hold it) and then go out and smoke and drink and do pot. Am I good to go just because I believe in Jesus Christ? I think not!
I need to so much more. Read scriptures. Pray. Help others when they need it. Allow me to help them when I need it.
First man has choice. Its not our Heavenly Father who shoved religion down your throat or said yod go to hell for believing this or that. That person will not be the one to judge you. No matter what you have done wrong on this Earth you can still make it right...
people just don't understand religion and are only given half truths.
Ever read the bible? Ever noticed the end of times and how our world is now and how its getting worse? How can anyone possibly deny anything? I just don't understand people. I really don't. Its right there in front of your faces and you deny it. much like a hamburger to a hungry man but he pretends to not see it.
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  God doesn't force Himself on anyone. That is a choice each person makes. I'm sorry if people are trying to shove Jesus Christ down your throat. His Word is not burdensome to those who love Him so there are no "have" to do's. It is all your choice
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  Terrie 1981posted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Diane. I love this answer. We have our agency to chose. People can't make choices for us. We choose to believe. We choose to be bitter because someone offended us.
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  dianetrotterposted 8 years agoin reply to this
  Praise God! Terrie, I look at the people who want to be combative about it and see that they are looking for answers. We should be ready in and out of season to testify of the hope that lies within us. The Holy Spirit works on the hearts.
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MovieMattposted 8 years ago
There is nothing to lose, only everything to gain.
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Indryasposted 8 years ago
yes it is true we belive in Jesus. He gives us everything .if we belive in Christ we have nothing to lose . this life is not everlasting life
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