Atheist, why aren't you agnostic? Why are you - undoubtedly - sure that a god ca

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   Dustin Staplesposted 12 years ago

   Atheist, why aren't you agnostic? Why are you - undoubtedly - sure that a god can't exist?
   
   A vast majority of scientist don't give dualism credibility, sure, but it's also accepted that their theories only last until there're disproven. So, do your beliefs henge so much on fallible human logic, that you have to absolutely disagree with everything that contradicts it? Rather than accepting, that you might be wrong, everyone might be wrong? Instead of just being agnostic...  and please, I see the worth in putting useful knowledge to work and  un-encouraging harmful beliefs, but why the unquestionable certainty? why aren't you agnostic?

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   mintinfoposted 12 years ago

   The Dohgon know that there is no god because we know how the universe was created. Agnostics are either searching for god particles or continually theorizing about creation.

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Here is the forum i'm moving this too: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/102143
      sorry, my bad .

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   Josakposted 12 years ago

   Are you agnostic about the existence of unicorns? most people will say unicorns don't exist and I feel the same way about god, being that he has even less chance of existing than unicorns. I am not saying I KNOW there is no god but that I presume there is not one until evidence contradicts this. The problem with being an agnostic is it lends credence to the ridiculous belief in gods and brings one across as merely unsure or like one is considering it, which I am not.

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   Lisa Luvposted 12 years ago

   Why can’t of GOD been the creator of creation?  The creator of the universe?  GOD is a pretty good scientist I think. Who is to say he didn’t create the big bang?
   
   The later message I was writing for an answer to an anti Christian group question.
   It starts off pertaining to questioning me on how I heard GOD’s VOICE and they were wondering if it could be recorded for them also to hear it?  So I thought I would share this answer because I think some of it pertains to some of the statements here.
   
   
   LOL--- When God speaks to you...It is an inner voice you hear.
   Although he does speak to us in many ways.
   Sometimes the WORD comes from a special person that enters your life, or several through out your life as you are prayerful for the answers to the truth.
   (ooops just realized I am not using a spell checker again--lol)
   Some things are not just coincidences but really the HOLY SPIRIT bringing things into your life.  It might even be now while talking to me?
   Sometimes you can just be very prayerful for answers and open the bible in prayer to the randomness of your finger touch and there might be your answers right in front of you as the Holy Spirit guides you. 
   Wish truly I could record these miracle blessings for you. However again it narrows down to faith.  Yet when it happens to you finally and you listen with a pure loving prayerful heart trust me you will hear.

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      Lisa Luvposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Now feeling the HOLY SPIRIT come into you is another sometimes physical thing.  Once you understand what you are feeling being touched by the HOLY SPIRIT you will most likely want to feel that affirmation all the time!  But alas for me anyway it does

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      An AYMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That wasn't any sort of argument, or point being made.  That was just one giant self-affirming pat on the back which isn't applicable to the perspectives of others.

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      Lisa Luvposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Actually the site would not allow me to put my whole writing in..I will see if I can sneak a continuance of the writing in. And its not a pat on the back, it is actual.
      Once you understand what you are feeling being touched by the HOLY SPIRIT you wil

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      *sigh*

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      An AYMposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The point remains though, talking about your individual experiences can't work in the context of fact because I can never step inside your mind.  I think the world would be a better place if we could though.

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      Dantex460posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Seek help

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   An AYMposted 12 years ago

   Because history shows plenty of cultures' gods waxing and waning with the variable success of their associated society.  Much in the sense of how the Greek and Roman gods once taken as truth are now little more than fun talking points, and the plots for videogames and movies.
   And what Josak said about the Unicorns, I liked that.

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      Lisa Luvposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Such a shame....

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Tens of thousands of dead and forgotten gods and the followers of all of them were just as sure that theirs was the real one as our current religious people.
      The shame is you cant think logically my dear. Your invisible sky friend is the real one?

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      Lisa Luvposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      YES

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      Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Of course he is.

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Yes but why no room for considerations? I meant to post this as a forum, so please repost this comment there, you and Josak are the only people who have actually commented so far, so im just going to delete this one.

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   Dantex460posted 12 years ago

   Agnostic would imply there is a chance of this, which I guess can be true but that's likes saying there are floating magical dragons that grants wishes, it is pretty damn obvious there isn't so it's like rounding up the 99.9999% sure it is not real to 100% sure it is not. For anyone to suggest one of the thousands of crazy religions is real with absolutely no proof really needs to open there mind to reality and grow up.

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      In this case, you rounding up that .0001% is unnecessary ignorance to said .0001%, and I don't see the big deal in not ignoring it.

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      Dantex460posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No one but robots will ever talk in the pure logic you like.

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      ignorance is blissful, but its casualties are real.

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      Dantex460posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You are ignorant for saying ignorance is blissful.

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Now that just doesn't make sense. You admitted to being ignorant, I merely reinserted that in light of a mindful saying. If you would like to understand the casualties I mentioned you should read the convo between Paul and I at the bottom: http://hub

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      Dantex460posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Everyone may or may not be ignorant for everything they do or say, while I am technically an agnostic I prefer to be called atheist as it makes a stronger statement and makes a limit of not having to deal with any outlandish thing in peoples minds.

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly, but if you cut yourself off from the outlandish in such a way, it's counterproductive to a stance of spreading rational. This is assuming you would like to see more people think rationally, through your own actions.

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      Dantex460posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It's only counter productive if I was trying to teach a philosophy, I doubt I could rationalise everyone or even want to. I feel religion doesn't deserve my thought as it is and it's better used trying to help. This question is very interesting.

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   M. T. Dremerposted 12 years ago

   Science has plenty of variables, and theories that stood the test of time, could be disproved tomorrow. Science admits this and seeks to better itself with more knowledge and more understanding. Religion is the opposite. It claims to know all the answers based on information that is hundreds, or thousands of years old, information that has no physical evidence from which to measure it. The only time religion adapts is begrudgingly after being forced into a corner. As an atheist, I see religion as a stepping stone in our understanding as humans. We didn't know what the sun was, so it made perfect sense to blame it on god. Now that we know better, we no longer need our training wheels. However, religion persists because it's an easy answer that doesn't require people to think too hard about life and the universe and because it's useful for coping with death. So, when you ask how someone can be certain of god's non existence, it isn't just because there is no evidence to prove him, it's because there is SO MUCH evidence to disprove him. One can attribute all the good things in their life to god, or all their good relationships, but that doesn't make him any more real. It just means you've decided to give credit to a fictional being. I could say that the voice in my head is the flying spaghetti monster, or I could just say it's my voice. Which one makes more sense?

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      Dustin Staplesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You should reposts this here, I was waiting for one other hubber here, but im just going to delete it after you move to this now: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/102143
      
      This is all true, but i'm not asking why you aren't theist.

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