Don't you think it's silly to debate about the existance of God?
It's called Faith people! You either have it or you don't. I'm sick of seeing all these questions and forums about proofing the existance of a Supreme Being. It's a waste of time and effort.
what you say is truth. It is "Faith" pure and simple. Fact is though some of us deem it necessary to defend our faith, as proof to God that we have it.
The funny thing about faith is it is simply an opinion belief, it has nothing to do with the matters of fact, evidence or proof...
The simple fact of the matter is, god's come in many flavors, from none to many, from pagan naturist to esoteric spiritualist...
Now when it comes to existence you either exist or not; but to exist is and experience, if you wish not to experience, don't exist...
What's silly in my mind is why people debate the obvious and never solve the issues in debate... The reason is, they never bear witness to the facts, the evidence nor the proof, they just complain about the obviousness of their opinion, the faith they have in their beliefs...
The fact that energy, nature and spirit is one thing is of a concern to existence itself so each one participates in existence as an inclusive selfless civil being of the whole, where as the converse is an exclusive, selfish and evil person who wishes to use the others as objects of deception, which is the sad commentary of one with little to offer for one's existence... The point being the wisdom of knowledge and understanding supersedes superstitions; but some relish superstitions and fear their dissolution...
The truth is there is no proof, it's that simple. There is faith and what you believe and don't believe but thats about it.
To debate the existence of God is pointless as He has already instinctly manifested to everyone the truth of who He is according to Romans 1:19-20. The question becomes: What do we choose to do with this manifested truth? Do we accept and believe it or do we deny and reject it. Regardless of our decision, the fact still remains that God has shown the truth of who He is to all.
Yes I think it's silly debating over religions, faith and the existence of god. It's another way to make money.
It may be silly to claim that you have the definitive answer to the question of God's existence. The discussion, however, can still be interesting, and it forces us all to examine and justify one of the core beliefs of our worldview along with our thoughts and feelings about death, morality, meaning, and a host of other issues.
I actually find your statement that you either have faith or you don't sillier than a debate about God's existence. Faith unexamined is blind faith, and blind faith has led people to do a massive number of stupid and/or evil things throughout history.
It's a theory just like, basically, the entire basis of science is theory.
I agree. Either you believe or you don't.
Waste of time? 99.9% of the time.
At the end of the day, Atheists cannot prove themselves right any more than they can prove their opposition wrong. So, what is left to be said? I think many of these discussion are just a desperate attempt to justify the atheist's position, so they can sleep at night. In a way, it comforts them.
Faith and belief are a personal matter, but why do the blind feel compelled to invite those who can see the truth to ignore their sense of vision and pretend that they haven't seen anything at all? Perhaps misery does love company.
Blaise Pascal's "Wager Argument" is correct:
If the atheist is right and God doesn't exist, then he gains nothing. But, if the atheist is wrong and God does exist, then he loses everthing, including his soul.
Conversely, if the Christian is wrong, and God doesn't exist, then he has lost nothing. But, if the Christian is right and God does indeed exist, then he has gained everything including eternal life.
Pascal then summed it up by stating that the prudent man will choose to believe in God's existence, if for no other reason than he has nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I think the topicof God leads to stimulating discussion most of the time. I think that most people want to know the truth about how we came into existence. I think that sometimes people's faith gets shaken for what ever reason and they just need to be reassured that there is a higher power. I think faith in some higher power can be inspired in non-believers as well.
I think that hope is a key faactor as well as faith.
I wish you well.
It's not a silly discussion to have at all. Faith is belief without evidence. If people of faith understood this, there'd be no problem. If people wouldn't present their faith based assertions as fact, there wouldn't be as many of these discussions. If people of faith would just practice their faith instead of judging others with it and trying to force it on others there'd be no need for debate. Unfortunately, this isn't the case and as long as it isn't, the root of their faith, a supreme being, is going to come into question hence all the forums and posts you see everywhere.
It is, unless you want to practice argumenting for it's own sake. As god chooses not to prove it's own existence and no one else seems to be able to as well*, it is mere theory or phantasy we are talking about. Others call it faith. Without a philosophical or theological background the discussion about god is nothing more than a mere discussion at a crackerbarrel. I dare to say that all of these discussions are not about god at all but rather about being right and proving to oneself and others that one has chosen the right path [what makes a lot of sense, as it'd be fatal to have wasted one's live to the wrong idea(l)s].
*Please note that the non-existence of anything whatsoever can never be proven, so it is usually the ones who declare the existence of sth that have to prove, if they decide to enter this level of discussion. So they better don't.
Debate has it's uses for exploring ideas and understanding concepts. Saying it's only a matter of faith seems rather silly to me. If you care about what is or is not true, then you should investigate and learn. If you mean to say it can't be known or shown to be reasonably likely, then there's little value in considering in the first place.
CJ Sledgehammer: You're misrepresenting atheists quite a bit and making some pretty big generalizations and conclusions about them. It sounds like you're more likely thinking specifically of anti-theists.
As for Pascals wager, it relies entirely on an arbitrarily defined false dichotomy. I don't have much interest in debating the issue, so I'll leave it at that.
Check out lornagreen.ca and read her essays. You may have some agreement with her and if not enjoy her work.
Maybe it is not silly and it may be productive if the person you are debating comes around to your side and accepts the fact that God is real.
I have been in such a debate in the Hub Forum just recently and the response to my answers to their comments usually started with the word "boloney."
It is important to spread the word of God, but some people are just too stubborn to listen. In that case you should shake the dust from your feet and move on to the next person.
by topgunjager8 years ago
Who can post the best argument about the existence or the non-existence of God and can support their answers using real logic? Don't use faith based logic when proving the existence of God.
by alexandriaruthk5 years ago
How can you use logic to justify the existence of God?Or it just boils down to faith?
by FootballNut2 years ago
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by Mahaveer Sanglikar9 months ago
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by Keith Schroeder5 years ago
How would you approach an atheist to talk about God?The goal is to help them find faith.
by Apostle Jack6 years ago
Atheist say that they can't prove that God do not exist,so.......that make them just as ignorant about the matter as those that they say can't prove that He does.That is a clear view of the Pot calling the kettle...
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